Spawn Camping Marathon Gets Black Ops Players Banned

[MaxRaine]

Exploiters like this should be permanently banned imo...
Sure, find flaws, test them out a bit (not like this), then report it and don't do it again.
Find a flaw or bug and use it to boost your stats/rating/whatever and you deserve a ban.

 

[ninetails593]

PEOPLE. THESE WERE BOOSTERS. THEY WERE NOT EXPLOITING THE SPAWNING SYSTEM, THEY WERE LENDING EACH OTHER KILLS.

 

[LiftYourSkinnyFists]

Hey, way to punish players for exposing the flaws in your game, Treyarch.

Maybe the people getting beat were in league with the spawn campers, or maybe they're like me and refuse to quit no matter how badly they're getting beat.

It does in fact say that they're in cahoots.

 

[Xanadu84]

I think a lot of people are COMPLETELY missing the point. If this was a real game, and the players were just trying to win, then Treyarch would be WAY out of line here. In a game, you try to win according to the rules. It ceases to be a competitive game (What makes the game fun) if you start punishing people for implementing effective strategy's. That is a fault in the design, and needs to be fixed. But you can't fault a player for doing something that he is asked, implicitly, to do. But that is NOT what is happening here, at least, according to the Community Manager. According to the Manager, there was a team full of confederates who were LETTING themselves be killed. In order to artificially boost the other players score. It is not a matter of using an unfair but allowed strategy, it is about artificially padding your score through unfair meta-gaming. That is not appropriate. Is the CM right, and that is actually what was happening here? I'm honestly not sure. I need more information.

 

[jayzz911]

Christ people... you don't really get it... They were banned for boosting, the people on the other team were friends of theirs and hardly ever fired their guns. Yea... I know it's hard to hear over the mainstream hate on this forum but sometimes it isn't the creators fault no matter how bad you want it to be... Boosting is a bannable offense they got what they deserved
PS: there are videos on youtube from the point of view of the people that died alot they ran into the middle and died and ran and died repeat this for a while and you have the 500 kills video. they didn't fire and when they did (cause i saw them firing once) he didn't aim at anyone and sure as hell didn't aim down the sight of his gun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU6vrK_OWmY there's the video

 

[Murray Whitwell]

Trust a Call of Duty developer to be to lazy to fix a problem caused by their own poor design, and instead punishing players for playing the game with the systems the dev's put in themselves.
I feel sorry for these guys.

 

[Baresark]

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They could update the map to fix it. Change the map so the spawn points are in a secure location. Perhaps an area players can't readily access without having spawned there. But, that would require changing the map in some way, they don't like to release maps without being paid money for it though. Like I said in a previous post, lots of games have preset spawn points, such as TF2, only they make those points secure, and you can't be spawn camped.

....what? im being serious i have no idea what you are implying because ANYTIME you EVER have FIXED SPAWNS you are going to have SPAWN CAMPING, it doesnt matter what the design is, if its in the open theyll hang back and shoot you, if its enclosed they will wait at the entrances

and are you fucking kidding me, tf2? have you ever played it? half the battle every single game is just breaking out of the spawn, rainbow six vegas was basically a tug of war between can you even name a game with fixed spawns that doesnt have spawn camping?

the only credible answer that i know of that you could give his bad company 2 and that still has a little of it but the maps are so massive you could be spawned anywhere almost and most of the time you spawn with a squadmate which means you are usally at least fairly safe for a few seconds

That isn't the same thing. These guys were waiting, at the spot where people spawn and knifing them as they spawned. Your talking about base camping, which is quite different. Base camping is annoying, but you can get out of the base with a good coordinated effort. I actually enjoy the challenge of overcoming base campers. In these cases though, it's not an instant kill as soon as you spawn. And yes, I have played TF2. I enjoy it immensely. In BFBC2, people occasionally base rape, and that is annoying, but I have never seen anyone do that without a swift warning, and if you keep doing it, a kick from the server. And then you don't get any points when you get kicked from the server. So, that is a good penalty in my book.

Calm down, take a deep breath, haha. It's all good.

 

[Asehujiko]

HAHAHAHAHAHA! sweet. I love when spawn campers suck or this happens.

You love it when somebody makes a video that basically says: "this shit is broken and here is a perfect demonstration of what happens because of that" and then an angry community mismanager decides to shoot the messenger instead of forwarding it to the studio he's attached to?

 

[Zenn3k]

Question: Why not just implement a system where a newly spawning player in a game with fixed spawn points be invincible until three seconds have passed since they moved from the spawn point?
Would mean that people would be able to escape from spawn campers or get revenge.

MW2 basically had this, it was called "Pain Killer", and it was MASSIVELY complained about.

Pain Killer was a death streak, that gave you 3x health after you died 3 times in a row without getting a kill and lasted something like 15-20 seconds.

Everyone hated it.

 

[Mcface]

So you ban people for using your game against you?
thats bullshit. fix the game.

 

[lizards]

'Skill' in games is irrelevant and dumb.
You do realise this is a video game your talking about right?

Anyways this is still pretty damn funny.

yes and games are played for fun, whats not fun is walking through a building then getting killed because somebody decides to just sit there waiting for people to walk by

 

[Ranylyn]

Wow, people are defending the campers? -20 for my faith in the common sense of the gaming community!

Guys, reality check: in MMOs, exploiting holes in the system results in permanent bans. Imagine an MMORPG with a glitched quest for example. Collect X many of item Y. Except imagine if the quest doesn't go away OR take your items, and players exploit this glitch to reach the max level. The fault is shared; both with the company who messed up and the players who exploited it.

This has happened before in many other games, many of which result in either rollbacks (which affects EVERYONE, and no one wins) or permanent bans. Let me name you one example here. To quote "Hime," a GM from Nexon of America, the company that hosts MMOs like Maplestory, Dungeon Fighter Online, Combat Arms, and Vindictus, "Exploiting a loophole in the system is the equivalent of using 3rd party programs." What does this mean? "Accidental programming error is an accident and if you exploit it before we fix it, your ass is grass."

Honestly... I think the people defending campers are the ones who got banned! There's zero fun in abusing system loopholes like this, unless your definition of fun is griefing.

 

[Thaius]

The banhammer is a swift weapon of justice, and is to be respected. Awesome.

 

[Ranylyn]

-Accidental triple post removed-

 

[Ranylyn]

-Addidental triple post removed-

 

[Ranylyn]

Sorry, the site is lagging massively for me today, didn't mean to triple post!

 

[jayzz911]

So you ban people for using your game against you?
thats bullshit. fix the game.

You don't read anything but the title do you?

 

[jayzz911]

So you ban people for using your game against you?
thats bullshit. fix the game.

srry for double post got captcha error the first time then lag then i had 2 posts.

 

[lizards]

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They could update the map to fix it. Change the map so the spawn points are in a secure location. Perhaps an area players can't readily access without having spawned there. But, that would require changing the map in some way, they don't like to release maps without being paid money for it though. Like I said in a previous post, lots of games have preset spawn points, such as TF2, only they make those points secure, and you can't be spawn camped.

....what? im being serious i have no idea what you are implying because ANYTIME you EVER have FIXED SPAWNS you are going to have SPAWN CAMPING, it doesnt matter what the design is, if its in the open theyll hang back and shoot you, if its enclosed they will wait at the entrances

and are you fucking kidding me, tf2? have you ever played it? half the battle every single game is just breaking out of the spawn, rainbow six vegas was basically a tug of war between can you even name a game with fixed spawns that doesnt have spawn camping?

the only credible answer that i know of that you could give his bad company 2 and that still has a little of it but the maps are so massive you could be spawned anywhere almost and most of the time you spawn with a squadmate which means you are usally at least fairly safe for a few seconds

That isn't the same thing. These guys were waiting, at the spot where people spawn and knifing them as they spawned. Your talking about base camping, which is quite different. Base camping is annoying, but you can get out of the base with a good coordinated effort. I actually enjoy the challenge of overcoming base campers. In these cases though, it's not an instant kill as soon as you spawn. And yes, I have played TF2. I enjoy it immensely. In BFBC2, people occasionally base rape, and that is annoying, but I have never seen anyone do that without a swift warning, and if you keep doing it, a kick from the server. And then you don't get any points when you get kicked from the server. So, that is a good penalty in my book.

Calm down, take a deep breath, haha. It's all good.

why is it whenever anybody challenges someone and brings up some valid points that makes the other person think, nearly 80% of the time you see "chill out man" "its just a video game" or some other equally stupid thing?

and you are confused, i have no idea where you got "base rape" from but im sorry to tell you that spawn=base base=spawn, and to be honest ive never even heard spawns being called bases before

and also when i think about it team fortress is even more invalid as an example because black ops and the other cod games are 1 shot (roughly dont get particular) kill games, team fortress isnt

and lastly consoles dont have servers and this is the stupid shit that results from not having servers if they did then this would be a non issue, the reason that camping never got to bad in vegas was because if anyone was being to much of a jackass the host would just ban them, but its cod games are not, so you cant ban anyone

 

[tjcross]

Hey, way to punish players for exposing the flaws in your game, Treyarch.

Maybe the people getting beat were in league with the spawn campers, or maybe they're like me and refuse to quit no matter how badly they're getting beat.

There's exposing a flaw and then theres exploiting it to get an unfair advantage over others.

And while that's completely true, horrible spawns aren't exactly a new problem. It's Treyarchs fault that there is something in their game to exploit.

so you expect perfection in a game no matter how hard any group of mortals try there will always be flaws and by extension exploitable flaws camping is one of those flaws that can never be fixed give them a bit of invincibility when they respawn and the campers will wait 5 seconds away or in a sniping position. so even if the system is horrible the only way to stop spawn camping would be to remove spawning and you know how well that would turn out to the average fps player