SOPA hearing yesterday: There are not enough /facepalms in the world

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Protip: SOPA will only stop stupid people from pirating, it only filters the DNS. Smart pirates will be able to access websites that SOPA will filter by putting the websites IP into the address bar and hiding behind a proxy or two.

It wont do anything to stop piracy, it'll just screw over websites with what they define "copyrighted content".
 

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Oh god damn it. We need more nerds in Washington don't we? I just can't believe it's 2011 and our leaders don't know what a server is. I wonder any of them realized that SOPA will cause massive job loss and will make it even harder to get out of the massive deficit we have. How can this thing even be legal? government is about to give large companies kill switches to every budding website on the grounds of "we think they may be harboring pirates", "Their DRM isn't good enough" or "They're using the word *scroll* without our permission." If that doesn't give some people an unfair advantage in the 'Free Market' many of people in Washington praise so much I don't know what is.
EDIT: I'm gonna get so much heat for that last reason won't I?
 

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a ginger491 said:
"They're using the word *scroll* without our permission."
EDIT: I'm gonna get so much heat for that last reason won't I?
No, no.
That's EXACTLY what it'll come to :/

Thankfully I think Universal's little stunt with Megaupload might be enough to convince at least SOME people that companies WILL abuse this power if they get it, and they will abuse it HARD.
 

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Splendid.
From the technological awareness point of view we live in the world that has cities populated by both people from the cyberpunk-ish future, cavemen and all those inbetween. Too bad it's the cavemen who want to control this world, but that shouldn't surprise anyone.
It was always smart but primitive brutes who yearned for power while intelligent ones aimed at dreams and ideas.
Splendid indeed.
 

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Y'know, I said this on Twitter a few days ago.. And I'll continue to stand by it.

The details of the bill are complete bollocks, yes, but the title of the bill is justifiable (not with this exact bill, but it's a relevant issue).

They're going to a bad, BAD extreme in Congress. I absolutely think piracy and general fuckery on the internet needs to be stopped, but not to the detriment of decent, innocent human beings. Attack the ACTUAL CULPRITS, not everyone ever.

Hackers, die in a fire. Online pirates, die in a fire. People who are basically abusing the use of the internet for the irritation of law-abiding citizens, die in the largest of infernos.

That is all.
 

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henritje said:
Vault101 said:
henritje said:
pyrosaw said:
Amsterdam here I come!
it,s going to effect every US site (Google,Wikipedia,Youtube,etc.) I hope The Escapist is not going to be effect (I read somewhere it,s from Australia).
Im pretty sure the escapist is american..they just happen to have a "pseudo" australian as their main attraction
according to news report I read about the Escapist users that got banned for promoting addblockers the Escapists servers are hosted in Australia.
No. One of the content providers LIVES in Australia. That would be Yahtzee. So he has access to the servers (or something like that) to submit Zero Punctuation episodes. Much like I'm assuming Graham Stark has some sort of access to The Escapist server to send through LRR, Feed Dump and Unskippable episodes. :p
 

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MattAn24 said:
Y'know, I said this on Twitter a few days ago.. And I'll continue to stand by it.

The details of the bill are complete bollocks, yes, but the title of the bill is justifiable (not with this exact bill, but it's a relevant issue).

They're going to a bad, BAD extreme in Congress. I absolutely think piracy and general fuckery on the internet needs to be stopped, but not to the detriment of decent, innocent human beings. Attack the ACTUAL CULPRITS, not everyone ever.

Hackers, die in a fire. Online pirates, die in a fire. People who are basically abusing the use of the internet for the irritation of law-abiding citizens, die in the largest of infernos.

That is all.
Abuse of the internet? I believe the internet was put in place for the sharing and exchange of information. Aquiring a clone of someones game is exchanging information. Nothing has been stolen, no online codes which activate the games officially or a disc.

PEOPLE also take exception to being told to die in a fire when finding alternatives to being screwed in the arse by companies who treat them like thieving scum. See: Pirated Just Cause 2 becausei bought it new and the CD key was invalid and they refused to send me another (and the shop wouldn't take the disc back because it wasn't their problem). See why not everything is in black and white ;p

Also: The piracy protest of Spore. 3 installs per disc then you had to buy it again. It was pirated in protest and THAT made EA strip the DRM out.

Thanks for your time, anyone else who wants to roll their face on their keyboard and squeal like little piggies about people being killed in fire should well...go expire in a flame.
 

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Versuvius said:
Abuse of the internet? I believe the internet was put in place for the sharing and exchange of information. Aquiring a clone of someones game is exchanging information. Nothing has been stolen, no online codes which activate the games officially or a disc.

PEOPLE also take exception to being told to die in a fire when finding alternatives to being screwed in the arse by companies who treat them like thieving scum. See: Pirated Just Cause 2 becausei bought it new and the CD key was invalid and they refused to send me another (and the shop wouldn't take the disc back because it wasn't their problem). See why not everything is in black and white ;p

Also: The piracy protest of Spore. 3 installs per disc then you had to buy it again. It was pirated in protest and THAT made EA strip the DRM out.

Thanks for your time, anyone else who wants to roll their face on their keyboard and squeal like little piggies about people being killed in fire should well...go expire in a flame.
Nice slew of excuses there. Not once did you mention the fact that GAME DESIGNERS, not the publishers, the DESIGNERS, deserve every fucking cent for every retail copy of a game. They (and I, seeing as I plan to BE a game designer) work their fucking arse off to provide YOU, the gamer, with content. They certainly don't have to!

There is absolutely no excuse for pirating anything. Ever. It is NOT the answer. Take the Spore example? It's called MASS E-MAIL and contacting the provider, as a civil, mature group. Not exactly that hard~!

The Just Cause 2 issue, not so much a problem because you actually bought it. MANY others simply don't. They completely ignore the fact that developers worked day and night, several of those non-stop to make the best possible game for fans. Downloading it for free illegally is a massive "FUCK YOU!" to the industry.
 

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MattAn24 said:
Versuvius said:
Abuse of the internet? I believe the internet was put in place for the sharing and exchange of information. Aquiring a clone of someones game is exchanging information. Nothing has been stolen, no online codes which activate the games officially or a disc.

PEOPLE also take exception to being told to die in a fire when finding alternatives to being screwed in the arse by companies who treat them like thieving scum. See: Pirated Just Cause 2 becausei bought it new and the CD key was invalid and they refused to send me another (and the shop wouldn't take the disc back because it wasn't their problem). See why not everything is in black and white ;p

Also: The piracy protest of Spore. 3 installs per disc then you had to buy it again. It was pirated in protest and THAT made EA strip the DRM out.

Thanks for your time, anyone else who wants to roll their face on their keyboard and squeal like little piggies about people being killed in fire should well...go expire in a flame.
Nice slew of excuses there. Not once did you mention the fact that GAME DESIGNERS, not the publishers, the DESIGNERS, deserve every fucking cent for every retail copy of a game. They (and I, seeing as I plan to BE a game designer) work their fucking arse off to provide YOU, the gamer, with content. They certainly don't have to!

There is absolutely no excuse for pirating anything. Ever. It is NOT the answer. Take the Spore example? It's called MASS E-MAIL and contacting the provider, as a civil, mature group. Not exactly that hard~!

The Just Cause 2 issue, not so much a problem because you actually bought it. MANY others simply don't. They completely ignore the fact that developers worked day and night, several of those non-stop to make the best possible game for fans. Downloading it for free illegally is a massive "FUCK YOU!" to the industry.
Then perhaps they should think carefully about who they get to publish their games, i am not being fucked any where down the line. Lookin' out for humber one here friend, my taxes look after everybody else on the island, im certainly not going to sigh, shrug it off and go buy it AGAIN. It's not a slew of excuses, it's a slew of alternative methods. Fuck big business, if it thinks it can shrug me off because i am just one consumer and one consumer can't do squat about it well, i guess they can do without my purchase.

As far as i'm concerned i bought a product that i had trouble installing (Perhaps that was my hardware, that isn't my beef) and then the key was already in use to be able to play single player. At the point they refused to send me another i wasn't going to bend over and take it. Nothing was a fuck you to a dev because i bought the fucking thing already. It's still stinking up a drawer somewhere. No one is getting two copies worth of money out of me for anything.
 

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Irridium said:
Oh yeah, also found this lovely little comic.

http://getyourcensoron.com/

Also, the markup will resume on the 21st. This is NOT the vote, but more hearings on it.
dude thanks for showing me this.

OT: and please god let this stupid SOPA thing die, PLEASE!!!!
 

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We need people that are intelligent in Congress. I think doing that would help make some progress.
 

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Hey, everyone that's concerned about this should sign the peition if they haven't already done so. This affects Europeans, Canadians, and Australians as much as Americans, and its imperitive that we stop it NOW.

Heres the link:http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/
Non-Americans are encouraged to sign as well, so be sure to do so!

REMEMBER: the bill goes before congress on the 21st, so hurry!
 

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Irridium said:
So, Cable News may be changing its tune on SOPA, slowly but surely.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111216/17580817113/cable-news-finally-realizing-that-sopa-protect-ip-are-bad-news.shtml

Though reading Dylan Ratigan's tweet, perhaps they weren't for it, but just waiting for the right moment. Either way, looks like good news, hopefully. Though they've missed their window for the NDAA, which was passed two days ago...
Wow i was kinda surprised that Fox buisness was the first news outlet to expose this . Good for them.
 

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I'm quite amazed. Let's assume that the People our american Friends have in Congress are rather backwards and scared of technology. Let's assume they think of the Internet as pure evil.

Even then a self respecting Politician could not do anything else but see this as more then a first Draft. Written by someone with questionable Intelligence.

This Document shouldn't be in Congress. Not because i don't like what it says but because it's so rubbery.
 

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Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
When this passes, and it probably will...

You can bet shit will get violent fast.

"I've heard that a car thief used J Street to effect his getaway. Tomorrow, we'll be sending in the bulldozers to remove J Street."
yea if it passes there's gonna be quite a few congressmen wishing they wasn't on this planet anymore because they'll have no where to hide from the sheer wrath of the people getting screwed over.
 

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MattAn24 said:
Versuvius said:
Abuse of the internet? I believe the internet was put in place for the sharing and exchange of information. Aquiring a clone of someones game is exchanging information. Nothing has been stolen, no online codes which activate the games officially or a disc.

PEOPLE also take exception to being told to die in a fire when finding alternatives to being screwed in the arse by companies who treat them like thieving scum. See: Pirated Just Cause 2 becausei bought it new and the CD key was invalid and they refused to send me another (and the shop wouldn't take the disc back because it wasn't their problem). See why not everything is in black and white ;p

Also: The piracy protest of Spore. 3 installs per disc then you had to buy it again. It was pirated in protest and THAT made EA strip the DRM out.

Thanks for your time, anyone else who wants to roll their face on their keyboard and squeal like little piggies about people being killed in fire should well...go expire in a flame.
Nice slew of excuses there. Not once did you mention the fact that GAME DESIGNERS, not the publishers, the DESIGNERS, deserve every fucking cent for every retail copy of a game. They (and I, seeing as I plan to BE a game designer) work their fucking arse off to provide YOU, the gamer, with content. They certainly don't have to!

There is absolutely no excuse for pirating anything. Ever. It is NOT the answer. Take the Spore example? It's called MASS E-MAIL and contacting the provider, as a civil, mature group. Not exactly that hard~!

The Just Cause 2 issue, not so much a problem because you actually bought it. MANY others simply don't. They completely ignore the fact that developers worked day and night, several of those non-stop to make the best possible game for fans. Downloading it for free illegally is a massive "FUCK YOU!" to the industry.
I don't disagree with where you're coming from, but don't act like you're running a charity with comments like "WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE YOU INGRATES ANYTHING". You're not in the business out of the goodness of your heart, or you'd do it for free, so the sob story kind of falls on deaf ears.

Secondly, developers often don't strive to make the best game possible. More often than not, they try to bank on a sequel, gauging the customers' interest with a half-hearted effort. If we bite, they make the game they would have if they'd tried the second time around. Then that usually sells well, and we get a third game that tries so hard to top their best effort that it just ends up jumping the shark and putting the series (that never needed to be a series in the first place) in the grave.

Finally, games that genuinely impress me (which is admittedly hard to do) do get purchased. I've even bought games I thought were just okay because I felt bad for them not selling well. Sure, I don't have to pirate the thing, but buying it on the cheap from Gamestop isn't doing the developer any good either, now is it. But on the other hand, if I'd bought Mass Effect, which would've been on the PC because that's my only venue, and thus isn't eligible for resale, I'd have been pissed, because I thought that thing was garbage. I got twenty or so hours into it, asked it for that time back, was asked by the video game why I was talking to it, told it to piss off, and uninstalled it. I may have played it, "stolen" it by your reckoning, but I genuinely don't think Bioware deserves to be paid for making what I consider the same game I played nine years ago, plus a bunch of nonsensical instant death traps. I have no way to try that game on the PC platform without paying for it, which would have otherwise meant paying for a game I ultimately thought was horrible. Whether or not you think that's fair, I don't.

On the other hand, Bastion has a demo, which intrigued me upon my playing it, and even though I'm so piss poor that I can't even afford the fifteen bucks it's asking for, I cannot pirate that damn thing, because it deserves my cash. Don't treat everyone who's pirated a game as an indecent, heartless husk of a human being that preys on the flesh of the hard-working.
 

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Qitz said:
So the battle was won but the war may have to wage on.
If they USA decides to censor its servers they'll just move the business to Europe/Canada.

Woo go economic growth in one of the few sectors the USA still has any meaningful comparative advantage.
 

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XT inc said:
I think this sums it up pretty well. Why are they allowed to vote on stuff they know nothing about, maybe they should look into measures preventing uninformed clods making decisions about stuff they are baffled by.
I wish I could laugh at this and not be concerned about the possibility there may be some truth in it...

OT: I'm a Canadian but...
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Ekit said:
But it's only being censored in America, right? So I have nohing to worry about?
Hey, I live in Canada, but I'm worried about it. Partly because I don't want our current government getting any ideas, but because I value everyone's freedom. People who don't understand the internet should not be making decisions about regulating it. Period.
this is how I feel.
 

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Wait, seriously? Fox News? I thought they were pretty much the government's media sock-puppet at this point.

I'm pleasantly shocked.
 

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Well aren't you full of surprises, Fox News...

If even Fox News is starting to rally against SOPA, I honestly can't see how it's going to flow well in Congress.