Sony implements new policy censoring Japanese games for possible fanservice content
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That definition still makes no sense. Unless the PC games in question are like those present in the Sega CD where you had live action video as "cutscenes" and they contain actual children and not unrealistic/stylized drawings and polygon models that do not resemble nor behave like actual human children.CaitSeith said:
To make a jump and call people with 2d complex pedos is basically as insane as jumping and calling people who enjoy fps games as people who have "psychopathic murder fantasies" in real life.
It makes you sound like the religious conservatives of the past who blamed school shootings on Doom and bullying on mortal kombat. Only it's a subject that's more taboo to defend so it's easier to get away with cause few people care enough about artistic expression in general or these games in particular to even bother risking being branded as someone who is in support of such games whereas violent media was completely mainstream even back then so people were comfortable in coming out and calling BS.
It's still the same wrong logic being applied here. How icky a game makes you feel isn't something that makes the logic any better, at all.
This is actual pedhophilia. What you're doing is conflating pedophilia (by the way, pedophilia isn't a crime) with associated acts. Being turned n by prepubescent bodies doesn't stop being pedophilia because they're digital, but I understand here you're coming from. It's got to be hard to defend creepy dudes who are triggered because they can't get off on kiddies anymore (in their video games specifically, so let's make this look absurd by pretending we're comparing video games to criminal violations.sonofliber said:
CaitSeith said:
See, you just inserted an assumption just now, out of nowhere. Multiple ones in fact. You're assuming people turned on by something in a game or an anime or what have you are also turned on by the real-life equivalent. I assure you a lot of people who are into guro or vore are not into real life decimated bodies and cannibalism.
You also assume that people who play these games do so because they're turned on, when there could be other reasons. When they could be overlooking those elements you find icky because these games have other, worthwhile components that make them worth playing.
You shouldn't be sorry about what you find icky, that's a natural response. You should be sorry for letting that feeling of something being icky cloud your judgement and manifest into an irrational double standard that deems certain content as somehow more pernicious when it's all equally agnostic and harmless in the hands of rational individuals.
You would never take someone who suggested that games that give people a "real murderous desire" are somehow malignant seriously, cause that's an insane thing to put on games which are just entertainment.
All that matters is their true feelings (their sexual feelings), and that's something that I can do nothing but assume. The new policy is about removing those elements that supposedly they are already overlooking, so, what am I supposed to think when they make a stink about it?Dreiko said:
I think a more fair assessment is that any removal is aggravating on the principle of censorship being bad. I think the vast majority of people merely dislike that game companies presume to tell them what they can or cannot handle without being corrupted, as though they are not grown adults able to decide that for themselves without outside assistance. It is also aggravating how a move which is in fact just a way of making their brand seem more marketable to shareholders is presented as this very virtuous stance being taken against "sinful content" or whatever the intended inference is. It's quite cynical and as long as Sony doesn't decide to also remove any existing game with similar content from their offerings but only apply this rule to newer games (which will in effect still allow hundreds of purportedly sinful games to be available) it will never be able to ascend to the status of a "core belief" that they seem to want to describe it as.CaitSeith said:
The funny thing about the "all censorship is bad" model is the deafening silence when a dude in skimpy clothing is covered up, or a same-sex relationship scheduled. But if you take away rape mini-games or underage girls, there will be HELL! to pay.
I'd believe more in the "they don't want to fap to underage girls, they're just against censorship" argument if they actually stepped up when other forms of censorship happens. During the height of the screeching about how all censorship is bad, you could see it in action right here, when those decisions were reported in the news section, and the people up in arms about their precious lolis were suddenly nowhere to be found.
I'd believe more in the "they don't want to fap to underage girls, they're just against censorship" argument if they actually stepped up when other forms of censorship happens. During the height of the screeching about how all censorship is bad, you could see it in action right here, when those decisions were reported in the news section, and the people up in arms about their precious lolis were suddenly nowhere to be found.
That's a valid concern. My only explanation is that people who care about this issue don't actually play any gay games so are unaware of the censorship coming that way and perhaps that there's just way fewer instances of such a thing happening to a series known about having sexy dudes. I definitely agree with you that it also ought to be condemned in a similar fashion.Something Amyss said:
Also I have to say specifically for senran kagura, the fanservice in that series is so comedicly over the top I am suspect anyone actually faps to it. Maybe highly starved young teenagers or something who are just innocent and pure and haven't seen boobs before (in which case it's not creeps since they're that age too).
To me it looks like seriously self-aware slapstick with a sexy twist. Even those removed "touching rooms", all you do there is get yelled at or get insulted for being a creep. In the 3ds game you could use the system's microphone to blow at it like you're blowing out birthday cakes which would make their skirts flutter. It's really just silly stuff. Suggesting it has anything to do with rape is a diminishing of rape.
It's actually because it's harder to get mad at something you really don't know anything about. It's not that we don't care, but it's that we never hear about it in the first place because we don't sit around and read Polygon all day.Something Amyss said:
I'm just waiting for the day the US becomes more like the rest of the world, other than the UK, and then some. Everyone knows this culture is very sleazy and sexual. I mean, hentai is the second most searched term on pornhub, and you know exactly what 90% of that is. We have this misguided notion that we can shield it all from anyone under 18, like some guy that took the Catcher in the Rye too seriously. You can't argue against degeneracy without being a hypocrite unless you are a 100% vanilla person or are asexual.
Yes, but you do visit the Escapist, and I have a long memory. I remember back during the height of the "cenbsorship" BS around here. I remember how many people would flip out if they changed the aghe of underage girls in an RPG. I also remember how quiet those voices got when EA was reported to have censored same-sex relationships, or when they covered up a FF character because he was making dudes uncomfortable.I don said:
To quote an old song...your story's real touching, but it sounds just like a lie.
In fact, I remember the screams of ": SJW!" when Bioware included same-sex relationships in ME and DA, which they wanted from the start. I remember the cries of "SJW" when Volition took the T&A they didn't want out of their games. It's really hard to believe the people who were triggered by optional gay content in vidya games to the point they wanted it out are against all censorship because they happen to object when underage girls (and it is always girls) and groping games are removed.
Similar to what I said above, the biggest problem with this is how many of these people are getting their news from gaming nsites. In fact, the ones I encounter--the only ones I can really comment on--are 100% getting their news from gaming sites, because I literally don't follow anywhere else where this shit shows up.Dreiko said:
I'll also point out that these were the people who insisted people like me weren't gamers (which is sort of true, because I will not brand myself with that label), or "True Gamers" or whatever.
There's a huge overlap between fans of depictions of underage girls being groped and gaming, and even when these stories are reported, they vanish faster than logic in a superhero show.
There's a certain logic behind the notion of "all censorship is bad, so we must defend everything" except...that's not what happens. On the gaming sites I visit it's always the underage girls, giant boobs, and rapey games that get defended. LGBT content removed? A woman removed? Black characters removed? Cover up a dude's homoerotically delicious abs? NINJA! VANISH!
Actions matter, and people have consistently not been there to defend this stuff. In fact, gamers seem to be happy to call for the censorship of media that offends them personally, which sends the message to me that they very specifically like this kind of content.
I can only offer up anecdotes to counter anecdotes but the literal only case of a sexy guy being less sexy after the censorious USA localizers got their hands on him that I can come up with was Ringabel's speedo outfit being altered to a much more concealing one in Bravely Default (which was part of a series of similar changes for that game, manifesting "crotch shadows" out of nowhere and making fabric less seethrough and whatnot). I distinctly remember people bringing his alteration up equally as much as that of the girls'. His original outfit also showed comparatively more skin than that of those girls too. https://i.imgtc.com/tidTuTu.jpg
You may be assuming that people are reading what you're reading just because they visit the same forums. You may assume that people who hate censorship also have a habit of seeking out censorship stories to read and be mad about. I posit to you that a good chunk of them (me included) don't go out to seek these stories and will only react when such an instance occurs in something that was already interesting to begin with. Hating something and seeking to hate-read and be an activist about it is not the same. I hate censorship but decrying censorship is not fun for me, nor entertaining. When I go to forums I go to look into things I actually find interesting, so if it's something about a game I never cared about or even heard of I won't jump in since I'd rather focus on interesting things.
I think the reason you hear the same kinds of voices often with regards to censorship is due to the same kinds of games being disproportionally targeted by censors. I legit can't remember of a game which had gay chars and then they changed that cause of censorious reasons similar to the reasoning given when they change other games. I can't remember a case where a localizer went "this content is not appropriate for the west" with regards to gayness like they said about the Danmachi Memoria Freese case of interactive poking, for example.
You may be assuming that people are reading what you're reading just because they visit the same forums. You may assume that people who hate censorship also have a habit of seeking out censorship stories to read and be mad about. I posit to you that a good chunk of them (me included) don't go out to seek these stories and will only react when such an instance occurs in something that was already interesting to begin with. Hating something and seeking to hate-read and be an activist about it is not the same. I hate censorship but decrying censorship is not fun for me, nor entertaining. When I go to forums I go to look into things I actually find interesting, so if it's something about a game I never cared about or even heard of I won't jump in since I'd rather focus on interesting things.
I think the reason you hear the same kinds of voices often with regards to censorship is due to the same kinds of games being disproportionally targeted by censors. I legit can't remember of a game which had gay chars and then they changed that cause of censorious reasons similar to the reasoning given when they change other games. I can't remember a case where a localizer went "this content is not appropriate for the west" with regards to gayness like they said about the Danmachi Memoria Freese case of interactive poking, for example.
We all have our negative memories of this place. I remember how many people would flip out that the word censorship was used "incorrectly", as if that had any relevance at all to the argument. Hostile voices seem more numerous than they really are. Let's be real, there are more people that flip out over loli then there are people that are willing to defend it on this site.Something Amyss said:
The same goes with gamers in general, and anime. Very few people are lolicon. Underage girls on the other hand is quite different. When you try to group people who have fapped to hentai or rule 34 once, in the same group as lolicons, or if the law says that they are, then people are more willing to tolerate loli. If you want to think people who fap to fictional underage girls are gross, like how many males do you think have watched porn with the actor dressed in a schoolgirl outfit? Like 5 or something?
I find loli disgusting, but I'm going to defend it, because if I don't my own shitty fetish is going to come under fire.
Dreiko and I are probably otaku who has seen some fucked up shit. We are more willing to defend everything on principle, because we've seen and been desensitized to a lot of things. Let's say I found treasure in a trash pile every week, and then one day some neighbors want that trash pile gone because children might get hurt playing in it or some dumb reason. Whether Joe Blow wants to get rid of that trash pile because he found a gay porno magazine in it, is quite irrelevant to my stance.
And it's official, Takaki had it with Marvelous and has left for Cygames
https://gematsu.com/2019/03/kenichiro-takaki-leaves-marvelous-remains-producer-of-the-senran-kagura-series
https://nichegamer.com/2019/03/26/kenichiro-takaki-leaves-marvelous-still-producer-on-senran-kagura/
Words cannot describes my contempt for the fandom of the Senran Kagura series and this news brings me joy.
https://gematsu.com/2019/03/kenichiro-takaki-leaves-marvelous-remains-producer-of-the-senran-kagura-series
https://nichegamer.com/2019/03/26/kenichiro-takaki-leaves-marvelous-still-producer-on-senran-kagura/
Words cannot describes my contempt for the fandom of the Senran Kagura series and this news brings me joy.
Ugh. The last thing CyGames needs is *more* horny with its questionably aged characters. Their own in house 4koma strip has started dragging Granblue over it
Can't blame the guy, he has his reasons.gyrobot said:
Also, what did the SK fandom do to you? They're not the most obnoxious fandom I've ever seen. Most of that I met online or at a GameStop were friendly and understanding. I know you don't like Takaki or SK, but at least he is honest about his fan-service and does not make excuses or justify with bullshit reasons.
It's interesting how this topic moves from "come on guys this won't strangle creative freedom" to "good riddance to that creator, I never liked em anyways".
Not the best pokerface there XD.
Not the best pokerface there XD.
Clearly this guy did enough to quit after 13 years with the same company. Who are we to say he's wrong.undeadsuitor said:
Look, I just do not want them to horn up Io or Sara any more than they already have, okay?Dreiko said:
She is 11