Sony to PS3 Detractors: Go Sell Razor Blades

[scotth266]

Stop putting words in my mouth. It was his distinction, not mine, that ruled out the games. he was the one who said Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, inFAMOUS and White Knight Chronicles didn't count, so I applied the same logic to the 360's catalogue. I never said the 360 lacked anything good - I'm quite partial to Mass Effect and Dead Rising, and am glad their sequels are going multiplatform - I was simply pointing out what he was saying.

And I say they are matched evenly in qunatity of quality, but the fact that more of the stuff on the PsN is a more artistic and creative lot - Noby Noby Boy, Flower, Pixeljunk Eden, Linger in the Shadows - gives it the edge. Thus, in terms of great games, if we're factoring in creativity and innovation, the PsN is simply better.

Who is putting words in whose mouth exactly? I'm getting a little confused here.
I didn't even mention some of those games.
And once again, don't use future titles as a basis for an argument. Even games that do well in Japan can fail in the US due to crap translation/voice acting, so I include WKC in this list. The point I'm trying to make is this: all games, until they are released, score a 0/0. Until they come out, reserve thy judgement, for better or poorer. You can have hope, sure: but don't assume that a game will be perfect, or you're no better than the fanboys that ripped Edge a new one for not scoring KZ2 higher, even though they offered up reasons why it was ranked down.

Linger in Shadows isn't really a game: it's interactive art. I believe the comment at the start says so.

That important distinction aside, you have a point in that PSN has more bizzare titles than XBLA. I just wanted you to realize that each service offers different sorts of games to download, much like different flavors of ice cream. They all taste equally delicious in the end. You just happen to favor one over the others. That's your perogative.

Also, you seem to have some sort of 360 vendetta going down here: in my past posts, I've attempted to also bring up Wii examples to avoid being labeled a fanboy of any particular console, but you have dismissed these by not replying to them in the least. That's how it seems anyway.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I keep reading these 360 vs PS3 posts and I wonder why any of you bothered to buy a new console when one breaks ALL the time and the other is a glorified movie player with no games.

Sure you might have a favourite, but they're both decent machines, and really, when you have roughly equivalent technology, and quit it, because with the 360 and PS3, you DO have it, the main reason to choose is the games you want to play.

I will say however, I don't feel the current technology warrants a Blu Ray for gaming, and I feel few games will utilise the space, except for FMV, and that's not making the game better really. Also, from a developer POV, if they keep the game reasonably small, they can release it multi format for more money, it's why so much came out PS2/Xbox in the last gen.

I have neither, but I've spent a reasonable amount of time playing both, and given the choice I'd get a 360, for price and the temptation of Dead Rising, and Beautiful Katamari.

Still, if I was richer I'd have both, having had a PS2 for ages, I trust the PS3 to be a fine piece of kit.

 

[Meado]

I really, really hope someone makes a game for the PS3 called "Razor Blade".

 

[midpipps]

I think all the consoles have their merits. Personally I play my PS3 more but that is because I like the controller more so I buy most multi-plats on PS3 unless I hear of game breaking issues. (never regretted buying it for a second and I bought it on launch day)

The Xbox and PS3 both have amazing exclusives. ( I think this argument of Halo or Killzone/ Metal Gear or Gears of war is old and tired I choose to have both I enjoy the pleasures of both systems) Yes I like some games more then the others but those are opinions and not something I need to spout from the highest mountain saying everyone must listen to me. I do not have an HD TV so that is not a system seller.

The Wii is great for when I have a large group of people over it has some of the best party games to play that are easy to get family and friends to play real quick has some great exclusives also.

I saved money and bought both between change jars and other jobs Christmas savings and such.(Main Job is for paying house bills etc.) My big problem here is even if the price drops and sony takes even more of a hit on each console the more then likely scenario is people will still complain it is too much. The worst part is most the people that complain so much will not buy a ps3 anyways because they have this vendetta about the system. Yes it is more then the other systems but it also has alot more new technology. (You don't go looking at a flat screen TV or a computer with the latest and greatest specs or that brand new core i7 that intel spent oodles developing. to be the same price as the other ones?)

What price would the ps3 have to get to for you to say it is a good deal and actually buy one? Why do people have to put down a system because they can't afford it? (this point always bugged me since most people that bought a 360 probably saved for it so why not save for a ps3? and if you did impulse buy a 360 cause you just so happened to have that much cash next time put that money away and save a little more and you can have the ps3 too and enjoy games on both.) Working on saving up for a nice TV now yeah it will be a little while but that tv will be all the more sweeter when I get it.

This whole console war is a big pile of poo. Save some money do a few extra odd and end jobs and buy whichever system you don't currently own if you want. Enjoy both systems for the games they have and when multiplats and such come out pick the console you like the best or quit complaining about a console that you probably don't plan on buying anyways. Also PS3 fanboys quit fricking trying to push your console on others. Talk about Games/Story Lines/Gameplay/Controls/FUN which is what these systems are made for is enjoyment.

Extremely Sorry for the wall of text these arguments are just getting so old. Makes gamers look childish. Which most are not.
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[ElArabDeMagnifico]

With all this bad press that sony gets about the PS3, they could make the thing 20 dollars and it still wouldn't sell very well.

Exaggeration, but I think you get my point.

You have to work with supply and demand. We don't have that "Materializer" from star trek. Actually, thank goodness we don't.

 

[Aesthetical Quietus]

Sony to PS3 Detractors: Go Sell Razor Blades

Analysts and game publishers are turning up the pressure for a price cut to the floundering PlayStation 3 [http://www.playstation.com] console but as far as Sony is concerned they can all get bent.

Xbox 360 [http://www.sony.com] continues to make slow but steady progress.

"You can't ignore the guy who has half the market," said going to Nintendo [http://www.easports.com] platforms.

Pacific Crest Securities [http://www.janco.com/], who said, "The publishers need the PS3 install base to grow in order for most of these games to be profitable."

It's a refrain Sony may be getting tired of hearing, if the response of SCEA [http://www.us.playstation.com/] Marketing Vice President Peter Dille is any indication. Sony is well aware of the size of the PS3 user base and the questions about the system's profitability, he said, but has no immediate plans for a price cut despite the clamor. "Everybody in the development community would love for the PS3 to be free, so they could just sell razor blades," he said.

It's not all bad news for the company: PlayStation 3 exclusives like Gears of War [http://www.killzone.com/] franchise, said publishers who shift away from the PlayStation 3 risk losing out. "You make very good money on PlayStation 3 if you develop a good game," he said. "You can very easily take that game to Xbox 360 or PC."

And regardless of Dille's protest, Hickey predicts a price cut of $50-100 in either March or April, a cut that would be good news for publishers but much tougher to swallow for Sony, which is still manufacturing the PlayStation 3 at a loss. "It's an easy equation for [publishers]," Wilson added, "but it's very different from the one that Sony has to take on."

Which leaves just one question: What the hell does selling razor blades have to do with it?

Source: Bloomberg [http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aLi3FF13LuVI&refer=japan]


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For those that don't know, the Razor Blade Analogy is to with the fact that the handles of Razor Blades[ie the bit you grip, and I'm talking specifically about rechargable one's], are made and sold at a loss, they don't make the slightest bit of profit of it, which is the same as with the PS3. Meanwhile the Razor Blade recharges are heavily over-priced and make a lot of profit, such as the games that get sold for the PS3, hence the term "Go sell Razor Blades".
[PS, Analogy is such a weird word if you break it up].

 

[Legion]

Stubborn Sony. If you had priced your console reasonably then I probably would own a PS3 rather than a 360 right now. I simply will not pay extra for blu-ray when I have no interest in it. Shame, but oh well.

Its way more than just blu ray that the ps3 has going for it; i have 5-6 friends who were either die hard Wii or 360 fans, who subsequently bought a ps3 (for exclusive titles like MGS4 and FFVS13) and they all wondered why the hell they didnt get a ps3 in the first place. All other gamers stuck on other systems would no doubt feel this way if they put aside fanboyism (such as generic remarks about the ps3 only "having blu ray in its favour" ) and bought the tecnically best system, which also offers the best value for money

Sorry but you seem to be the fanboy here for these simple reasons:

1: You can't take a genuine criticism of something you like - I never said that blu-ray is all it has going for it. I said that I am not willing to fork out an extra £100 for a feature I never wanted in the first place.

2: You automatically assume that anybody who doesn't have the same taste as you is a fanboy.

3: You defended the console depsite the fact I never attacked it.

 

[Brokkr]

Stubborn Sony. If you had priced your console reasonably then I probably would own a PS3 rather than a 360 right now. I simply will not pay extra for blu-ray when I have no interest in it. Shame, but oh well.

My sentiments exactly. I'm not interested in the Blu-ray at this time and am just not willing to fork over the extra money. I had a PS1 and a PS2, but went with the Xbox 360 this time around simply because of price.

So you honestly have no interest in LittleBigPlanet, Metal Gear Solid 4, or Killzone 2?

LittleBigPlanet looked fun to me, but I know that I would never use the level creater. I've never played the Metal Gear games. Killzone 2 looks like a lot of fun. I really loved the first 2 God of War games and I wish that I could play the 3rd, however that just isn't enough to warrant getting another console for me.

 

[scotth266]

Look at what he said, in the context I gave. I was pointing out he was setting such an absurdly high bar it meant that none of the 360's games managed to qualify as "good". This, in a nutshell, is how I got a reputation.

I can sort of agree with you given the examples, but that said, there is a point where it becomes simply pretending it doesn't exist until its on the shelves. Heavy Rain, inFAMOUS and God Of War III have all shown us some amazing looking in game footage that both proves the game has substance and that the idea works (the combat parts of the Epic trailer were in game combat with the prompts removed). Really, all thats left is for them to add the finishing touches - why can't we say its awesome? Sounds to me like not being allowed to say your wife is beautiful until you have sex. And Trico and Gran Turismo 5....these studios have never made a less than fantastic game, so saying they will suddenly stop doing things right is stretching reason just a little (Before you bring up Rare, Free Radical, etc, notice how these people had major staff changes preceeding their failure).

Meh, I agree to disagree on that point. I distinctly remember Lair being a killer app for the PS3's release, with all those sweet trailers and such... and look how that turned out.
Once again, you're allowed to hope: I'm hoping that Batman: AA turns out to be good, and the trailers look sick as hell, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna rush out and proclaim it the best Batman game ever.
As for the proven studios, the fact that you've yet to make a stinker isn't much to bandy about. That you haven't messed up yet only increases the chances of something going wrong. Murphy's Law still applies in all situations.
As for your high bar, I agree with you that the other things you gave that are out shouldn't have been ignored... but regardless I think you're wrong with your previous comment. The 360 has its own heavyweights that easily go toe to toe with the PS3's. If they're not your style, well, that's why you have a PS3 instead. But simply dismissing them as being less awesome than the three games listed by Simriel out of hand makes you seem a bit silly.

 

[oliveira8]

And THIS is exactly why I will never buy a PS3.

Fuck. You. Sony. If I meet any of those executives, I am pimpslapping them European style.

After Sony statments of making the PS3 harder to develop on purpose so they wont have bad games and say they wont cut the PS3 price, I came to the conclusion that the owner of Sony is no other than...

Spoiler

Yup Uncle Scrooge! ^^

......SLANDER!
GOOD SIR THAT IS SLANDER TO ASSOCIATE SCROOGE TO SONY!
PISTOLS AT DAWN! GMT!

But its the truth! I saw it with my own eyes!

The funny thing with the whole PS3 vs Xbox 360 is the fact that theres a Nitendo Wii laughing at both. Considering its a console with no Blue ray or fancy graphics it has managed to sell more than the Xbox360 or PS3.

 

[The Black Adder]

Metal Gear Solid 4 is a Blu-ray disc full of movies with a few game play segments scattered here and there. Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 are both inferior to Gears of War 2 and Halo 3. Most other PS3 games can also be had on the 360. That leaves only LittleBigPlanet as a killer exclusive for the PS3. Your opinions of that game aside, that's still only ONE killer exclusive.

So you never played MGS4, Either Killzone II or Resistance II, and only know that the 360 doesn't have something like LBP yet.

Also you missed Folklore, Valkyria Chronicles, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk, Disgaea 3, Uncharted, Noby Noby Boy, Eye of Judgement, Genji, Lumines Supernova, Nova Strike, Gran Turismo, Yakuza 3.

Not to mention up coming God of War 3, FFXIII 13 Versus, inFamous, Ratchet and Clank Future 2, Uncharted 3, Super Robot Wars, Shin Megami Tensai, Massive Action Game, Resistance 3, Sly Cooper, The Super Hero MMO, all the other MMO there releasing on it, Beyond Good and Evil 2, Fat Princess.
Possible Jak and Daxter, Dark Cloud 3, Legend of Dragoon 2, a Tales of game, Persona, .Hack, and Kingdom Hearts 3

And keep in mind these are only the ones I remember, and can you see the variety? we have SRPGs, Sandbox, FPS, TPS, JRPGs, MMOs, Interactive games, Widgit games, Action RPGs, Platformers, and Action-Adventure all lined up here.

Totally nothing. Nope not one intresting or unique gem.

Oh wait thats right. I guess the 360 DOES have SRW XO, which was just a ported Gamecube game that tanked and thus probably shuns the 360 from Banpresto work. And well... Hm I guess Saints Row if you don't wanna play it's vastly superior sequel. Fabel 2's horrendous gameplay issues, not to mention design issues.

And of course that's only exclusive, you can get the same Multi-platform games the 360 has. OR you could buy the majority of 360 games on the PC, which really doesn't make them exclusives now does it?

They have Halo Wars I guess, but then if I ever wanted to screw myself by playing an RTS on a console I would get Command and Conquer 3 and use the PS3's supported Keyboard and mouse.

WAKE UP PEOPLE! It is NOT 2006 anymore! You are blinding yourself with prejudice, hatred, and probably shallow pockets. Which is PERFECTLY FINE! Nobody is saying you have to buy a PS3, I'm not saying it and frankly if your stance is to wait for a price cut, wait for the damn price cut that's good for you!

But when you make stupid ridiculous posts as the one I quoted your just insulting, my intelligence, your own intelligence, and the intelligence of everyone reading. ALL consoles have good games that make them stand out. If you say otherwise you are an idiot, a blind idiot locked in dislike of a product!

As for Blu-Ray I personally don't own any movies.

But if this is an indication it is a NOTICABLE difference.


Animation from the 80's people, big difference. At least for animated works. (I used Zeta Gundam as the Example cause I couldn't find many other comparison videos using Animation)

As for Blu-Ray I just picked up a copy of Full Metal Jacket on blu-ray. And I must say that I'm amazaed. So much better quality than DVD.

 

[The Black Adder]

"If you had priced your console reasonably then I probably would own a PS3 rather than a 360 right now."

The price is reasonable, that Sony still takes a loss and sells it is reasonable.

"I'm not interested in the Blu-ray at this time and am just not willing to fork over the extra money."

As a PS3 owner with a HDTV, I could care less about Blu ray, I didn't buy it for Blu ray. I bought it because it had a built in wireless, hard drive, rechargable controllers, a low failure rate, and free online content. I don't have to pay $50 a year to play Warhawk (which is roughly the PS3 equivalanet to Halo 3). Blu ray is more of a bonus, not a major selling point.

The cheapest Xbox is $199. Once you add in a HD ($70-$150), a wireless network adapter ($50), pay for Xbox live ($50/year), hybrid rayovack NiMH Alkaline batteries ($10) you are already up to $380. A whopping $19 difference from the cheapest PS3. Then if you purchase Xbox live for another year, you are over the price of the PS3.

Then there's the fact that I don't have to screw with rechargable batteries for the PS3. I also don't have to worry about my discs being scratched and ruining my games, and I don't have to worry about my PS3 dying and having to send it back to be repaired.

So I just don't understand the cost argument against the PS3, since I would have to pay more to get the same features with the Xbox 360. So maybe there's something I'm missing, but features like having to buy a hard drive, paying for xbox live, having to buy a wireless network adapter, and failure rates were things that I thought about when buying a PS3 or Xbox 360. The PS3 seems like a better deal to me. At the time I also thought Play TV was coming to the U.S., it's a shame that it didn't.

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Okay, stop. Just stop. That argument about the comparative pricing is tired and flawed. I own all three systems, and while the PS3 is the best hardware wise, my 360 beats it on pretty much all other fronts. I pay for live because live is a MUCH MUCH MUCH more user friendly interface than the PSN. Hands down, no contest. I'll pay for that convenience.

Now, let's look over your math here. HD upgrade? Don't need it, don't want it, dying disc format anyway. Since it isn't bundled with the system and it isn't necessary to run it, it doesn't count. Sorry, but it's true.
Wireless network adapter? I'll give you that one, as I use a cheap one for my own wireless network. But it is worth pointing out that the ethernet port on the back works just as well. So we're up to ($50) assuming we're going with a good quality adapter.
Xbox live? Okay, I'll grant that one too since I bought it. My brother gets by with splitscreen co-op and system link lans just fine, but whatever. So we're up to ($100) dollars.
What area are you from that $10 is a reasonable price for 2 AA batteries? No sir, let's cut that down to about ($3). Once again though that isn't necessary. I get by just fine on my wired controllers. The wire is so long I've never run out of room with it. I come from a day when a game controller had wires, so I have no problem with this. So let's drop that too.

A more realistic price for a 360 compared to a cheap PS3 is 199.99 + 103.00 = $302.99 Vs. a $400 cheap PS3. But honestly it sounds like you're the sort who is talking bells and whistles and let's face it, most of us want to play our old PS1 and 2 library. So what we're talking here is roughly $300 vs. $500.00

Also, you don't have to buy a HDD. My 20G that came with the system works just fine. It isn't a PC, I don't need music on it.

But think of how much money you are going to spend on Xbox LIVE, since a lot of you guys seem to value multiplayer. The PS3 multiplayer and communtiy is free.

 

[The Black Adder]

*sighs* Sony for some reason seem to be trying to sell their ridiculously priced console on the exclusive games. But lets face it are 3 good exclusives and a Blu Ray player most people wont use enough to justify shelling out that cash?
(the games i mean are Killzone 2, MGS4, and GOW3 none of which I'm interested in, but a lot of people like)

Well if thats the criteria, the Ps3 really stacks up well against the 360, which has no decent games and never will have any decent games in any form, and just sits there, getting broken and more useless.

Hey look. The fanboy alarm. Lets ring it. AWOOGA AWOOGA!

Ummm, yeah? What, are you trying to be clever, it's common knowledge that Indigo_Dingo is the president of the PS3 fanboys division. We're having trouble with the PC division, and we don't have anyone in the 360 or Wii division so far. Want to join up? We've got excellent dental plans and 401k's!

But if I may note something for a bit, I see that people are saying that hte PS3 has no good games. The problem is is that you people are mixing up games that you're not interested in with games the PS3 has overall. Omni made a large list on Ps3 exclusive games, but someone said "Only one of them interests me.", but that wasn't his point on the whole list. It doesn't matter if you personally don't have an interest in it, but nobody can deny any longer that the PS3 has games. You can deny that you don't have an personal interst in those games, but the volume is still there, you can't deny that.

People are stuck in 2006, flip over the 6 and you'll have the current situation. It may not be flowers and daisies for the PS3, but it sure is a hell of a lot better than it was in 2006.

What are you talking about, half the kids on this forum are Xbox360 fanboys.

 

[The Black Adder]

If the Xbox is SO much better, then pray tell, what are these amazing games that are coming out that aren't going to be on PS3? Halo 7? Gears of War 12?

 

[spyrewolf]

"If you had priced your console reasonably then I probably would own a PS3 rather than a 360 right now."

The price is reasonable, that Sony still takes a loss and sells it is reasonable.

"I'm not interested in the Blu-ray at this time and am just not willing to fork over the extra money."

As a PS3 owner with a HDTV, I could care less about Blu ray, I didn't buy it for Blu ray. I bought it because it had a built in wireless, hard drive, rechargable controllers, a low failure rate, and free online content. I don't have to pay $50 a year to play Warhawk (which is roughly the PS3 equivalanet to Halo 3). Blu ray is more of a bonus, not a major selling point.

The cheapest Xbox is $199. Once you add in a HD ($70-$150), a wireless network adapter ($50), pay for Xbox live ($50/year), hybrid rayovack NiMH Alkaline batteries ($10) you are already up to $380. A whopping $19 difference from the cheapest PS3. Then if you purchase Xbox live for another year, you are over the price of the PS3.

Then there's the fact that I don't have to screw with rechargable batteries for the PS3. I also don't have to worry about my discs being scratched and ruining my games, and I don't

have to worry about my PS3 dying and having to send it back to be repaired.

So I just don't understand the cost argument against the PS3, since I would have to pay more to get the same features with the Xbox 360. So maybe there's something I'm missing, but features like having to buy a hard drive, paying for xbox live, having to buy a wireless network adapter, and failure rates were things that I thought about when buying a PS3 or Xbox 360. The PS3 seems like a better deal to me. At the time I also thought Play TV was coming to the U.S., it's a shame that it didn't.

Edit:spelling

Amen Brother, most people miss this fact, and the $19 dollar price point is nothing, especially when you also got a bluray player in it also. people still say it's expensive, but if you put all the stuff that the ps3 has in your xbox your gonna pay the same amount, - have free gaming service is awesome, people say its not as good, which again is arguable, considering PSN gets updated regularly if sony added cross game chat among a few other thing and got its PSN on par with MS, MS would have no choice but to make it free, (which it should be) subscription based on line should be for the realms of MMORPG's only.

online games still run fine, online games still play with out a hitch. PS3 is looking great i 2009 gameswise, if sony want to knock it out of the park, they should

a.) update PSN's features to match XBL,
b.) release the 3d gaming/movies they teased at CES (firmware).
c.)lower the console by $100

If the Xbox is SO much better, then pray tell, what are these amazing games that are coming out that aren't going to be on PS3? Halo 7? Gears of War 12?

from what i've seen the xbox only has alan wake, and DLC this year, unless they're saving up for GDC, microsoft only really has games that are multiplat this year that are gonna be good.

also on that note Ninja gaiden 2 just went sigma 2 on the ps3.

 

[Jumplion]

If the Xbox is SO much better, then pray tell, what are these amazing games that are coming out that aren't going to be on PS3? Halo 7? Gears of War 12?

from what i've seen the xbox only has alan wake, and DLC this year, unless they're saving up for GDC, microsoft only really has games that are multiplat this year that are gonna be good.

also on that note Ninja gaiden 2 just went sigma 2 on the ps3.

Guys guys, you have to be more subtle in your insulting. Even Indigo_Dingo was subtle, in a weird sort of ironic, hypocritical, facecious kind of tone.

 

[oliveira8]

If the Xbox is SO much better, then pray tell, what are these amazing games that are coming out that aren't going to be on PS3? Halo 7? Gears of War 12?

The sound of hoof beats 'cross the glade.
Good folk, lock up your son and daughter.
Beware the deadly flashing blade,
Unless you want to end up shorter.

Black Adder, Black Adder. He rides a pitch black steed.
Black Adder, Black Adder. He's very bad indeed.

(Sorry the urge was to much.)

 

[y8c616]

Stubborn Sony. If you had priced your console reasonably then I probably would own a PS3 rather than a 360 right now. I simply will not pay extra for blu-ray when I have no interest in it. Shame, but oh well.

Its way more than just blu ray that the ps3 has going for it; i have 5-6 friends who were either die hard Wii or 360 fans, who subsequently bought a ps3 (for exclusive titles like MGS4 and FFVS13) and they all wondered why the hell they didnt get a ps3 in the first place. All other gamers stuck on other systems would no doubt feel this way if they put aside fanboyism (such as generic remarks about the ps3 only "having blu ray in its favour" ) and bought the tecnically best system, which also offers the best value for money

Sorry but you seem to be the fanboy here for these simple reasons:

1: You can't take a genuine criticism of something you like - I never said that blu-ray is all it has going for it. I said that I am not willing to fork out an extra £100 for a feature I never wanted in the first place.

2: You automatically assume that anybody who doesn't have the same taste as you is a fanboy.

3: You defended the console depsite the fact I never attacked it.

You saying that you're not willing to fork out £100 for blu ray suggests that you think blu ray is the ps3's only distinguishing feature, which is untrue, therefore an attack. I'm no fanboy, im well aware that the ps3 isn't perfect (they need to lower the price, and could have taken a leaf out of MS's book by releasing different versions of the console to cater for different budgets) But from a purely technological standpoint the ps3 is superior. That's a fact, not fanboyism.

 

[squid5580]

WTF is the problem????? Seriously you like what you like. Love your PS3 then love it. Got the 360? Enjoy it!!!! Neither is perfect. Both play games. Who the hell is anyone on these boards to tell someone else thier console is better or worse than the others? Here is an idea, stop fanning the flame wars, pick up your controller, and enjoy what you have. We are gamers, so game, don't come to forums and act like arrogant douchebags because you think your little piece of technology that you had no hand in making is better than the next. Jesus all the time you guys waste in these ridiculous debates (no debates is wrong, time spent with your heads up your asses) is time away from doing what you are so in love with. GAMING.