Sony Calls Out Microsoft Over First-Party Development

[Doug]

Why must we continue arguing over this time and time again? Why do companies try to act like they are doing anything but trying to steal your money? THEY DO THIS STUFF TO TAKE YOUR MONEY!!!!! Also Ignore everything Indigo_dingo says in these matters, he is far from impartial.

So somehow the fact that I'm the only one who grasps the line between actively funding something new and paying to reduce the spread of content makes me far from impartial?

Oh I understand it, I just know from experience you lead the PS3 fanboys. No offence. I respect your contribution to the community and it is a well made point, but you don't listen to well made points AGAINST Sony.

Thats because they hardly ever show up. Everyone keeps coming back with "Sony are evil, Sony are whinging, they're just jealous cause they didn't do something like that, the Ps3 has no good games".

I agree, but even when one is put forward you poo poo it. YOu are a Sony Fanboy, and do not give Microsoft a chance. YOu do make good points for sony, unlike the Idiot fanboys, but that does not change that you are one.

I'm not following you, what are you referring to?

I believe he's saying that you ignore critism of Sony and don't respond to it.

He is saying when Sony is mentioned you cannot see anything besides Sony. Even tho you make good compelling arguments.

Also, this.

 

[Simriel]

Why must we continue arguing over this time and time again? Why do companies try to act like they are doing anything but trying to steal your money? THEY DO THIS STUFF TO TAKE YOUR MONEY!!!!! Also Ignore everything Indigo_dingo says in these matters, he is far from impartial.

So somehow the fact that I'm the only one who grasps the line between actively funding something new and paying to reduce the spread of content makes me far from impartial?

Oh I understand it, I just know from experience you lead the PS3 fanboys. No offence. I respect your contribution to the community and it is a well made point, but you don't listen to well made points AGAINST Sony.

Thats because they hardly ever show up. Everyone keeps coming back with "Sony are evil, Sony are whinging, they're just jealous cause they didn't do something like that, the Ps3 has no good games".

I agree, but even when one is put forward you poo poo it. YOu are a Sony Fanboy, and do not give Microsoft a chance. YOu do make good points for sony, unlike the Idiot fanboys, but that does not change that you are one.

Well said. The sad thing is, when a topic isn't about Sony, Indigo can actually be very percieve and smart. But add Sony into the mix and the blinkers come out. Hell, Sony could announce they plan to release virus clouds into the atmosphere and he'd defend their business model.

Exactly.

Generally speaking, thats because people seem to continually look at these things from a perspective that Sony are bad. Lets look at the chart Sony put out showing the features of a Ps3 versus what you'd need to pay to get those on a 360. People automatically said this was a bad thing. But it was explaining something to people who say its too expensive, increasing awareness of value. Seemed relatively straightfoward to me.

I have never argued that you don't get a lot for your money. You do. But only if you have an HDTV. Also a lot of the time its not about VALUE for money, its about the actual cash you are handing over.

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

That's right developers and publishers, turn the gears of war (pun intended). Way to add fuel to the fires.

We all know what flamewar equals ($$$)!

 

[Sparrow]

Wow. New low for Sony. Are they seriously getting their panties in a twist because they can't get the best deals?

Sometimes I wonder if they forget that gaming is a buisness too.

Sometimes I wonder if people will think for a second and stop blaming solely one company on this

Once again, I bring up Microsoft's "Attack [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90335]-s [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90352]" on Sony. Stop trying to pit all the blame on one company. I agree that gaming is a business and Sony shouldn't exactly complain, but just shut up about the whole "A new low for Sony" because everyone seems to forget that every single fucking company does this sort of crap.

Although I agree that all companies are complaining, Sony seem to be complaining about pathetic things like this. I don't suppose that makes Microsoft look any better though.

They're both fucktards in my opinion.

 

[Fantastico]

First Sony does a personal and unneeded attack on Microsoft, then Epic replies with what sounds like a fake friendship decleration. This will end badly.

Yeah, tell me about it.

 

[Simriel]

Why must we continue arguing over this time and time again? Why do companies try to act like they are doing anything but trying to steal your money? THEY DO THIS STUFF TO TAKE YOUR MONEY!!!!! Also Ignore everything Indigo_dingo says in these matters, he is far from impartial.

So somehow the fact that I'm the only one who grasps the line between actively funding something new and paying to reduce the spread of content makes me far from impartial?

Oh I understand it, I just know from experience you lead the PS3 fanboys. No offence. I respect your contribution to the community and it is a well made point, but you don't listen to well made points AGAINST Sony.

Thats because they hardly ever show up. Everyone keeps coming back with "Sony are evil, Sony are whinging, they're just jealous cause they didn't do something like that, the Ps3 has no good games".

I agree, but even when one is put forward you poo poo it. YOu are a Sony Fanboy, and do not give Microsoft a chance. YOu do make good points for sony, unlike the Idiot fanboys, but that does not change that you are one.

Well said. The sad thing is, when a topic isn't about Sony, Indigo can actually be very percieve and smart. But add Sony into the mix and the blinkers come out. Hell, Sony could announce they plan to release virus clouds into the atmosphere and he'd defend their business model.

Exactly.

Generally speaking, thats because people seem to continually look at these things from a perspective that Sony are bad. Lets look at the chart Sony put out showing the features of a Ps3 versus what you'd need to pay to get those on a 360. People automatically said this was a bad thing. But it was explaining something to people who say its too expensive, increasing awareness of value. Seemed relatively straightfoward to me.

I have never argued that you don't get a lot for your money. You do. But only if you have an HDTV. Also a lot of the time its not about VALUE for money, its about the actual cash you are handing over.

Even if you take out High Definition picture, you still get free online and Wi-fi, and far cheaper memory. These aren't exactly high-end functions.

Yes, Better value for money. But, I don't play Online, and prefer a cabled network. Also it costs more cash out of my hand, therefore has a disadvantage.

 

[Inverse Skies]

Ummmm... maybe I'm just thick or something, but all Mircosoft seems to be doing is paying developers to stay with them. Call me stupid, but isn't that the way a lot of things work like in our society?

Not quite seeing any problem at all here.

 

[shatnershaman]

Sometimes I wonder if people will think for a second and stop blaming solely one company on this

Once again, I bring up Microsoft's "Attack [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90335]-s [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90352]" on Sony. Stop trying to pit all the blame on one company. I agree that gaming is a business and Sony shouldn't exactly complain, but just shut up about the whole "A new low for Sony" because everyone seems to forget that every single fucking company does this sort of crap.

Well the internet does suffer from memory loss, though that is how these usually work. Next week when Microsoft does a retort, then Microsoft is the only company that does this and someone will take your spot and link to this.

I think Sony is at a disadvantage from the first party development because if they focus on the PS3 soley they piss off PSP/PS2 owners from the lack of games (though that is pretty much what they did second half 2007 and 2008) while if they spread it out the PS3 will lose ground (2006,first half of 2007, and possibly this year). Then again Nintendo solved the problem by training their fanbase over the years to accept this.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=269

 

[Jumplion]

You know, Sony really needs to shut Koller up. Between this and bitching about the DSi... well, he isn't doing any good for the company.

What about putting some effort into making the platforms more appealing than this crap?

Stop trying to pit all the blame on one company. I agree that gaming is a business and Sony shouldn't exactly complain, but just shut up about the whole "A new low for Sony" because everyone seems to forget that every single fucking company does this sort of crap.

Curiously enough, nobody from Nintendo has even bothered answering Koller's bitching about the DSi.

And nobody from Sony has bothered to answer Microsoft's "Attack [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90335]-s [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90352]" on Sony, what's your point? Yet I'm sure everyone would say that "Sony's pride was hurt, that's why they didn't respond!"

I'll bring up Omni's list of company-fuckery if I have to, by god I would right now if I wasn't so lazy.

 

[Jumplion]

Yes, Better value for money. But, I don't play Online, and prefer a cabled network. Also it costs more cash out of my hand, therefore has a disadvantage.

This is a problem in many debates on the "value" of the PS3, it's always "I prefer....I don't care about....I don't really like....", it's always about the I's. The problem is, you're confusing personal value to overall value. It doesn't matter if you personally don't care for HD or Online or that it's expensive because you don't care about those. The fact is that since the PS3 has free online, it does matter and it does have value to it. It may not have personal value to you, that's subjective, but you can't say that free online is worthless because you don't care much for online.

Just want to say that, people always confuse their own personal likings with overall value when it comes to the PS3. Just sayin'...

 

[Simriel]

Why must we continue arguing over this time and time again? Why do companies try to act like they are doing anything but trying to steal your money? THEY DO THIS STUFF TO TAKE YOUR MONEY!!!!! Also Ignore everything Indigo_dingo says in these matters, he is far from impartial.

So somehow the fact that I'm the only one who grasps the line between actively funding something new and paying to reduce the spread of content makes me far from impartial?

Oh I understand it, I just know from experience you lead the PS3 fanboys. No offence. I respect your contribution to the community and it is a well made point, but you don't listen to well made points AGAINST Sony.

Thats because they hardly ever show up. Everyone keeps coming back with "Sony are evil, Sony are whinging, they're just jealous cause they didn't do something like that, the Ps3 has no good games".

I agree, but even when one is put forward you poo poo it. YOu are a Sony Fanboy, and do not give Microsoft a chance. YOu do make good points for sony, unlike the Idiot fanboys, but that does not change that you are one.

Well said. The sad thing is, when a topic isn't about Sony, Indigo can actually be very percieve and smart. But add Sony into the mix and the blinkers come out. Hell, Sony could announce they plan to release virus clouds into the atmosphere and he'd defend their business model.

Exactly.

Generally speaking, thats because people seem to continually look at these things from a perspective that Sony are bad. Lets look at the chart Sony put out showing the features of a Ps3 versus what you'd need to pay to get those on a 360. People automatically said this was a bad thing. But it was explaining something to people who say its too expensive, increasing awareness of value. Seemed relatively straightfoward to me.

I have never argued that you don't get a lot for your money. You do. But only if you have an HDTV. Also a lot of the time its not about VALUE for money, its about the actual cash you are handing over.

Even if you take out High Definition picture, you still get free online and Wi-fi, and far cheaper memory. These aren't exactly high-end functions.

Yes, Better value for money. But, I don't play Online, and prefer a cabled network. Also it costs more cash out of my hand, therefore has a disadvantage.

I personally prefer an up-front charge as opposed to a low intial payment then continual payments forever. I guess thats why I choose debit over credit.

But I don't use Online play, so I only HAVE my initial cost.

 

[Simriel]

Why must we continue arguing over this time and time again? Why do companies try to act like they are doing anything but trying to steal your money? THEY DO THIS STUFF TO TAKE YOUR MONEY!!!!! Also Ignore everything Indigo_dingo says in these matters, he is far from impartial.

So somehow the fact that I'm the only one who grasps the line between actively funding something new and paying to reduce the spread of content makes me far from impartial?

Oh I understand it, I just know from experience you lead the PS3 fanboys. No offence. I respect your contribution to the community and it is a well made point, but you don't listen to well made points AGAINST Sony.

Thats because they hardly ever show up. Everyone keeps coming back with "Sony are evil, Sony are whinging, they're just jealous cause they didn't do something like that, the Ps3 has no good games".

I agree, but even when one is put forward you poo poo it. YOu are a Sony Fanboy, and do not give Microsoft a chance. YOu do make good points for sony, unlike the Idiot fanboys, but that does not change that you are one.

Well said. The sad thing is, when a topic isn't about Sony, Indigo can actually be very percieve and smart. But add Sony into the mix and the blinkers come out. Hell, Sony could announce they plan to release virus clouds into the atmosphere and he'd defend their business model.

Exactly.

Generally speaking, thats because people seem to continually look at these things from a perspective that Sony are bad. Lets look at the chart Sony put out showing the features of a Ps3 versus what you'd need to pay to get those on a 360. People automatically said this was a bad thing. But it was explaining something to people who say its too expensive, increasing awareness of value. Seemed relatively straightfoward to me.

I have never argued that you don't get a lot for your money. You do. But only if you have an HDTV. Also a lot of the time its not about VALUE for money, its about the actual cash you are handing over.

Even if you take out High Definition picture, you still get free online and Wi-fi, and far cheaper memory. These aren't exactly high-end functions.

Yes, Better value for money. But, I don't play Online, and prefer a cabled network. Also it costs more cash out of my hand, therefore has a disadvantage.

I personally prefer an up-front charge as opposed to a low intial payment then continual payments forever. I guess thats why I choose debit over credit.

But I don't use Online play, so I only HAVE my initial cost.

Except for the memory.

I do not use my console for media storage. Nor do I used it for online play. nor do I have HD. I use it to play games. Which is the best deal for me?

 

[oliveira8]

Why must we continue arguing over this time and time again? Why do companies try to act like they are doing anything but trying to steal your money? THEY DO THIS STUFF TO TAKE YOUR MONEY!!!!! Also Ignore everything Indigo_dingo says in these matters, he is far from impartial.

So somehow the fact that I'm the only one who grasps the line between actively funding something new and paying to reduce the spread of content makes me far from impartial?

Oh I understand it, I just know from experience you lead the PS3 fanboys. No offence. I respect your contribution to the community and it is a well made point, but you don't listen to well made points AGAINST Sony.

Thats because they hardly ever show up. Everyone keeps coming back with "Sony are evil, Sony are whinging, they're just jealous cause they didn't do something like that, the Ps3 has no good games".

I agree, but even when one is put forward you poo poo it. YOu are a Sony Fanboy, and do not give Microsoft a chance. YOu do make good points for sony, unlike the Idiot fanboys, but that does not change that you are one.

Well said. The sad thing is, when a topic isn't about Sony, Indigo can actually be very percieve and smart. But add Sony into the mix and the blinkers come out. Hell, Sony could announce they plan to release virus clouds into the atmosphere and he'd defend their business model.

Exactly.

Generally speaking, thats because people seem to continually look at these things from a perspective that Sony are bad. Lets look at the chart Sony put out showing the features of a Ps3 versus what you'd need to pay to get those on a 360. People automatically said this was a bad thing. But it was explaining something to people who say its too expensive, increasing awareness of value. Seemed relatively straightfoward to me.

I have never argued that you don't get a lot for your money. You do. But only if you have an HDTV. Also a lot of the time its not about VALUE for money, its about the actual cash you are handing over.

Even if you take out High Definition picture, you still get free online and Wi-fi, and far cheaper memory. These aren't exactly high-end functions.

Yes, Better value for money. But, I don't play Online, and prefer a cabled network. Also it costs more cash out of my hand, therefore has a disadvantage.

I personally prefer an up-front charge as opposed to a low intial payment then continual payments forever. I guess thats why I choose debit over credit.

But I don't use Online play, so I only HAVE my initial cost.

Except for the memory.

I do not use my console for media storage. Nor do I used it for online play. nor do I have HD. I use it to play games. Which is the best deal for me?

I think you should listen to your own advise.

And I'm with Simriel in this one. I dont need a console for media storage or online play, thats why I have a PC.