Sony Admits Private PSN Info Has Been Stolen - All Of It

[Sentox6]

It was secure and stable until Hotz decided to stick his dick into the mechanism. Fucker makes me mad.

Because you're a security expert and not a random dude on the internets.

Being a security expert is irrelevant. Hotz proved that the ps3 could be hacked. Hackers had pretty much given up till he hacked it. There is a huge likelyhood that other hackers caught on and started tapping wells elsewhere. Even so, he started it. He lit the cigarette near the puddle of gasoline. It's starting to ignite; its up to sony to put it out.

Yes, understanding what you're talking about is totally irrelevant.

Seriously, isn't there some part of your mind that pauses for a moment and considers "hey, I have zero understanding of what's going on here; perhaps I shouldn't start making blanket statements as if they're fact?". I guess not.

Look, I try to be as polite as I can on the internet, but I have no other way to express this.

Stop. Making. Shit. Up.

Jailbreaking the PS3 did not suddenly make PSN insecure. Hacking a PS3 is not nearly the same as hacking PSN. Even if we live in some Alice-through-the-looking-glass looney dimension, and the PS3 jailbreak that Geohot piggy-backed off did somehow magically enable access to the PSN database, all that would prove is that Sony has some amazingly incompetent system architects and/or network engineers. The fact this could happen means the network was never secure, irrespective of Geohot's meddling with a client-side device.

The 360 has been subjected to numerous piracy-enabling hacks for most of its life, but you don't see anyone lifting XBL's entire user database. E-tailers like Amazon have to deal with their servers being connected to millions of completely open systems, but they never lost the entirety of their customer records.

 

[Jumplion]

Fuckin' sheeple.

The only thing that has "happened" at all here is either A) No data was stolen and Sony is an criminal asshat of a corporation for pretending a crime was committed when it wasn't or B) Data was stolen and Sony decided to sit on the information because they couldn't care less about their customer's data security.

1.) Never call me that again.

2.) You're missing the point; this should have never happened in the first place.

What would they even have to gain by doing this Option A and B make no sense.
They were caught unaware when they shouldn't have been free service or not.
Sony is a professional company they should always be ready and up to date.
The fact that they weren't worries me that Sony is in more of a bind then we thought.

The bold bits are what I'm trying to get across but apparently can't.
If Sony was as prepared as they're suppose to be this wouldn't have happened.

Depends on how you see it, really. While I'm not trying to downplay the stupidity and unprepared-ness of Sony, it's not like the alleged hackers did this in an hour or two. I'd imagine that it would take a few days, doing whateverthehell hackers/crackers do, and Sony caught it recently.

I dunno, technical mumbo jumbo to me. It still doesn't excuse how Sony have kept us in the dark with all of this.

 

[MattAn24]

It's okay, I knew you were sorry. Just kidding. I mean, you can see whatever you want in my post, but if you can't get that the reporter is absolutely making a mountain out of a molehill here when he takes a press release that says "we might be compromised" and turns it into "SONY ADMITS EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TAKEN! EVERY FUCKING THING!" is irresponsible, you're just fucking blind, bro. Also, where did I mention the government?

Wow.. I'm actually sorry this time. I was being sarcastic in my last post, but you're absolutely right. I was more referring to your first part about Sony being all evil and such. I absolutely agree that the article is incredibly over-exaggerated.

As for the government, I.. Have no idea. Made an assumption that "evil companies" are teamed up with the government and are all constantly watching us.. Like they are right now! OH GOD LOOK BEHIND YOU. Oh wait.. That would be stupid. Which is not what your post was. Well played, soldier!

 

[GrimHeaper]

Thank God I only obtained my DLC's and other, various download-ables through use of a PSN card.

I am safe... right?

Did you use your credit card to buy that PSN card or cash?
Should be safe no matter what if it is cash.
Sometimes Companies keep records of purchases though and that credit card info could be on it easily. Though what do I know I don't own a credit card.(Theft and credit card go together like candy and a baby)

 

[Emergent]

Where as capitalism basicly ensures no true wide scale lower class.

That's a patently ridiculous claim, but at least simply opening your eyes to the world you actually live in should disillusion you of the idea pretty quickly.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Thank God I only obtained my DLC's and other, various download-ables through use of a PSN card.

I am safe... right?

Did you use your credit card to buy that PSN card or cash?
Should be safe no matter what if it is cash.
Sometimes Companies keep records of purchases though and that credit card info could be on it easily. Though what do I know I don't own a credit card.(Theft and credit card go together like candy and a baby)

This would only be a problem if you somehow bought the physical card through the PSN. Most of these things are sold at places like Gamestop and Walmart, who don't exactly share credit card databases with Sony.

 

[SovietSecrets]

Nice secure system there Sony. Way to fuck up. At least RRoD only killed your system and didn't give out all your information at the same time.

Oh and I am still supporting the people who did this. How do you leave such a glaring issue in the system without fixing it? Thats asking for trouble. At least now Sony has to get their system together. If it didn't happen now, it was going to somewhere down the line and Sony still would have done nothing about it until then. Great company.

You support the people that did this?
Really?

It doesn't matter if this security hole is there if there are no dicks to exploit it.
You support the purposeful downfall of a system that holds a lot of information on people and plays a massive role in millions of peoples' lives?

This issue wasn't glaring before Sony fucked up and removed Other OS, but that move was their prerogative as a company trying to protect itself. In hind-sight it didn't work out that way, but still, supporting an action that cripples an entire infrastructure is a fairly poor choice.

There are zero benefits to this happening, because even through the re-building it's an unusable service, limiting the consumer and alienating people all the while.
And it doesn't matter that it caused Sony to "buck up their ideas and make a stand", because they shouldn't have to fight to protect themselves anyway.

You trust people not to take advantage of this? There will always be one person who will be willing to take advantage of something, especially something this big. I support a company actually trying to be responsible and protect its users information on a mass scale. Somethings might slip out, that happens, but a breach this big? Thats not the hackers fault, thats Sony's fault leaving it open for him to go into. This issue wasn't glaring is what astounds me the most from you. This isn't a huge problem? Users information being accessible isn't a glaring problem? You think there are zero benefits, but there is one like I stated, now Sony gets its security into shape and focuses on that so it doesn't happen again and they should protect to fight themselves. People are going to do what they want. Murder shouldn't happen, but it does, rape shouldn't happen, but it does, what makes this so special?

Oh and I am still supporting the people who did this. How do you leave such a glaring issue in the system without fixing it? Thats asking for trouble. At least now Sony has to get their system together. If it didn't happen now, it was going to somewhere down the line and Sony still would have done nothing about it until then. Great company.

Well we don't know what happened. You have to remember, all that anti-hacker software/hardware isn't going to stop a hacker, rather that's impossible at this point in technology, it's all focused on tracing the connection back to the hacker who did it. I mean government systems have been hacked, military movements have been monitered and only a couple months later been figured out (nothing came of it though IIRC). The PS3 though is the least protected of the consoles IIRC, with the Xbox 360 as the strongest protection, rather ironic considering the track record of Windows.

I know that hackers aren't going to be kept out forever, I completely agree. Yet letting all of your users information (according to the article) be taken is a huge problem that had to have been noticed. Something like that just doesn't go unchecked. Like you said so yourself 360 with the strongest protection, its what Sony should aim to be. Just having sales isn't the end all, protecting your users should ideally come first.

 

[qwertyz]

Thank God I only obtained my DLC's and other, various download-ables through use of a PSN card.

I am safe... right?

Did you use your credit card to buy that PSN card or cash?
Should be safe no matter what if it is cash.
Sometimes Companies keep records of purchases though and that credit card info could be on it easily. Though what do I know I don't own a credit card.(Theft and credit card go together like candy and a baby)

This would only be a problem if you somehow bought the physical card through the PSN. Most of these things are sold at places like Gamestop and Walmart, who don't exactly share credit card databases with Sony.

Yep, bought em at Gamestop. OK. Potential personal crisis resolved. Proceeding to continue not caring about PSN, as I stopped playing on it awhile back after my gaming computer shipped.

 

[Emergent]

Wow.. I'm actually sorry this time. I was being sarcastic in my last post, but you're absolutely right. I was more referring to your first part about Sony being all evil and such. I absolutely agree that the article is incredibly over-exaggerated.

As for the government, I.. Have no idea. Made an assumption that "evil companies" are teamed up with the government and are all constantly watching us.. Like they are right now! OH GOD LOOK BEHIND YOU. Oh wait.. That would be stupid. Which is not what your post was. Well played, soldier!

Hehe, fair enough. Hugz?

 

[Pariah164]

...

Well, shit.

*watches bank account like a hawk*

 

[Funkysandwich]

Well that sucks. I guess AAAAAAAA AAAAAAA at 1234 Asdf street is going to be in for a nasty surprise.

 

[Kadoodle]

It was secure and stable until Hotz decided to stick his dick into the mechanism. Fucker makes me mad.

Because you're a security expert and not a random dude on the internets.

Being a security expert is irrelevant. Hotz proved that the ps3 could be hacked. Hackers had pretty much given up till he hacked it. There is a huge likelyhood that other hackers caught on and started tapping wells elsewhere. Even so, he started it. He lit the cigarette near the puddle of gasoline. It's starting to ignite; its up to sony to put it out.

Yes, understanding what you're talking about is totally irrelevant.

Seriously, isn't there some part of your mind that pauses for a moment and considers "hey, I have zero understanding of what's going on here; perhaps I shouldn't start making blanket statements as if they're fact?". I guess not.

Look, I try to be as polite as I can on the internet, but I have no other way to express this.

Stop. Making. Shit. Up.

Jailbreaking the PS3 did not suddenly make PSN insecure. Hacking a PS3 is not nearly the same as hacking PSN. Even if we live in some Alice-through-the-looking-glass looney dimension, and the PS3 jailbreak that Geohot piggy-backed off did somehow magically enable access to the PSN database, all that would prove is that Sony has some amazingly incompetent system architects and/or network engineers. The fact this could happen means the network was never secure, irrespective of Geohot's meddling with a client-side device.

The 360 has been subjected to numerous piracy-enabling hacks for most of its life, but you don't see anyone lifting XBL's entire user database. E-tailers like Amazon have to deal with their servers being connected to millions of completely open systems, but they never lost the entirety of their customer records.

All I meant is he started a trend. Nobody really got into the system before he did. I'm not saying that hotz hacking the console directly allowed for hacking of the network; rather, it set an example for future hackers. I understand the difference between the ps3 and the psn. As I said, hackers started "tapping wells elsewhere." In case you didn't realize, that was a metaphor for trying to hack other sony products and services.

Also, if i read the "speculations" article correctly, this may have been caused by abusing a custom firmware partially intended to restore functionality to hacked consoles. Consoles hacked via Hotz's method.

You might want to pause your mind and READ. MORE. CAREFULLY. I never said, meant, or believed that hacking the console would allow for the hacking of the network. All I said is it set off a chain of events. No need to act like a prick.

I also assume you didn't read the other article which gave a more technical theory as to why something like this might have happened. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109545-Speculation-About-PSN-Outage-Turns-to-Custom-Firmware

 

[Ziadaine_v1legacy]

Glad I haven't brought a PS3 yet.

 

[Frank_Sinatra_]

Depends on how you see it, really. While I'm not trying to downplay the stupidity and unprepared-ness of Sony, it's not like the alleged hackers did this in an hour or two. I'd imagine that it would take a few days, doing whateverthehell hackers/crackers do, and Sony caught it recently.

I dunno, technical mumbo jumbo to me. It still doesn't excuse how Sony have kept us in the dark with all of this.

That's another bit that has me really peeved. Sony really should have told us about this a lot sooner. The sheer slowness of it all is infuriating.
Hell the House of Representatives with 50% of each major party would have moved faster than that.

 

[Emergent]

All I meant is he started a trend. Nobody really got into the system before he did.

That's... also not true, lol.

 

[subtlefuge]

1975- Betamax
1984- Digital Audio Tape
1993- Minidisc
1993- ATRAC Audio Format
1998- Memory Stick
2005- UMD
2011- Blu-Ray

They were overdue on screwing up their latest doomed format anyway.

 

[ace_of_something]

Worst part is I can't remember what info I had on there. I don't think I put anything except my zip code. and my name as (first name) Mr (Last name) T
Still unnerving.

 

[MattAn24]

Hehe, fair enough. Hugz?

HOW DO YOU KNOW MY LANGUAGE. WHAT ARE FIRE. WHAT AM THE SKY. HOW DOES EAT FOOD.

 

[Kadoodle]

All I meant is he started a trend. Nobody really got into the system before he did.

That's... also not true, lol.

Really. Who did then? And how come nobody heard about it? Did they actually allow for homebrew and hacking to the extent that hotz did? Enlighten me.

 

[MattAn24]

Well that sucks. I guess AAAAAAAA AAAAAAA at 1234 Asdf street is going to be in for a nasty surprise.

Oh lawd, I needed that lol. Thanks for the LRR reference! Antarctica, right?