So notch is an assh*le......
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I don't see anyone saying that they're equally at fault as the fans..Venatius said:
However, if you are a person with considerable influence and public exposure it seems a fairly natural response to demand that you exercise that influence responsibly. Deliberately trying to incite ill-feeling towards someone else is something you can be held responsible for, which is why you need to be very careful when doing it.
Whatever might have actually happened at the event and whoever is actually 'right' in this dispute, posting random bile on Twitter demonstrates a complete lack of tact which, if it results in verifiable negative consequences for the 'target' deemed to be unjustifiable by the circumstances, could theoretically see a libel conviction. Since the attacks by fans are clearly triggered by the accusations, they could easily form part of a libel case.
Also, if any of you ever has the good fortune to be in a similar position and you don't want it to be widely assumed that you are a muckspreading piece of shit (or worse taken to court for libel) then give your sources, if not by name then at least by reference. Some twitter feeds have a higher readership than magazines or newspapers, the same rules which would apply to a magazine or newspaper can be applied to you.
That said, if Robert Altman posted random drunken shit on twitter about people he worked with, his own shareholders and board would likely force him to resign.GrandmaFunk said:
It cuts both ways.
Yeh because thats why notch apologised, because they're lying. Also a little quick sorry on twitter shouldn't be enough, what he did was outrageousmjc0961 said:
They're polite and genuinely nice in there videos, and notch wouldn't apologise is they lied. *facepalm*major_chaos said:
He's rolling in cash, its a nice thing to do but that still doesn't change the fact that he's an arrogant prickash-brewster said:
Fine, his public persona paints him as an arrogant prick. A charitable one thoughash-brewster said:
Incidentally, $10,000 isn't a lot of money in these contexts.
I personally know people who give that amount to charity annually or on a regular basis, and who don't rush out to tell you about it. Some of them are still pricks, or socially inept, in other areas of their lives.
It's not a relevant factor.
I personally know people who give that amount to charity annually or on a regular basis, and who don't rush out to tell you about it. Some of them are still pricks, or socially inept, in other areas of their lives.
It's not a relevant factor.
Meh, I know quite a few hold out Notch as a minor deity and incapable of doing bad, but not being a minecraft fan he's always given me the chills a bit:
That time when he challenged beth to a game of his favorite pc game. Seemed to me such an obvious populist move to draw the sympathy of gamers, and boy did it work. Personally that left me cold (if this is how we start resolving arguments then next thing you know there will be an entire industry of merc gamers to be hired by game companies to settle their disputes).
So notch lost points with me on this one.
And now I just feel he was wrong to publicly name and shame them on his twitter without consulting the other party first. His fans were all too keen to enact revenge based on his word alone and with such rabit fans, notch needs to be more responsible but evidently doesnt give a fuck.
Im growing to dislike notch, and again, i havent even played his game.
Also donating large sums meaning resulting in an automatic increase in karma... Yeh it's easier to do that when you're floating in cash, all ya need to do is sign a signature and it wont even eat into your profits too much and get you good publicity. Not that the act itself isn't admirable or unwelcome, but to my eyes you're attaching far too much saintly meaning to it.
Irl i donate 20 quid a month to various good causes and spent 1 year working at a soup kitchen for the homeless (stopped cos i dont have the time anymore, need to focus on uni now that im in my 3rd year). You all gonna tell me these actions are less worthy cos i donated less money?
That time when he challenged beth to a game of his favorite pc game. Seemed to me such an obvious populist move to draw the sympathy of gamers, and boy did it work. Personally that left me cold (if this is how we start resolving arguments then next thing you know there will be an entire industry of merc gamers to be hired by game companies to settle their disputes).
So notch lost points with me on this one.
And now I just feel he was wrong to publicly name and shame them on his twitter without consulting the other party first. His fans were all too keen to enact revenge based on his word alone and with such rabit fans, notch needs to be more responsible but evidently doesnt give a fuck.
Im growing to dislike notch, and again, i havent even played his game.
Also donating large sums meaning resulting in an automatic increase in karma... Yeh it's easier to do that when you're floating in cash, all ya need to do is sign a signature and it wont even eat into your profits too much and get you good publicity. Not that the act itself isn't admirable or unwelcome, but to my eyes you're attaching far too much saintly meaning to it.
Irl i donate 20 quid a month to various good causes and spent 1 year working at a soup kitchen for the homeless (stopped cos i dont have the time anymore, need to focus on uni now that im in my 3rd year). You all gonna tell me these actions are less worthy cos i donated less money?
Are you mad at them because they didnt like Space Marine? Seriously? I own that game, it's FAR from perfect and people are entitled to their own opinion.kouriichi said:
The payment thing, this was a 'for profit' convention. They were the main guests, and did not ask to be paid for their services, all they wanted was some assistance with accomodation.
So effectively they flew 10 people from the UK to Las Vegas AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE in order to be guests at a convention the profits of which were going to someone else.
Yet you're bitching about them for asking with assistance paying for rooms.
Notch has absolutely no professionalism, releasing a statement like that based on hearsay and yet refusing to apologise for what he said is not just rude but damaging to the other party involved.
Er... I thought we did, but I just never read them. I don't know.J03bot said:
By the way, completely changing the topic, do you want a copy of Magicka? I have a few spare keys from that sale Valve gave us a few days ago and you don't seem to have it.
This.anthony87 said:
OT: Since this will always be a case of he said she said we can't really judge if the events in question did happen, although it is increasingly clear that Notch got all of his information about said dickishness from other people rather than from first hand experience. (i.e. He never saw Yogscast acting like dicks himself.)
The one part of the situation we can judge is how the groups responed to it and all I can say personally is Notch acted in a very unprofessional manner. Making very serious acusation about somones character in a medium like twitter was very misjudged and ment he was vague about the events. Also I really don't see why he had to bring this out in pubilc when he could have just talked to YC in person about.
I really feel that notch was immature, although I'm not saying that the Yogscast aren't occasionally as well.
This is very similar to the whole Bethesda thing and once again notch seems to have just posted his side of the argument on twitter without even consulting the people he was angry with. I think that notch seems like quite a nice guy most of the time, charity donations etc, but I feel very disappointed in his behavior as of late.
I'm sure it was just caused by stress/tiredness/alcohol/misunderstandings and I hope that this doesn't affect them working together in the future
This is very similar to the whole Bethesda thing and once again notch seems to have just posted his side of the argument on twitter without even consulting the people he was angry with. I think that notch seems like quite a nice guy most of the time, charity donations etc, but I feel very disappointed in his behavior as of late.
I'm sure it was just caused by stress/tiredness/alcohol/misunderstandings and I hope that this doesn't affect them working together in the future
Sure, if you're offering, that'd be great. Thanks! I love how off-topic every one of our quoting sessions ends!Tharwen said: