Ya know I throw the GLADD thing in there just because I don't happen to like GLADD. I take a potshot at them when I can. They also hate Bret Easton Ellis rather hypocritically. Same way I feel about feminist movement really. Ironic considering I don't disagree with the idea they represent, but well I'm kind of a dick like that.Zachary Amaranth said:And a financial backer. And has threatened to rise up against the government. And probably a few other things. Dude's put a lot of ash, time and effort into harming people.SaneAmongInsane said:Yeah so.... I read the wiki on him and it basically accounts to that he's religious and doesn't agree with gay marriage. About the worst of it was that he was a board member on some lobbyist group for defending marriage or some shit like that...
Now, you can bring up GLAAD, but I really would like to see where they've pushed for legislation. I don't support what they allegedly did, but come on, dude. Talk about your freaking false equivalence.
"They bullied a filmmaker!"
And Card has not only bullied an entire group of people, but attempted to legislate it, too. I mean, that's totally the same thing, though.
It's interesting, though, that you took the same tack as Card, who has claimed boycotting him is every bit as bad as attempting to pass legislation harming a group of people he doesn't like.
I mean, seriously, it's fine if you don't care that he wants to outlaw people for being what they are, but when you bring up GLAAD, you're veering into apologetics.
We're also supposed to provide equality for all citizens. I mean, this guy is against the Constitution, which kind of makes the whole "that's what we're supposed to do" thing seem bloody stupid, but hey. I'd also oppose people demanding violent revolution against fundamentalists in magic underwear, for the record, even if the LDS is a caustic organisation.SaneAmongInsane said:I mean we are suppose to overthrow the government if it gets out of line but most people are lazy sheep and wouldn't bother even if it was putting people into ovens.
And you know what else is part of the whole 'Murrican thing? Self determination. If he wants to persecute people like me, I have every right to not want my money going to him. Not that I am doing that. To boycott him, I'd have to be interested in his works. I thought his books were a bit shit and have no interest in the movie. But if he can say "fuck you gays," we can say "fuck you back."
Because 'MURRICA!
But to recap a point I think needs to be made clearer:
Orson Scott Card is one of the shitstains on the head of the group that has made marriage illegal in several states.
Card was a driving force between prop 8 in California, as well as propositions in like two dozen other states to the same end. He, as one of the movers behind NOM, has pushed to outlaw a "lifestyle" of which he personally doesn't like.
Can't wait to see what horrible legislation GLAAD is behind.
But like, yeah I get it. Dude's an Anti-Gay lobbyist. Maybe this is the thing that has me holding the bridge of my nose between my thumb and pointerfinger fighting off the impending headache.
So the Anti-Gay lobbyist is bad just because he's anti-gay... not the fact he is in fact a lobbyist in general. You know lobbying, that thing that is essentially bribery by another name ensuring that our politicians vote according to special interests instead of the people? I mean, yeah I'm spliting hairs here. I suppose it is pretty bad to want to line the pockets of a person who will actively politically campaign against one's lifestyle.
However you bring up Prop 8, and no. I'm sorry buddy, Card may of brought that one to the dance but it only passed by Californian vote. That's on California not Card.