Spawn Camping Marathon Gets Black Ops Players Banned

[JourneyThroughHell]

i relize that, thats why i asked how they would do that

seriously i know sarcasm is hard to tell on the internet but that was fairly obvious...

Sooo... that was meta-sarcasm or something? Because if so, meta-sarcasm is awesome.

 

[ctrl]

you mean beside the fact he points it out proves it and tells them to fix it? way to go treyarch you pricks!

 

[Yoder13]

Yeah, so the problem here is not the players spawn camping, the problem is Treyarch making the spawns in Demolition preset based on teams. But then Respawn(either the action or the company) does not seem to be something that Treyarch really cares about.

 

[dystopiaINC]

So you punishing ramdom people for pointing out a flaw in YOUR game. You should be proud of this, they've noticed a flaw and abused it and you should notice this and patch it, not punish them.
Agh! The gaming community today!

they are not random people they are people who found a flaw and exploited it to it's fullest extent, not simply exposing it, the took advantage in an unfair and wrong way. they deserve the bans for that alone as it amounts to essentially cheating the game. boosting is cheating, should it get patched? sure, but it's only like this on one game mode not like it happens in every match.

 

[ntw3001]

Why can't they use spawn rooms like TF2?

 

[Reed Spacer]

Hey, way to punish players for exposing the flaws in your game, Treyarch.

Maybe the people getting beat were in league with the spawn campers, or maybe they're like me and refuse to quit no matter how badly they're getting beat.

Yeah, because campers don't totally suck anyway.

 

[Canid117]

I remember a time in Cod where 60 kills in a single game was considered an amazing feat.

Ah how I miss you Cod 2.

 

[Baresark]

Exactly.

These people were cheating, and even though the consistent spawns (which are only in domination, a gametype where you aren't just trying to kill people) helped them do that, they deserved the bans they got.

Spawns are a problem in Black Ops (although I've NEVER had to deal with spawn camping), but they are not the issue here.

Holy crap.

I expected to be flamed to Oblivion, honestly, and here you are agreeing with me.

Cool.

and to the people who say they could patch this......what? patch spawn camping? are you high, how would one go about doing that?

Spawn camping is much less of a problem in BO than random spawns that place you near the enemy.

Fixed spawns in Domination Demolition (minor fuck up) is a good thing.

There's nothing to patch here.

i relize that, thats why i asked how they would do that

seriously i know sarcasm is hard to tell on the internet but that was fairly obvious...

They could update the map to fix it. Change the map so the spawn points are in a secure location. Perhaps an area players can't readily access without having spawned there. But, that would require changing the map in some way, they don't like to release maps without being paid money for it though. Like I said in a previous post, lots of games have preset spawn points, such as TF2, only they make those points secure, and you can't be spawn camped.

 

[squid5580]

Good there is a special place in hell for spawn campers. This makes Treyarch look like a bunch of fucking idiots though. I mean it isn't hard to figure out that putting a spawn point in a online match will only lead to problems. otherwise the bastards with the mechs will just sit there and kill you RAAAWWWRRRRR (sorry FEAR 2 rage slipped in there).

 

[Kadoodle]

See, this is why I play BFBC2, where the spawns are [nearly] perfect.


Spawn camping can get pretty bad in conquest, but with some flanking skills you can turn the tables.

 

[Spencer Petersen]

Dashboarding is the real bullshit here. If you added up all the kill and divided by all the deaths registered in the character stats you would probably get a number larger than 1 because people dashboard out of games to save their precious K/D ratio. Its total bullshit that the 501-8 game losers can just cheat the system and make it so the 283 deaths don't get counted against them. As if the K/D ratio wasn't already pointless enough, its completely invalidated by a broken system.

 

[Warachia]

Question: Why not just implement a system where a newly spawning player in a game with fixed spawn points be invincible until three seconds have passed since they moved from the spawn point?
Would mean that people would be able to escape from spawn campers or get revenge.

They can't do that because that would be actual work and they would have to admit they were wrong. Good idea though, other shoooters did that in the past and it worked out really well.

 

[T8B95]

Why not just put spawn points that are inaccessible to the other team? Maybe give it a killtimer to stop players in TDM just hiding in there?

I still do say that Halo Reach is the most balanced online FPS in the market today.

 

[Podunk]

While I hate spawn camping just as much as anyone else, it's the developer's responsibility to make sure that it doesn't happen (or at least is kept to a minimum). The terrible spawn system is why I gave up MW2 and decided to give Black Ops a miss. I hate this kind of player, but if the developer is going to turn a blind eye to this kind of persistent problem then I can't help but feel most of my ire is directed towards them. Banning people who (while reprehensible people I would never want to play with) didn't actually do anything outside the game's intended function just seems like a lazy concession to a serious problem.

 

[Podunk]

Why not just put spawn points that are inaccessible to the other team? Maybe give it a killtimer to stop players in TDM just hiding in there?

I still do say that Halo Reach is the most balanced online FPS in the market today.

Online Console FPS? Because on the PC market I'd have to say Team Fortress 2 has it beat.

 

[IBlackKiteI]

Alright, let's see if I can do this without starting a flamewar, I think I can manage it. *cracks knuckles*

Shooters are generally about skill and team tactics, that is what elevates one team over another in an online match. Here are those two elements, and how the core mechanics of CoD violate and destroy each of them.

Skill:

Basic Definition:

The ability to properly dispatch an opponent due to effective aiming and use of environment (cover and the like) in an even fight.

Call of Duty Definition:

The ability to wait in one spot until an enemy walks by, and then kill him solely because you sat in one spot and happened to see him first.

Violating Mechanics:

1.) Low Health (or high damage)

The extremely low health in CoD means that when two opponents are within range of eachother, and overwhelming amount of time the victor is the one who sees his opponent first, not the one with the most skill.

2.) Prone

Prone allows a player to lie down and almost always be the first person to see an opponent when the opponent enters the room, and don't even get me started on "drop shooting"

3.) Static Spawn

Besides the obvious problems shown in the video (did you see the part where he literally stood behind them and stabbed each one as they appeared?) Static spawning means that you can reliably predict which hallway/room/alley the enemy players will funnel through, leading to camping spots that take advantage of the mechanics listed above to remove skill from the game

4.) Kill Streaks

Players are awarded for getting a number of kills without dying, which discourages them from taking any sort of calculated risk or put their life in danger for the good of the team, this heavily encourages camping

Conclusion:

I have no real issue with any of these mechanics alone, the problem is that they all work together in synchronization to create a game where the victor is not determined by skill but by camping and waiting for extended periods of time

Tactics

Definition: Increasing effectiveness through the use of proper team communication, strategies, and grouping into squads

Violating Mechanics:

1.) The four mechanics above and the camping atmosphere they create

Grouping is suicide in CoD because the high damage and advantage of finding a camping spot means that a single camper with a rifle can kill three or more people almost as quickly as one, as long as he has a decent camping spot. (as in, any window overlooking a linear path)

2.) Static Spawns & Frequent Deaths

The fact that in CoD players are constantly either A) In a camping spot (in which case another teammate isn't likely to heavily increase effectiveness as detailed above) or B) constantly dying and teleporting back to one side of the map. Makes it nearly impossible to work as a group.

Conclusion:

Given the diminishing returns on camping, and the fact that players are constantly separated by being whisked away on respawn with startling frequency makes it nearly impossible to execute any meaningful teamwork.

Overall Argument

A shooter is not about finding spots to camp on a map, but that's what Call of Duty is all about, leading me to the conclusion that the core mechanics listed above have broken the fundamental aspects of what makes a shooter enjoyable.

'Skill' in games is irrelevant and dumb.
You do realise this is a video game your talking about right?

Anyways this is still pretty damn funny.

 

[RowdyRodimus]

I got spawn camped once. I refused to quick, even though I could literally only take five steps before I was cut down. Everyone else save one person on my team quit the match, and it got to the point where whenever I managed to kill someone, it was pure joy. Guess what?

IT WASN'T IN CALL OF DUTY!!!!

Stop saying this is only Call of Duty's problem. Tons of online shooters have this issue. For the record, the game I was talking about is Resistance 2.

On topic: I think this is hilarious. Stupid people doing stupid things then posting it for the enforcers to see. Ha ha ha ha ha!

I had something similar happen in Red Dead Redemption. I just got into a game world, not even enough time to move from the spawn point and BLAM! Someone got me with a headshot. They really need to give you a period of time where you are invincible but can't interact with players so you can at least get going first.

 

[Palademon]

How can you punish someone for playing the game in a legitimate way? Playing that way is physically allowed.

 

[lizards]

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They could update the map to fix it. Change the map so the spawn points are in a secure location. Perhaps an area players can't readily access without having spawned there. But, that would require changing the map in some way, they don't like to release maps without being paid money for it though. Like I said in a previous post, lots of games have preset spawn points, such as TF2, only they make those points secure, and you can't be spawn camped.

....what? im being serious i have no idea what you are implying because ANYTIME you EVER have FIXED SPAWNS you are going to have SPAWN CAMPING, it doesnt matter what the design is, if its in the open theyll hang back and shoot you, if its enclosed they will wait at the entrances

and are you fucking kidding me, tf2? have you ever played it? half the battle every single game is just breaking out of the spawn, rainbow six vegas was basically a tug of war between can you even name a game with fixed spawns that doesnt have spawn camping?

the only credible answer that i know of that you could give his bad company 2 and that still has a little of it but the maps are so massive you could be spawned anywhere almost and most of the time you spawn with a squadmate which means you are usally at least fairly safe for a few seconds

 

[ReiverCorrupter]

BOOSTING is a ban-able offense because people are exploiting the matchmaking system. That's what those guys should (and probably were) banned for.

CAMPING is the... exploitation of... GAMEPLAY???

HOW CAN YOU "EXPLOIT" GAMEPLAY? THEY AREN'T EVEN USING GLITCHES!!!

What's next? Banning the use of the friggin' nube tube? TREYARCH PUT THE NOOB TUBE INTO THE GAME, JUST LIKE THEY PUT THE FIXED SPAWN POINT INTO THE GAME. One cannot "exploit" basic gameplay mechanics. They can exploit glitches, but that is different because glitches were never in ANY sense intended to be part of gameplay.

This is Treyarch's fault. This is shoddy game design. You can't blame players for using such a dominant strategy, it's your job to fix the gameplay so there is no such strategy.

For all of you people who say camping takes no skill and is cheating: sure dude, and running out into the open to get filled with lead is such a great strategy, especially in a "realistic" shooter. (In real warfare "camping" is called "not running out into fire like an idiot and getting killed instantly"). These are the same people who complain about "rushing" in RTS games when a decent player sends a small group of units to harass them in the early-game.

Granted I don't care for the random corner campers because, let's face it, camping around a random corner hoping someone comes by is just cheap and stupid. But even so, they still aren't cheaters. People who hold down all the entrances to a room and set up ambushes are using a lot more strategy than people who randomly run out into the open hoping to find and shoot a couple people before they get shot. Maybe you think all skill in an FPS boils down to who can aim the fastest, but if that's the case, then why don't you go play some fighting games instead? They require quicker reflexes and a lot more dexterity.