Invincible but unable to do damage for 2 seconds is fair. Quick look at the surroundings, anot just making an invincible dash and killing someone.Cpt Corallis said:
Spawn Camping Marathon Gets Black Ops Players Banned
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So, they make a flaw in their game that makes it possible to prosper from spawn camping, and instead of fixing the problem, they ban the people that found it...I hate spawn camping, actually, I hate multiplayer shooters with respawn, I prefer the round to end and then everyone lines up again and runs the next play, kind of like football. Respawn shooters are like basketball, the play is always moving and everyones everywhere.
They could have added more spawn points or made it so that if someone was camping one then they'd spawn somewhere else. Other people have pointed out spawn protection, someone said 5 second spawn protection but even 3 seconds would be plenty of time. Perks like painkiller from MW2 prevented dying instantly after coming back (if you were on a dying streak, which these guys were). Rank boosting is nothing new in games, people with multiple consoles (I could, but I don't, for instance) can play 1 on 1 or have many set up and just kill them all with one character. This is a problem in Socom but no one really minds it, it's just some digital rank that comes with time, rather than skill.
They could have added more spawn points or made it so that if someone was camping one then they'd spawn somewhere else. Other people have pointed out spawn protection, someone said 5 second spawn protection but even 3 seconds would be plenty of time. Perks like painkiller from MW2 prevented dying instantly after coming back (if you were on a dying streak, which these guys were). Rank boosting is nothing new in games, people with multiple consoles (I could, but I don't, for instance) can play 1 on 1 or have many set up and just kill them all with one character. This is a problem in Socom but no one really minds it, it's just some digital rank that comes with time, rather than skill.
I see this as banning people for playing the game in the (or one of the) most efficient manner possible. The point is to get kills, they found a way to get lots of kills with little to no risk to themselves without any actual cheating and got banned for it. If you don't want spawn camping, don't make it an efficient tactic.
Exactly.JourneyThroughHell said:
These people were cheating, and even though the consistent spawns (which are only in domination, a gametype where you aren't just trying to kill people) helped them do that, they deserved the bans they got.
Spawns are a problem in Black Ops (although I've NEVER had to deal with spawn camping), but they are not the issue here.
They were using these flaws to their advantage, and they kept at it. They didn't send the video to Treyarch. They bragged and boosted.-Samurai- said:
[/quote]danpascooch said:
you sir are my hero
im glad that unlike many companies treyarch cares about how their game functions
and to the people who say they could patch this......what? patch spawn camping? are you high, how would one go about doing that?
Not that I'm a fan of this, but both teams were involved, so no one did anything wrong really. No one was cheated, it wasn't unfair because everyone was involved, no innocent bystanders were harmed in the creation of this travesty.
They just took advantage of a system inside a completely broken game. Good job. You give someone a car that can go 900 Mph, then you give them a speeding ticket, nice fuckin' job. Lots of games have permanent spawn points, but you're the only company incapable of designing a safe area for this to occur. Broken game, poor map design, crappy leveling mechanic. That isn't the players fault.
They just took advantage of a system inside a completely broken game. Good job. You give someone a car that can go 900 Mph, then you give them a speeding ticket, nice fuckin' job. Lots of games have permanent spawn points, but you're the only company incapable of designing a safe area for this to occur. Broken game, poor map design, crappy leveling mechanic. That isn't the players fault.
Holy crap.MisterGobbles said:
I expected to be flamed to Oblivion, honestly, and here you are agreeing with me.
Cool.
Spawn camping is much less of a problem in BO than random spawns that place you near the enemy.lizards said:
Fixed spawns in
There's nothing to patch here.
This is pretty much how i feel about this.-Samurai- said:
But yeah, it is just stupid to punish for something that is made possible in the game. They should have changed the spawns/spawning system, not to punish people for abusing something that they created.
And it kind of seems odd that the people stayed in the game, eventhough they couldn't do nothing and got killed 1 sec after they spawned.
Heck, now that Treyarch started to ban people, could it be possible that noob-tubers would be next on the list?
I love how Treyarch and Activision blame the players for their own shitty choices and poor design. How is it the player's fault that your rules allow people to pile on like this? The people who got whipped were "obviously collaborating" because they stayed to take the beating? So not rage quitting makes someone complicit? REALLY?!?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: "Best Call of Duty ever" my ass. Every game reviewer who uttered this phrase should hang his head in shame.
I played this game for 4 hours when my cousin brought it over. Not a single second of fun was had.
I bought one Treyarch game... World at War. Never again.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: "Best Call of Duty ever" my ass. Every game reviewer who uttered this phrase should hang his head in shame.
I played this game for 4 hours when my cousin brought it over. Not a single second of fun was had.
I bought one Treyarch game... World at War. Never again.
how about ten seconds of invincibility upon spawning. or maybe 3, so you cant use it as an advantageOilerfan92 said:
Reading this is like Battlefield giving me a pat on the back. I'm glad I made the decision I did, and I havent looked back since
It brought attention to the flaw. If nobody did this and shoved it in the treyarch developers I doubt it would get fixed.Veloxe said:
We invented the useful application of 'Esc' & 'Quit' and people should learn to use it.. (jokes don't flame me)
On one side if they could do this for every game where there are spawn campers then it'd be nice but as this is just one example of hundreds on you-tube and I have witnessed multiple spawn campers in my time it annoys me.. just because one of their devs discovered it doesn't give them the right to punish players for finding a weakness in game design..
Anyway, its likely these spawn campers will just up their rankage again with more camping and no-one will be any the better because Treyarch fails.. apart from WaW, you guys got it right there..
On one side if they could do this for every game where there are spawn campers then it'd be nice but as this is just one example of hundreds on you-tube and I have witnessed multiple spawn campers in my time it annoys me.. just because one of their devs discovered it doesn't give them the right to punish players for finding a weakness in game design..
Anyway, its likely these spawn campers will just up their rankage again with more camping and no-one will be any the better because Treyarch fails.. apart from WaW, you guys got it right there..