Sony Admits Private PSN Info Has Been Stolen - All Of It

[EchetusXe]

Let's see the timeline

1st: Sony sues Geohotz and everyone goes against Sony
2nd: Anon attacks Sony and everyone goes against Anon
3rd: Geo drops out and Anon tries one last ditch effort to feel like they mean something in this fight no one likes anyone
4th: PSN goes down everyone hates Sony and Anon
5th PSN stays down and Anons all like "we did nothing bro!" everyone hates Sony
6th: everyone get's their stuff stolen off of PSN and we go back to everyone hates both sides in the fight

point is if we can put music on a compact disc....

It is a bloody song and dance and quite frankly Sony is good at it. All it takes is one specially worded excerpt of vauge words and hidden potentials to make everyone jump off the deep end and start blaming Anon. When are they gona admit that the data was "capable" of being stolen but was not downloaded. Never, that would make their case look weak. They have to paint Anon as "malicious hackers" and they did it well without saying a word. Well done sony, And well done mindless masses who believe them.

Come on, Sony cares about keeping out hackers/jailbreakers/whatever, hell they designed their own system on the premise that it was beyond the realms of imagination that anyone who didn't work for Sony could access the Network. But you seem to be saying that Sony have made themselves look even more incompetent than they actually are to spite some unknown entity (cutting off their nose to spite their face).

I am willing to believe that someone is sitting on a bank of personal data with no idea what to do about it. I would even go so far as to say that probably no one will have their identities stolen or their money stolen. But I am not willing to believe that Sony are playing this game on a level higher than Anonymous, the hacker and the 'masses'.

More likely is this 'outside company' they hired told them "Even though the chances of your customers being at risk are slim, even though it looks bad, you still have to warn them of the risk because it is the law". Then Sony procrastinated, paid its own lawyers $500,000 to look into it, and finally made this update.

 

[MattAn24]

so that letter that sony posted has me confused. is it only sony america's psn that got compromised, or was the worldwide psn compromised? because im in new zealand and from what i understand, its not sony america that has my data, its sony europe

Don't follow PlayStationEU on Twitter? Or read the PSN EU blog? It's a global issue. PSN was down worldwide.

 

[Tony2077]

nice save feature of Firefox so i know what my password is so i just have to change it when its alive again

 

[Sniper Team 4]

Any chance that, between everyone who is upset about this, that we can track down the ass holes who did this and beat them to death? I'm sure they won't be able to keep their mouths shut. Everyone keep you eyes and ears open, and when we find these people, they die. Plain and simple.

 

[MysticToast]

I find it funny that people are blaming Sony for having bad security when they most likely have NO IDEA what the security was actually like and how hard it was for the hackers.

 

[Theseus32]

Um, yeah.... that's great and all, but Anonymous is still just a group of hipsters glomming onto an internet subculture. Chances are, anyone being serious isn't going to care to be a part of it or care to attach themselves to it as part of their criminal activities.

Not really, no. I'm anon and I'm an insurance broker. I'm a suit. A stuffed shirt. About as far from being a hipster as humanly possible. The other anons I know of are as radically diverse a group as can be imagined. But they're not the ones who draw attention. This is not an accident. Mark my words, there are plenty of "real" hackers within anon. But having an obvious media presence of hyperactive teen suicide skiddies makes for wonderful cover when you're really planning something. Are the things done criminal? Occasionally. (I of course have NOTHING to do with any malfeasance... As far as you know.) But any investigations into such are hobbled by having to separate out those with real skill from those just being loud and obnoxious. It turns any criminal investigation into a game of where's waldo.

The point being, there's more going on within anon than even most anons are aware of. So was this an Anonymous hack? Dunno. It has the skill, but lacks the style, so far. It remains to be seen what will be done with the data.

Also, FYI, my info was on there too, so I'm in the same boat all of you are. I'm unconcerned though.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

DAAAAAAAMNNNN.

I think anybody who thought this was the work of any hacker or anon is clearly wrong now.

Anonymous would have no reason to do this, they aren't stupid, they know that this is a HUGE Privacy violation, and is the exact opposite of what they want to accomplish.

To add, the general opinon on 4chan is "holy crap, who the hell did this"?

 

[Pyrokinesis]

Anon isnt out for your bank account, Anon isnt out for your doorstep, This anon is out for sony. Sony is trying to turn you against him by misleading you by saying things were "compromised" or "may have been stolen". It dosent take 6 days to figure out data was downloaded, it takes 6 days to make it LOOK like the same person may have had the potential too.

Sorry, but some unknown guy playing Batman possessing all that info does not make one feel calm. That he MAY not use it doesn't mean he won't use it, you said it yourself, it's all about may and may not, but the thing is there is no reason whatsoever to think one or the other scenario can be completely ruled out. It's still the simple fact that a person or group who you never authorized to have your info has it now without you having a single say in it, even if they just print it out, delete it and use it as toilet paper it will still make a huge amount of people in here be outright paranoid for a long time.

Let me iron out the kinks.

I said that sony released a report with "maybes" and "potentials", I told you that it dosent take 6 days for something that simple to be confirmed or denied. What im saying is this is a spin, a mock up, a farse, a misleading statement to get people to side with them out of fear. I can understand being cautious but that dosent mean you cross the street everytime a black man walks towards you on the sidewalk. Caution and paranoia are two different birds here. Caution is changing your account or credit card. Paranoia is claiming that nothing is safe anymore and only paying cash for the rest of your life.

So basically what im saying here is that sony is trying to mislead people out of fear, and its working. People are foaming at the mouth here and pointing fingers just because of a vague statement from sony instead of just being cautious and moving on. And quite frankly thats exactly what sony wants. Angry, foaming at the mouth, people to try and rat-out whoever did this.

 

[SomethingUnrelated]

Fuck. I barely even use my PS3, but I hold two accounts on PSN, meaning I'm at risk.

Still, I'm utterly skint at the moment, so any plans they have for my credit card will meet a dead-end, at least for me.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

Have you not heard of this new fangled thing called identity theft? Having access to your name, address, and credit card information kinda makes it really easy...

Fraudulent spending should be the least of your worries in comparison. Fighting identity theft can take several years, and obviously you'll lose money in the process regardless. This is a big deal for PSN users. A very big deal indeed.

Fraudulent spending is the beginning, middle, and end of my worries. What are they gonna do, use my name to apply for Canadian citizenship? Name, address, and credit card info is pretty easily obtainable already. They don't have my SSN, but that wouldn't be that hard to get either. And you know what they do with your SSN? Sell it. To who and why? So illegal immigrants / convicts can get jobs.

Big deal, I still say. Identity theft costs money if you pay for someone to "protect" you from it. Credit card fraud is the credit card company's problem. That's what makes them so convenient. Now if you had your debit card linked to your PSN (can you even do that?), you'd be f-d in the A.

 

[skorpion352]

so that letter that sony posted has me confused. is it only sony america's psn that got compromised, or was the worldwide psn compromised? because im in new zealand and from what i understand, its not sony america that has my data, its sony europe

Don't follow PlayStationEU on Twitter? Or read the PSN EU blog? It's a global issue. PSN was down worldwide.

i know its down worldwide. im saying the letter has me confused as to whether information stored by scee was compromised

EDIT: and no, i didnt follow playstationeu on twitter, i do now though.

 

[Ogargd]

This may be a low blow but the PS3 sucks anyway =D

 

[Juventus]

for all the idiots who say it's Sony's fault for getting hacked, do you think women also deserve to be raped because they dress sexy?

think how stupid you sound....

 

[Redd the Sock]

First rule to network security: if data may have been compromised, tell people ASAP, not a week later. If credit card info was stolen, either the individuals or the banks have good legal reason to sue. More importanly, have the cops been called in on this? They say they didn't get the security code, but I'm still uneasy here. I'd like to know the chances of catching this a-hole before I call the bank. (they're closed by now.)

Sorry for the inconvienence indeed.

I'm sorry to give Sony crap here, but trying to hide the network failure they didn't understand to save face was one thing. This borders on irresponsible and incompetant. Yes, the hacker is principly to blame, but Sony's been ill prepared, not to prevent the problem, to to deal with it after the fact. What are they: FEMA?

 

[Casual Shinji]

Any chance that, between everyone who is upset about this, that we can track down the ass holes who did this and beat them to death? I'm sure they won't be able to keep their mouths shut. Everyone keep you eyes and ears open, and when we find these people, they die. Plain and simple.

I'll supply the plyers and the blowtorch.

 

[DarkxFatal]

Oh my sweet divine Omega Mk XII, Sony you suck for this and should die thirty times!

But no, let's get serious here.

Shame on Sony for not having a flawless anti-hacking defense in place, I mean who's gonna trust them now? Good thing we still have that flawless thing called the internet.

Shame on those hackers for...hacking. I mean, who expected that to happen? Hackers, hacking? Gosh that's a shock. But anyways..Gonna say what I heard from the ol' grapevine: Apparently, the hacker (or hackers as the case may be) didn't upgrade their firmware (or system or something) then modded it to be recognized as an developer console, which meant they had access to 'false' PSN money, which normally is used to test DLC. The hacker (or hackers) managed to find a way to transfer the 'fake' PSN money to their account as normal PSN money and used it to get free downloaded games and DLC or whatnot.

So, being a PS3 user, I'm a tiiiny bit worried, but otherwise: Eh. Now what'd make me REALLY worried is if the/a government was hacked into.

Edit: So, Sony didn't release the info until a week after all the stuff happened. What could they have been doing?

Personally, I think they were going to try to mend the problem without scaring the users, and when that failed, they told the public that their info COULD be at risk.

 

[MetalMaz]

Ah hell, I was afraid of this. Bank first thing in the morning, fantastic. I doubt any company is completely hack proof, but why don't they hire them to find any potential areas where their security is lacking?

 

[Jumplion]

Well, that's a helluvah situation they've got on their hands.

We don't know who is behind this. All we've had is speculation. It could be Anon, it could be GeoHotz, it could be a bunch of disgruntled hackers, it could be extremely aggressive pirates, it could even be someone spilling their cup of coffee on the servers because his girlfriend just broke up with him last night.

It wouldn't piss me off as much if it weren't for the fact that Sony is not updating us on the situation. Twitter doesn't cut it, there should be constant updates on most whatever they find. Just "we are investigating" "we are working on it" "we are working as fast as we can" doesn't cut it, we need to know this kind of stuff the moment it happens. Now, I don't know how recently Sony found this out, but even then precautions should be made at all times, informing the customer of anything at any time. Sony's communication skills with the public has always been horrendous, good to know that hasn't changed...

This isn't helping Sony's, or the hackers', image at all. Sony is bumbling around, barely giving us any information on what's going on. On top of that, the dumbfuck hackers/crackers/white hat/black hat/whatever you want to call them are only making this situation even worse by stealing information from the people that they claim to be protecting. Fucking numbnuts, both of them.

If there's anything I've learned from this, it's to just get prepaid cards and always put in junk info.