Sony to PS3 Detractors: Go Sell Razor Blades

[DeleteMe1112311]

I regret buying a PS3 because I believe I have played a total of 3 games on it and have watched one movie. The only exclusive game was MGS 4. I'm seriously considering selling my PS3 if I can pull it off...

Edit: To be fair, there are good games on the PS3 that are exclusive. But none are truly innovative enough to warrant an overly expensive console. The PS3 does provide higher graphics then the Xbox but it costs far too much for a slight graphical upgrade. The PS3 does not offer any innovative games like the wii does either and does not have more then a couple games that provide enough originality to make them different from other games of the same genre.

Note: I'm writing this in bed falling asleep and as such the sentences in it are probably fairly awkwardly written. My apologies in advance.

 

[oliveira8]

According to the Wikipedia sales chart the Nitendo DS worldwide has sold 96.22 million units worldwide. More than the Wii, the Xbox 360 and PS3 combined...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitendo_ds#Sales

Hmm also another thing. At the end of the year of 2008 :

The Wii sold 49.9 Million units.
The Xbox 360 sold 27.93 Million units.
The Ps3 sold 21.3 Million units.

Both the sales of the 360 and PS3 make up the Wii sales....and you guys spend time on PS3 vs Xbox 360 while the Nitendo didnt waste billions of dollars into making a super console with fancy visuals, hard drives and blue ray.

Nitendo has ***** slapped Sony and Microsoft in one stroke, and made more money with their Wii then MS and Sony with their super consoles.

 

[bridgerbot]

I received several replies to my first post, I will address a couple of these replies.

oh and everybody who buys a console these days clearly has an HD-TV, and needs wireless in order to play games online.

If the Xbox and PS3 can't do the same things, then in my mind you are comparing apples and oranges. If your argument is that the PS3 should have its price lowered by removing features and hardware such as the hard drive and wireless internet, that's a valid statement. However I don't think it makes sense to compare the cheapest Xbox 360 and cheapest PS3 unless these units can do the same things.

On the HD-TV comment, I was saying I had a HD-TV and didn't care at all about Blu Ray. It's nice, but that in and of itself isn't going to persuade me to buy the console over an equivalent product without Blu Ray.

And do people only buy rechargeable batteries because they have a game controller? I doubt that, so why does that even factor into costs?

So your point is that everyone has excess rechargable batteries laying around, and no one has the minimum number that they need to run their stuff. I do not agree with you, since at least a few (maybe all) of the Xbox 360 owners I know have had to make a trip to the store after the fact to purchase rechargables, which means all Xbox 360 owners don't have spare rechargables lying around. Rechargable batteries are a fair cost to give to the Xbox 360.

Oh, and the one time my 360 bricked 2 years ago I got it repaired for free.

So Microsoft pays shipping both ways? That's nice of them. I haven't seen a company I've RMA'd a product to do that before.

What area are you from that $10 is a reasonable price for 2 AA batteries?

Well if you are gonna get rechargables, you might as well get the good ones, a AAA 4 pack of Rayovac Hybrid rechargables is $10. I can't buy just two of these, and I haven't found them cheaper anywhere else.

I'm curious as to why people do furiously dispute my battery remarks.

Now, let's look over your math here. HD upgrade? Don't need it, don't want it, dying disc format anyway. Since it isn't bundled with the system and it isn't necessary to run it, it doesn't count. Sorry, but it's true.
Wireless network adapter? I'll give you that one, as I use a cheap one for my own wireless network. But it is worth pointing out that the ethernet port on the back works just as well. So we're up to ($50) assuming we're going with a good quality adapter.
Xbox live? Okay, I'll grant that one too since I bought it. My brother gets by with splitscreen co-op and system link lans just fine, but whatever. So we're up to ($100) dollars.

So most of the features that I mentioned, you agree that you'd purchase. Ultimately, the Xbox 360 is not going to cost you the only $199. You may not care about having a Hard Drive, I definitely do, as I find loading from a disc to be somewhat tedious, and yes, I will pay money to reduce loading times.

Some people don't care about wireless network adapters and are happy running wires through their house.

Again, I understand the argument of "pull hardware and features out of the PS3 to make it cheaper". That's actually a good demand. It makes sense to meet that demand if that's what people want. That's not the argument I'm seeing though, I'm seeing "drop the price of the PS3 so it's closer to the Xbox 360 and the Wii"

I don't understand that argument, as they just compared two things that don't do the same things, and I have to put money into the Xbox 360 to make it comparable to the PS3.

 

[Neosage]

wot i liek s3d!

Mass Effect 2 is a multiplat.
Alan Wake has yet to show gameplay footgae. That would be fine, but its been talked about for 4 years. Vapourware?
Cry on=http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/941/941071p1.html
APB is only PC - if there's a 360 version there will be a Ps3 version.
Splinter Cell COnviction is 2010 at the earliest (and never if the world is lucky)

Final Fantasy Versus XIII is 2010.
You're missing Afrika and Eyepet
Yakuza 3 won't be seeing the west til 2010 at the very earliest.

Well Mass Effect isn't coming out on PS3

What are you basing that on?

The fact the first didn't come out on PS3 and this: [link]http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4783.html[/link] besides I think they would at least make Mass Effect for the PS3 first and that isn't going to happen as of what I have heard. Unless you have some brand new exciting news on a surprise announcement from Bioware?

No new news, just old news that you keep forgetting - EA confirmed the game is going multiplatform.

If you will show me the evidence that Mass Effect 2 is definatley coming out on the PS3?

I don't - you just have to give a reliable source that its not, and until then we go with the more likely idea, that EA are in fact doing what they said and it is going multiplatform.

What? That is like saying if there is no evidence to not support me baking a cookie, you just assume I will because the people who make the cookie tins confirm that I might make some chocolate muffins.

I got a link from Kotaku

http://kotaku.com/5145813/mass-effect-2-coming-in-2010-will-be-multiplatform

There is no SPECIFICS it will be PS3 or just 360 and PC,but it still opens up the option for debate.

Regardless the original point being debated (will Mass Effect 2 be Multi-Platform) is confirmed as Yes, because it is definitly coming out on the PC.

The fact that they specified that it will be multiplatform specifically when the first was on the said platforms and never specified as such raises a few questions.

Fair point, although this is EA we are talking about aside from the fact they don't actually make the game, it would be interesting to see why Bioware haven't mention the fabled ps3 release. At all. Ever.

 

[oliveira8]

wot i liek s3d!

Mass Effect 2 is a multiplat.
Alan Wake has yet to show gameplay footgae. That would be fine, but its been talked about for 4 years. Vapourware?
Cry on=http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/941/941071p1.html
APB is only PC - if there's a 360 version there will be a Ps3 version.
Splinter Cell COnviction is 2010 at the earliest (and never if the world is lucky)

Final Fantasy Versus XIII is 2010.
You're missing Afrika and Eyepet
Yakuza 3 won't be seeing the west til 2010 at the very earliest.

Well Mass Effect isn't coming out on PS3

What are you basing that on?

The fact the first didn't come out on PS3 and this: [link]http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4783.html[/link] besides I think they would at least make Mass Effect for the PS3 first and that isn't going to happen as of what I have heard. Unless you have some brand new exciting news on a surprise announcement from Bioware?

No new news, just old news that you keep forgetting - EA confirmed the game is going multiplatform.

If you will show me the evidence that Mass Effect 2 is definatley coming out on the PS3?

I don't - you just have to give a reliable source that its not, and until then we go with the more likely idea, that EA are in fact doing what they said and it is going multiplatform.

What? That is like saying if there is no evidence to not support me baking a cookie, you just assume I will because the people who make the cookie tins confirm that I might make some chocolate muffins.

I got a link from Kotaku

http://kotaku.com/5145813/mass-effect-2-coming-in-2010-will-be-multiplatform

There is no SPECIFICS it will be PS3 or just 360 and PC,but it still opens up the option for debate.

Regardless the original point being debated (will Mass Effect 2 be Multi-Platform) is confirmed as Yes, because it is definitly coming out on the PC.

The fact that they specified that it will be multiplatform specifically when the first was on the said platforms and never specified as such raises a few questions.

Fair point, although this is EA we are talking about aside from the fact they don't actually make the game and it would be interesting to see why Bioware haven't mention the fabled ps3 release. At all. Ever.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.98981

Aparently no Mass Effect 2 for the PS3.

 

[DeleteMe1112311]

I regret buying a PS3 because I believe I have played a total of 3 games on it and have watched one movie. The only exclusive game was MGS 4. I'm seriously considering selling my PS3 if I can pull it off...

Well then maybe you should buy/ rent more. I haven't watched any moves and I've played over 30 games!

Seriously that's YOUR fault for not having anything to play.

Its not my fault if the console does not have a wide enough variety. True, there are many games out for it. True, many of the games are good -- I'm willing to acknowledge that. But none of the games on the PS3 are good enough to warrant buying it. There are very few games that are exclusive the PS3 which provide a new enough experience to warrant buying the console or the games.

Note: This is my opinion, if you have a problem with it, please feel free to say something, I'm open to ideas and opinions as long as there is no anger and pretentiousness.

 

[Neosage]

Metal Gear Solid 4 is a Blu-ray disc full of movies with a few game play segments scattered here and there. Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 are both inferior to Gears of War 2 and Halo 3. Most other PS3 games can also be had on the 360. That leaves only LittleBigPlanet as a killer exclusive for the PS3. Your opinions of that game aside, that's still only ONE killer exclusive.

That's a $400 system with one must-play game. True, it has wireless built-in, and rechargeable controllers, and free online play. But here's the thing: if I don't want these things, I save money by getting a 360. If I do want these things, then I've spent the same amount of money with the added bonus of access to a much, much better software library.

The PS3 looks good under the hood, and if it was even $50 cheaper I would consider getting one (then I could take the savings and buy that one killer game). If it was $75 dollars cheaper, I'm sold. If it was $100 cheaper, it would be an absolute steal. As it stands right now, you can get a fully-loaded 360 for the same price and play much better actual games, not just tech demos posing as games. There is more to buying a console than bells and whistles (that's why you never buy at launch!); when you think of buying a console as buying a key to a software library, it's clear why Sony is losing.

AMEN TO THAT!

Amen to what? he's wrong AND biased.

Yeah Mr.Level250 Geek, I wouldn't have said it was the games that is the reason for the PS3's losses, merely the price combined with the fact it came out later than the 360 and at the same time as the Wii and the lack of good launch games, but I am not a PS3 owner so I can't really clarify these things.

 

[Neosage]

wot i liek s3d!

Mass Effect 2 is a multiplat.
Alan Wake has yet to show gameplay footgae. That would be fine, but its been talked about for 4 years. Vapourware?
Cry on=http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/941/941071p1.html
APB is only PC - if there's a 360 version there will be a Ps3 version.
Splinter Cell COnviction is 2010 at the earliest (and never if the world is lucky)

Final Fantasy Versus XIII is 2010.
You're missing Afrika and Eyepet
Yakuza 3 won't be seeing the west til 2010 at the very earliest.

Well Mass Effect isn't coming out on PS3

What are you basing that on?

The fact the first didn't come out on PS3 and this: [link]http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4783.html[/link] besides I think they would at least make Mass Effect for the PS3 first and that isn't going to happen as of what I have heard. Unless you have some brand new exciting news on a surprise announcement from Bioware?

No new news, just old news that you keep forgetting - EA confirmed the game is going multiplatform.

If you will show me the evidence that Mass Effect 2 is definatley coming out on the PS3?

I don't - you just have to give a reliable source that its not, and until then we go with the more likely idea, that EA are in fact doing what they said and it is going multiplatform.

What? That is like saying if there is no evidence to not support me baking a cookie, you just assume I will because the people who make the cookie tins confirm that I might make some chocolate muffins.

I got a link from Kotaku

http://kotaku.com/5145813/mass-effect-2-coming-in-2010-will-be-multiplatform

There is no SPECIFICS it will be PS3 or just 360 and PC,but it still opens up the option for debate.

Regardless the original point being debated (will Mass Effect 2 be Multi-Platform) is confirmed as Yes, because it is definitly coming out on the PC.

The fact that they specified that it will be multiplatform specifically when the first was on the said platforms and never specified as such raises a few questions.

Fair point, although this is EA we are talking about aside from the fact they don't actually make the game and it would be interesting to see why Bioware haven't mention the fabled ps3 release. At all. Ever.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.98981

Aparently no Mass Effect 2 for the PS3.

To be fair to Dingo and Omni they haven't confirmed that, not that I think they need to but...

 

[oliveira8]

wot i liek s3d!

Mass Effect 2 is a multiplat.
Alan Wake has yet to show gameplay footgae. That would be fine, but its been talked about for 4 years. Vapourware?
Cry on=http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/941/941071p1.html
APB is only PC - if there's a 360 version there will be a Ps3 version.
Splinter Cell COnviction is 2010 at the earliest (and never if the world is lucky)

Final Fantasy Versus XIII is 2010.
You're missing Afrika and Eyepet
Yakuza 3 won't be seeing the west til 2010 at the very earliest.

Well Mass Effect isn't coming out on PS3

What are you basing that on?

The fact the first didn't come out on PS3 and this: [link]http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4783.html[/link] besides I think they would at least make Mass Effect for the PS3 first and that isn't going to happen as of what I have heard. Unless you have some brand new exciting news on a surprise announcement from Bioware?

No new news, just old news that you keep forgetting - EA confirmed the game is going multiplatform.

If you will show me the evidence that Mass Effect 2 is definatley coming out on the PS3?

I don't - you just have to give a reliable source that its not, and until then we go with the more likely idea, that EA are in fact doing what they said and it is going multiplatform.

What? That is like saying if there is no evidence to not support me baking a cookie, you just assume I will because the people who make the cookie tins confirm that I might make some chocolate muffins.

I got a link from Kotaku

http://kotaku.com/5145813/mass-effect-2-coming-in-2010-will-be-multiplatform

There is no SPECIFICS it will be PS3 or just 360 and PC,but it still opens up the option for debate.

Regardless the original point being debated (will Mass Effect 2 be Multi-Platform) is confirmed as Yes, because it is definitly coming out on the PC.

The fact that they specified that it will be multiplatform specifically when the first was on the said platforms and never specified as such raises a few questions.

Fair point, although this is EA we are talking about aside from the fact they don't actually make the game and it would be interesting to see why Bioware haven't mention the fabled ps3 release. At all. Ever.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.98981

Aparently no Mass Effect 2 for the PS3.

I'm failing to see the words "No ps3 ever" there.

Dont you see the "Mass Effect 2 will be released for both platforms at the same time." and no PS3 in the entire article.

If Bioware is not releasing for the PS3 at the same time as the Xbox 360 and PC doesnt really mean that the PS3 will never see ME2..just means that the PS3 might see ME2 with a shaddy port.

 

[bridgerbot]

I regret buying a PS3 because I believe I have played a total of 3 games on it and have watched one movie. The only exclusive game was MGS 4. I'm seriously considering selling my PS3 if I can pull it off...

Well then maybe you should buy/ rent more. I haven't watched any moves and I've played over 30 games!

Seriously that's YOUR fault for not having anything to play.

Its not my fault if the console does not have a wide enough variety. True, there are many games out for it. True, many of the games are good -- I'm willing to acknowledge that. But none of the games on the PS3 are good enough to warrant buying it. There are very few games that are exclusive the PS3 which provide a new enough experience to warrant buying the console or the games.

Note: This is my opinion, if you have a problem with it, please feel free to say something, I'm open to ideas and opinions as long as there is no anger and pretentiousness.

Well you need to tell me what game genres you LIKE before I can refer anything, otherwise i'm shooting blindly.

Dito with that guy, if you need game suggestions, just say so. Have you tried Warhawk?

 

[DeleteMe1112311]

I regret buying a PS3 because I believe I have played a total of 3 games on it and have watched one movie. The only exclusive game was MGS 4. I'm seriously considering selling my PS3 if I can pull it off...

Well then maybe you should buy/ rent more. I haven't watched any moves and I've played over 30 games!

Seriously that's YOUR fault for not having anything to play.

Its not my fault if the console does not have a wide enough variety. True, there are many games out for it. True, many of the games are good -- I'm willing to acknowledge that. But none of the games on the PS3 are good enough to warrant buying it. There are very few games that are exclusive the PS3 which provide a new enough experience to warrant buying the console or the games.

Note: This is my opinion, if you have a problem with it, please feel free to say something, I'm open to ideas and opinions as long as there is no anger and pretentiousness.

Well you need to tell me what game genres you LIKE before I can refer anything, otherwise i'm shooting blindly.

Maybe I'm not conveying my point clearly (I do apologize if I'm not), though I certainly am up to suggestions for new games.

My point is not that the PS3 doesn't have a good genre of games. My point is that the exclusive games that it does offer are not innovative or original enough to warrent buying the console and the graphical upgrade that it offers is not worth the extra money and the loss of Xbox/Wii exclusive titles. But I understand that my opinion may be wrong and I'll answer your question in the hopes that you might make my outlook a more positive one. I myself do enjoy most games, prefferably WRPGS with some JRPGs (I don't prefer the usual turn-based system of combat) and I really enjoy a good FPS to answer your question.

 

[DeleteMe1112311]

The following quotes have been shortened to avoid having a massive post, I don't think I removed anything important to the points I am about to make.

LittleBigPlanet.
I believe thats pretty much shot the "less innovative" idea in the head.

I knew someone would bring it up and really, the only innovative thing in lbp is the ability to create user made content which, while fun, still relies entirely on the player base. I can see why it would be considered innovative, but relying on user made content really does not do a game well and unless you enjoy doing nothing but running, the game tends to get old fast. I have played it, I don't own it.

Noby Noby Boy and White Knight Chronicle definitly strike me as being innovative/original, the first is... well it's a Widjet game, and the second reinvents what Action-JRPG's are, then again it's by level-5 who are known for making kickass games.

On the 'Less Inovative' but still notable side we have Resistance II with it's large scale Multiplayer, and if MAG doesn't give us anything more than whats promised (over 200 people in combat) then although it's just numbers and more an improvment it's still notable.

the SIXAXIS is by no means unique or original, but I would have prefered Nintendo use the regular motion control over needing a sensor bar personally. It's been used quite umm... well I would say intrestingly, such as the Tornado gun in Ratchet and Clank, Flying in Ratchet and Clank, and well... Ratchet and Clank used the SIXAXIS well, though it took a while to get down.

Disgaea 3 is (like it's predecessors) a huge pardoy of SRPG tropes and Cliches, and while the graphics havent really improved it's still as fun as the others, going as over the top and bombastic as it can.

Valkyria Chronicles is an underrated GEM that got left in the dust by Sega not producing enough to fill a small store, but it seemingly crosses Sakurs Wars combat with shooter elements in an SRPG setting.

There are more but keep in mind i'm trying to cater to your likes here, I can recommend FUN games that aren't necissarily innovative. But then I don't feel anything on the 360 is any MORe innovative than the PS3, but again THAT is simply my opinion on the games I have played.

Its not that the 360 is more innovative, it really is not. But it has games that I can enjoy just as much as the games on the PS3 at a lower cost. (And to avoid further digression from this actual topic, perhaps we should keep this to PMs? just a thought...)