So, Pirates are Playing Diablo 3
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You know it's funny, you throw out "pay 2 win" in the case of diablo 3 like it's a prime example of "he who has the credit card conquers the game." But the availability of using the auction house to buy gear using ONLY in game currency kinda debunks that. It's a grey area of sorts. Yes, I used the AH to buy a better sword. I also didn't spend a dime besides what I paid for the game initially. Get drops, sell drops for gold, use said gold to buy better gear for yourself. It's a pretty standard setup for just about any MMO out there.Kahunaburger said:
I know Diablo's not supposed to be an MMO but hey... never said it was perfect.
Eh, all that's happen is you'll start playing on the pirate servers, just you do for most online-capable games from dead companiesGiglameshSoulEater said:
They were developing it secretly in house for a number of years either before or after WoW came out, then somewhere along the way they shit-canned the whole project and started from scratch. That was maybe 4 or 5 years ago, but in "total" they've been developing it for much longer. Not 12 years mind you but much longer than 4 years. People just assume it's been in development for 12 years since D2 was released that long ago. The reality is that WoW's initial release sucked up most if not all of their resources and it wasn't until it resulted in swimming pools of money that they could focus on D3 in earnest.TheKasp said:
Honestly wish I could say where I read that, it was either here or on the D3 website some months ago.
OT: Hmm, true or not I've no doubt they'll get around to circumventing the system eventually. Good thing I'm not a Diablo fan or I'd be really pissed right now.
Really? How so then?evilneko said:
people keep saying this, and yet have no idea what they are talking about. There is no way to do it. Having an offline mode, means all the data, (Including items) has to be stored on the customer computer. If the data is already on your computer, it is trivial to take the data, decrypt it, and duplicate it. This is exactly what happened in D2, and this is exactly what they aim to prevent in D3.
If you have a solution to somehow solve this dilemma, please, by all means, reveal it.
So, according to various people here, and various external sources, D3 operates much like an MMO. Level generation, item and mob placement, loot drops, all are calculated server-side. There's no reason multiplayer couldn't operate like that, while at the same time having the code available to do it locally for single player. Sure, hackers could reverse-engineer the data, figure out how to insert arbitrary items if they want, but big deal--it's single player.Darkmantle said:
Online, everything can be handled by the server. The server tells the client what items are in its inventory, equipped, dropped by mobs, everything. If the client tries to tell the server otherwise, the server can just reject it. They could go one further, and not only reject the data, but the client itself could be booted. That could get annoying if something started causing false positives though.
I really don't see how the graphics are so shit, or why they need to be the main focus of the game, I am very happy with the graphics in D3 and I really don't see why they would need to be UBER STYLES BEST GRAPHICS EVAR!!!! like that is the only thing that matters ;/. The game was never trying to break any records with the graphics, blizzard has never been about making crazy graphics, but they have always consistantly made amazing cut scenes and diablo3s are no exception.NortherWolf said:
The game play is actually really good and everything I expected from a diablo game, fun addicting and so intense in hardcore.
The voice work i havn't had a problem with, in some parts it is quite funny but I'm not really paying that much attention to it so far, I don't think it was ever meant to be the main focus of the game, same with the story.
However I enjoy the lore of the diablo series, and the setting of the game, its a lot of fun for me.
You know unlike other games that get released and that is basically the finished product apart from extra paid for DLC or expansions, where bugs are not really fixed, no patching is done, blah blah blah. I know blizzard will be patching this game, adding new features into the online system, providing great customer support, fixing any balance issues, any errors an bugs that come up. They will provide an excellent service for the game for a long time (Judging by their other titles, there were still patches applied to bw even 10 years after its release). The price is justified by the ongoing service they provide in upkeeping their game. That and the fact that the replay of this game is very high, I know I will enjoy it for a very long time, for me it is definately worth the price.
Blizzard is a good and solid company, they might not always get everything right but they consistantly make very good games and don't drop their standards.
The always online is not that much of a bad thing, it doesn't just prevent piracy(or at least delay it), it also prevents the game from being full of hacks and bots and duped items and all this other trash that can really make the multiplayer experience less, for me that is worth it.
I like the system they have made for the game to run this way aswell, it is so easy to join your friends games, or play alone if you want, I understand there are some issues with lag atm but I am confident Blizzard will make this not so much of a problem. They do actually address and fix issues their customers raise.
I am enjoying the gold auction house, I don't really care about the real money one, and I firmly believe it is not going to have any effect on the game for anybody except the people that use it. People can't buy hacked items, they have to drop in the game, the people who do buy these items have to play enouph to be at the right level to use them, and if you are really finding such a huge problem with it just play hardcore, the game is way more fun in hardcore anyway.
Yes they have appealed to a wider audience with d3, you can play more casual if you want in soft core, or you can play more intensly with hard core.
It was just annoying to have it happen on a weekend of all things...Haakong said:Dont really mind em tbh. Ofc, wont be a blizz fanboy and deny it being total incompetence from their side (they knew it was going to be popular, and its not like they lack moneylapan said:), but after a few reality checks it doesnt matter. Got so much other things to get done, so a days break just gives me time to wrap those things up.
Things like this just dont get to me, at all. Guess Im just not an angry person.
Sure, you don't have to use the P2W mechanics. But they are certainly there for those who want them.Aeonknight said:
When did I say there was no point? I said that no matter how much you separate them people will still hack online so offering single player separate is not going to change if people hack online or not. Also, there are tons of hackers in cod games, play about an hour of CoD 4 and you'll find a hacked lobby on live.Grey Day for Elcia said:
No, P2W as 90% of the internet uses it covers games where paying money gives you a gameplay advantage at all, not just games where paying money is the only way to get a certain gameplay advantage. But that's just semantics. Regardless of what we call it, the RMAH is part of a pretty messed up trend in game development. Edmund Mcmillen has a lot to say about this sort of design - he's specifically talking about mobile games, but his comments can be generalized to games like Diablo 3 as well.Draech said:
Diablo has always been a P2W system. Blizzard just wants a hand in the money that is switching hands via its product.Kahunaburger said:
How so?Draech said:
Grindy games that establish a reward mechanic, then allow players to pay money for rewards? Sounds pretty relevant to me.Draech said:
Draech said:
The solution would be to design the game such that P2W isn't an issue in the first place, not to make it a core pillar of gameplay (to the extent that they remove core features like modding and an offline mode).Kingpopadopalus said:
Separate online and offline characters. Still play online single player as you currently can where those can later be played with others and use RMAH but an offline mode as well for people who just want to play single player and not care for the online components, completely shut off from it making it still safe.Darkmantle said:
Immensely simple solution.
~If you truly believe that you are being incredibly naive. It's partly to promote the auction house, partly DLC. It doesn't stop hacking. WoW gets hacked and they are using the same system here. ~Not to mention, how does forcing you to be online stop hscks and cheating? If im playing offline, who cares?Baldr said:
I simply refuse to buy Diablo III until either the always on is removed or the server issues are fixed and an Australian server is setup (no I will not connect to a US server and lag just to play a SP game).
For a company that has the most popular MMO on earth and years of experience in MMO games not to mention popular games in general, its pathetic and disgraceful that the login issues are happening. If they want always on DRM, then they HAVE to make it work all the time, or else us gamers need to tell them to get stuffed.
For a company that has the most popular MMO on earth and years of experience in MMO games not to mention popular games in general, its pathetic and disgraceful that the login issues are happening. If they want always on DRM, then they HAVE to make it work all the time, or else us gamers need to tell them to get stuffed.
You should go ahead and watch the Jimquisition. Right now. Even if you hate Jim with every fiber of your being like me. Watch it and post this argument in the video's thread.TomLikesGuitar said:
Gogogogo.
Yeah, you could make a very good case that this kind of grindy RPG slot-machine is inherently going to be poorly balanced. I mean, you have items that are inherently better than other items and mechanics that significantly limit the access to those items. If you wanted to eliminate P2W, you'd probably need to eliminate scarcity or eliminate progression based on finding better items. Blizzard, of course, would rather make hilarious amounts of money than make a balanced game.Draech said:
Wrong.Grey Day for Elcia said:
While you are right in that this has something to do with money (Of course it does, since it's Activision-Blizzard now with Captain Kotick on bridge), you are wrong in that it doesn't have anything to do with cheats and hacks.
You see, even if they separate the offline and online components in the game, the offline-components will still have to reside on the players computer for there to be an offline-mode. Hackers can therefore use the information about how the game is run locally to create hacks that also work online. This is partially why Diablo 2 was so hack-infested. It had seperate online and offline-modes like by your suggestions, but since hackers had access to the offline mode, they could easily use that knowledge to craft hacks.
Unless Blizzard made some easily exploitable mistakes, the difficulty of creating a hack without access to the offline mode is increased massively.