Sony Provides Timeline of Attack Hinting at Anonymous' Involvement

[thepyrethatburns]

A) As has been said, Anonymous is everyone and anyone. This is something that they used to trumpet all the time until the claim started working against them such as now.

B) So Anonymous got into this because Sony sued a guy who was enabling pirates.

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So, people are acting surprised that a group that is fighting on behalf of pirates may have members that are willing to engage in credit card theft.

C) When Osama Bin Laden hit the WTC, there was kind of a "Oh ****" air around all the communications from the Taliban both with the U.S. and otherwise. I can see it as very possible for the same thing to happen here.

Hacker: "Hey guys, Check out what I did. This'll bring Sony down!"
*Stunned Silence*
Anon 1 "Oh ****. We are gonna get crucified if people find out about this."
Anon 2 "Can't we just turn him in?"
Anon 3 "Without revealing that we're also the ones that have been engaging in DDOS attacks?"
Anon 1 "Alright. We're just gonna release a statement saying that we didn't do it and hope that Hacker didn't leave anything incriminating."

D) Having been on the IT side, a lot of people on the forensics side aren't as dumb as some people in this topic think. I find it amusing that people can believe that Sony would be absolutely incompetant with their network yet skilled enough to plant evidence.

E) Sony hasn't actually been pointing fingers nor is the evidence that incriminating. One would think that they'd leave far more incriminating evidence than this if Sony was trying to frame Anon.

As you can guess, I have no problem with the notion that an Anon or a group of Anons really did do this. Remember, "everyone and anyone"

 

[Braedan]

God I actually miss the PSN, and I'm sick of all the AntiSony bitching. I hope this gets resolved soon.

I concur! I miss my Netflix! (regardless of how awful the Canadian service is.)

 

[Popido]

Yes. That does appear to be the case.

*Nods and takes a note*

If Mr. Obama was wearing a mask and not talking, then yes, he would be anonymous. If somone says they are anonymous, and we don't know who they are, then they ARE anonymous.

Exactly.

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In both ways that can be taken.

By both ways, if you meant that by simple taking the name of another you become the another, I have to disagree.

As you can guess, I have no problem with the notion that an Anon or a group of Anons really did do this. Remember, "everyone and anyone"

I interept that as a confession. Please assume the Party Escort Submission Position.

 

[Nicole Stacy]

Its nice how they're practically trying to bribe people to come back to the PSN network... more like pathetic.

 

[Braedan]

Yes. That does appear to be the case.

*Nods and takes a note*

If Mr. Obama was wearing a mask and not talking, then yes, he would be anonymous. If somone says they are anonymous, and we don't know who they are, then they ARE anonymous.

Exactly.

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In both ways that can be taken.

By both ways, if you meant that by simple taking the name of another you become the another, I have to disagree.

I meant that the person who claims to be anonymous is both the definition of anonymous, and part of the "group", seeing there are no restrictions from membership besides "being anonymous" and saying you are.

 

[Nicole Stacy]

Its nice how they're practically trying to bribe people to come back to the PSN network... more like pathetic.

 

[JDKJ]

Bull shit. If any fingers were pointing at Anon they would have popped out and said 'HAH AH WE DID IT!" not leave a file telling you the anon motto. The only finger pointing at Anon is a finger owned by sony that put the file there; if it even existed(no one say conspiracy companies can still lie) and again if anon had hacked sony we would have heard about it from anon via public release.

Are you forgetting that Sony called in not one, not two, but three independent forensic examiners? All those parties are in on a conspiracy to frame Anonymous? Possible, but not likely.

So its impossible for sony to leave a file in there for when one of the firms checks? they turn it in and make like it was found?

While i wouldn't put it past a few entities to lie to people i would say all that would be needed was sony to make a file, leave it in the path of the firms check ups, wait for them to find it, BAM instant scapegoat.

I think that multiple experts in computer and data forensics would be able to figure out whether a file was placed by an intruder or by the owner of the server. There'd be fingerprints and footprints all over the place. But if you're happy believing in tinfoil hat conspiracies, suit yourself. What ever makes you happy.

And if you want to believe everyone that tells you anything about their supposed enemy fine; but don't belittle others for choosing not to believe it outright.

Sony isn't telling anyone anything other than to state the fact that a file was discovered with "Anon" and "We are Legion" in it. They don't ever make the leap from that simple fact to the group Anonymous. You are the one making that leap.

And folks are free to believe the Earth is flat, if they so choose. But they'll have to forgive me for laughing out loud in their face when they start to tell me of their Flat Earth Theory. Sorry. I can't help myself.

 

[Popido]

In both ways that can be taken.

By both ways, if you meant that by simple taking the name of another you become the another, I have to disagree.

I meant that the person who claims to be anonymous is both the definition of anonymous, and part of the "group", seeing there are no restrictions from membership besides "being anonymous" and saying you are.

Which group? You know the group that took down PSN? Because if you did, that would be really helpful.

 

[Braedan]

I meant that the person who claims to be anonymous is both the definition of anonymous, and part of the "group", seeing there are no restrictions from membership besides "being anonymous" and saying you are.

Which group? You know the group that took down PSN? Because if you did, that would be really helpful.

Gah, the "Group" which people keep referring to as "anonymous". Of course I don't know who took down my PSN or i would be phoning the cops.

 

[JDKJ]

Bull shit. If any fingers were pointing at Anon they would have popped out and said 'HAH AH WE DID IT!" not leave a file telling you the anon motto. The only finger pointing at Anon is a finger owned by sony that put the file there; if it even existed(no one say conspiracy companies can still lie) and again if anon had hacked sony we would have heard about it from anon via public release.

Are you forgetting that Sony called in not one, not two, but three independent forensic examiners? All those parties are in on a conspiracy to frame Anonymous? Possible, but not likely.

So its impossible for sony to leave a file in there for when one of the firms checks? they turn it in and make like it was found?

While i wouldn't put it past a few entities to lie to people i would say all that would be needed was sony to make a file, leave it in the path of the firms check ups, wait for them to find it, BAM instant scapegoat.

I think that multiple experts in computer and data forensics would be able to figure out whether a file was placed by an intruder or by the owner of the server. There'd be fingerprints and footprints all over the place. But if you're happy believing in tinfoil hat conspiracies, suit yourself. What ever makes you happy.

And if you want to believe everyone that tells you anything about their supposed enemy fine; but don't belittle others for choosing not to believe it outright.

Sony isn't telling anyone anything other than to state the fact that a file was discovered with "Anon" and "We are Legion" in it. They don't ever make the leap from that simple fact to the group Anonymous. You are the one making that leap.

I am not making the leap i am explaining the leap because that's the path sony wants people to take. They wouldn't have released that statement had they not known it would end the way they wanted; and they knew it would end how they wanted because people make this leap, no one ever questions it, and they get some credibility back. Either way it doesn't satisfy reasonable doubt.

They made the statement in response to questions posed to them by Congress, not on their own initiative. And the leap you make -- the one you claim Sony wants every one else to make -- is not the only possible leap. One could just as easily leap to the conclusion that the thief placed those words in the file to create confusion between themselves and Anonymous and to thereby misdirect the investigation. But that is still leaping to conclusions. I'm not leaping to any conclusions. I'm simply taking the fact as Sony has presented it to me.

 

[Baresark]

If it was Anonymous, you'd think they'd do something a little grander to announce their involvement. Like they've done with basically everything else.

You mean something other than deny it? Haha, logic wins the day!

OT: Interestingly enough for a group with no leaders, the article did say that Anon representatives said that Anon wasn't involved.

Sony is pointing fingers, just another reason not to buy anything from them.

You obviously have not read this article properly.
It says that Sony admits that the file could have been placed by another group to place blame on anon.

Sorry, you are quite right. There was the line saying that Sony does believe that it could not be Anon. But that was one little line, in the face of a massive misleading title, can you blame me for thinking back to the title then putting that? I would think that Sony releasing a timeline about the attack would be enough to draw people in without blaming Anon like a slow day at The Daily Bugle and the need to blame Spiderman for a heatwave.

 

[JDKJ]

If it was Anonymous, you'd think they'd do something a little grander to announce their involvement. Like they've done with basically everything else.

You mean something other than deny it? Haha, logic wins the day!

OT: Interestingly enough for a group with no leaders, the article did say that Anon representatives said that Anon wasn't involved.

Sony is pointing fingers, just another reason not to buy anything from them.

You obviously have not read this article properly.
It says that Sony admits that the file could have been placed by another group to place blame on anon.

Sorry, you are quite right. There was the line saying that Sony does believe that it could not be Anon. But that was one little line, in the face of a massive misleading title, can you blame me for thinking back to the title then putting that? I would think that Sony releasing a timeline about the attack would be enough to draw people in without blaming Anon like a slow day at The Daily Bugle and the need to blame Spiderman for a heatwave.

You gotta watch out for the Escapist with that kinda stuff. The headline that bears little relationship to the substance of the article or the underlying facts. But they ain't the only guilty party. It's a three-card monte trick played by most all of the gaming news press. I guess they gotta catch those eyeballs by hook or crook.

 

[Popido]

I meant that the person who claims to be anonymous is both the definition of anonymous, and part of the "group", seeing there are no restrictions from membership besides "being anonymous" and saying you are.

Which group? You know the group that took down PSN? Because if you did, that would be really helpful.

Gah, the "Group" which people keep referring to as "anonymous". Of course I don't know who took down my PSN or i would be phoning the cops.

AnonOps? WWP? Chanology? AnonIran? What other features did they have than being anonymous?

OT: Interestingly enough for a group with no leaders, the article did say that Anon representatives said that Anon wasn't involved.

Its a voluntier job. Well..more of an duty.... Last one to raise hand has to write an essay and present it to media.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

If it was Anonymous, you'd think they'd do something a little grander to announce their involvement. Like they've done with basically everything else.

Save for the fact that this would make the public REALLY hate them. Remember how they backed off when they were denying PS3 users access to online play? They said they were sorry, and that they'd stop. If they are found to be responsible for this, then they've lost all support and they know it. It was probably a splinter group and Anonymous is trying their best to distance themselves from it.

On Topic: Does anyone else see the humor in the fact that Anonymous has representatives? Does that qualify as irony? Anyway, all I really care about at the moment is when PSN will be back up and running. I have a new PS3 and I need to sync it up with my old account, but I can't as long as this keeps going on.

 

[Black Phoenix]

Bull shit. If any fingers were pointing at Anon they would have popped out and said 'HAH AH WE DID IT!" not leave a file telling you the anon motto. The only finger pointing at Anon is a finger owned by sony that put the file there; if it even existed(no one say conspiracy companies can still lie) and again if anon had hacked sony we would have heard about it from anon via public release.

Are you forgetting that Sony called in not one, not two, but three independent forensic examiners? All those parties are in on a conspiracy to frame Anonymous? Possible, but not likely.

So its impossible for sony to leave a file in there for when one of the firms checks? they turn it in and make like it was found?

While i wouldn't put it past a few entities to lie to people i would say all that would be needed was sony to make a file, leave it in the path of the firms check ups, wait for them to find it, BAM instant scapegoat.

I think that multiple experts in computer and data forensics would be able to figure out whether a file was placed by an intruder or by the owner of the server. There'd be fingerprints and footprints all over the place. But if you're happy believing in tinfoil hat conspiracies, suit yourself. What ever makes you happy.

Plus the fact that Sony didn't know the hack had even taken place until after the event. Surely these security companies would have been able to check when the file was made.

Besides, if Sony really wanted to implicate Anonymous, I would think they'd be far more sophisticated about it than leaving a simple file on their servers.

 

[JDKJ]

Bull shit. If any fingers were pointing at Anon they would have popped out and said 'HAH AH WE DID IT!" not leave a file telling you the anon motto. The only finger pointing at Anon is a finger owned by sony that put the file there; if it even existed(no one say conspiracy companies can still lie) and again if anon had hacked sony we would have heard about it from anon via public release.

Are you forgetting that Sony called in not one, not two, but three independent forensic examiners? All those parties are in on a conspiracy to frame Anonymous? Possible, but not likely.

So its impossible for sony to leave a file in there for when one of the firms checks? they turn it in and make like it was found?

While i wouldn't put it past a few entities to lie to people i would say all that would be needed was sony to make a file, leave it in the path of the firms check ups, wait for them to find it, BAM instant scapegoat.

I think that multiple experts in computer and data forensics would be able to figure out whether a file was placed by an intruder or by the owner of the server. There'd be fingerprints and footprints all over the place. But if you're happy believing in tinfoil hat conspiracies, suit yourself. What ever makes you happy.

Plus the fact that Sony didn't know the hack had even taken place until after the event. Surely these security companies would have been able to check when the file was made.

Besides, if Sony really wanted to implicate Anonymous, I would think they'd be far more sophisticated about it than leaving a simple file on their servers.

That's the beauty of conspiracy theories. The conspiracy theorist never has to fully and logically explain their theory. They can always say, "It's a conspiracy!! By definition they take place in secret!! How am I supposed to have all the facts!! I can't!!"