iv had it with the damed cake refrences.... i have to deal with one of those idiots at work... last week i threw my brass paperweight at him.. enough is enough people get over it
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Woah, woah woah.HappyHacker said:
Memes are nothing to get angry or aggressive over.
Although I'm not sure whether "Annoying quotes" would stand up in court.
Maybe he's getting more and more critical of the games because he has dispensed his advice and no one is learning from it. We just keep seeing more of the same tripe. There are some gems, but those gems stand out all too much and get beaten into the ground by people trying to copy/reference them. Maybe he's tired of seeing that crop up more in games and is getting just a teensy bit fed up.PodX140 said:
Or maybe he's the same as he always was, and people aren't really seeing it anymore because he is too popular now...
Maybe it's because the games that try to copy what is hot repeat the same mistakes without trying anything new, and thus being worthy of the same critisms. All he said about 'splosion Man is that it tries too hard. It's the difference between Star Wars Episode 1 and the original.
I haven't played either game, so I can't make an honest opinion on them, however it seems that the games didn't expand upon their own predicessors in a way to make them unique, taking into account the previous games failures, and only expanding upon them rather than getting rid of them.
All games will be judged based upon older games. Every person does this as well with everything they experience in life, not just games. It only makes sense that you judge games based upon games that are similar in some way. Is Dante's Inferno better than God of War? I don't know, but that's how it will be judged no doubt about it, since it is EAs version of the game. Is X hack-and-slash better than Diablo II? Considering not one has been made to suck over the fans makes me think no. Certainly none of them that I have played.
That doesn't mean these games are bad, or that they have no redeeming qualities. It just means that they have been unsuccessful in making a name for themselves and rather they reference something that is already famous and get rich off someone else's name. Reminds me of remakes of songs...
Sunderland's quest is sympathetic and immersive, as it's unrequited. It's not allowed to devolve into the morass that is familarity and eventually contempt, right?
Now, if and when he ever succeeds . . . . . what will you do then, YC?
Now, if and when he ever succeeds . . . . . what will you do then, YC?
number generator,hmm.
I only really skimmed but just eyeing that was worth it.Might need to start reading these.
I only really skimmed but just eyeing that was worth it.Might need to start reading these.
Yup, over-quoting sucks. It's not really wit to be proud of now is it, it's just a sort of rolling around like pigs in the goodness of such strangely powerful metaphors. You can't stay like that. Get over yourselves and try to actually contribute something else good, Jesus .
Overquoting of the Pythons or Portal isn't fanning their dying flames like you might think- It's just sucking at their warmth because that's all you want to do. I agree the sad thing about those old greats is that THOUGH they were really earnest, original, brilliant and kind of on the cusp of something, THEIR MOVEMENT seems to have just petered out. There aren't really any flagship bearers of these intelligences around anymore. I think the Python stuff ran out of momentum with the big cop out that was "The meaning of life". The Goodies? Come on.
Maybe there are just too few creatives in the actual mainstream, and way too many plain consumers. Art should be free man! XD
Overquoting of the Pythons or Portal isn't fanning their dying flames like you might think- It's just sucking at their warmth because that's all you want to do. I agree the sad thing about those old greats is that THOUGH they were really earnest, original, brilliant and kind of on the cusp of something, THEIR MOVEMENT seems to have just petered out. There aren't really any flagship bearers of these intelligences around anymore. I think the Python stuff ran out of momentum with the big cop out that was "The meaning of life". The Goodies? Come on.
Maybe there are just too few creatives in the actual mainstream, and way too many plain consumers. Art should be free man! XD
Honestly, most days I'd kill for a good Python quote. Sadly, as I work/game with the youth of today, proper Python quotes are relegated to fond memories of D&D days of yore. Instead I get WoW references and the occasional Star Wars quote (that seems odd since some of them weren't born until the Ewok-era.)
As for the cake-lie jokes/references...while I never bothered playing Portal (rarely do I hit up the game/movie/book that everyone's pre-overhyped for me) I get the reference though I've never found it amusing. Guess I had to be there.
As for the cake-lie jokes/references...while I never bothered playing Portal (rarely do I hit up the game/movie/book that everyone's pre-overhyped for me) I get the reference though I've never found it amusing. Guess I had to be there.
I don't think Yahtzee is that great but all I heard in your post was ...ZeroMachine said:
'Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh! The man made me sad.'
You seriously took your time to just say that? Sometimes, I hate the people of the internet...Dale Cooper said:
I'm going to have to disagree with the point that random's not funny. What happened with the nerd culture dialog was purposeful as the people who cherry picked phrases such as "Get in da choppa!" and the "Not a Portal Reference" bit absolutely did that with the intention of getting attention to the game. There's nothing random about that at all.
The combination of these things are just not purposeful, not having any real connection to the game at all, and thus not really adding to any potential humor the game has. It's a man exploding! Was sprinkling "for science" really needed to get any attention or hilarity across? No.
I saw a quick look of this game on Giant Bomb and saw that it was about a man exploding. That's all I needed.
This extra stuff was just a safety net to get the geeks that aren't checking up on the gaming scene 24/7. That way they hear from their uber geek friends about this stuff and go, "What? There's a portal reference?! And GET TO DA CHOPPA?!?! DUDE! I totally need this!"
It's a slick move, and not one I'm too happy about in the least bit. I'm reluctant to get this game.
The combination of these things are just not purposeful, not having any real connection to the game at all, and thus not really adding to any potential humor the game has. It's a man exploding! Was sprinkling "for science" really needed to get any attention or hilarity across? No.
I saw a quick look of this game on Giant Bomb and saw that it was about a man exploding. That's all I needed.
This extra stuff was just a safety net to get the geeks that aren't checking up on the gaming scene 24/7. That way they hear from their uber geek friends about this stuff and go, "What? There's a portal reference?! And GET TO DA CHOPPA?!?! DUDE! I totally need this!"
It's a slick move, and not one I'm too happy about in the least bit. I'm reluctant to get this game.
Not everyone who uses a cake joke is a moron, not everyone who makes a quick Monty Python joke is a moron either, but God damn, there's a huge number of morons in the world who won't stop repeating things in general, so I can understand how you'd get annoyed, Yahtzee.
However, I've made cake and Monty Python jokes, but I do like to think that since 99.99% of every online conversation I've ever had has involved neither cakes, spam or Spaniards, I'm not a moron.
That's why I posted this, really.
I don't believe myself a moron, but hey, if I was, self-analysis wouldn't exactly be my strong suit, would it?
Heh.
However, I've made cake and Monty Python jokes, but I do like to think that since 99.99% of every online conversation I've ever had has involved neither cakes, spam or Spaniards, I'm not a moron.
That's why I posted this, really.
I don't believe myself a moron, but hey, if I was, self-analysis wouldn't exactly be my strong suit, would it?
Heh.
And, the cake just isn't a lie! Oh yee of little faith. Seriously:
Obviously in the game, the computer-master teases you as you play it's human guinea pig, saying; There Will Be Cake once you have finished the tasks. But naturally, this use of the light & moist confection was reminiscent of the usual elusive carrot on a stick. -What we're striving for when we carry on playing a level we're stuck on even though it's no longer fun. -Some virtue to the whole bloody expensive pastime to make it worthwhile. -Some dividend to make all the toil worth it.
Nintendo tried to capture all this in it's hollow, inedible Mario-Star... But perhaps some sort of celebratory, birthday-related foodstuff? Our collective subconscious seems to accept that suggestion merrily.
(-Portal spoilers-) And then the cake gets used in a catchphrase, the scrawled words from a player who's gone before on a wall: teh CAKe is a LIE. This statement demonstrates our fears quite neatly I think. Thoughts like "Yes- What if there is none of this mysterious cake? Or any other version of it? What If all this button mashing is in vain?" And similar paranoid ramblings. Then, thankfully, though the game admits that the cake is largely forgotten by everyone but the player, it is still there deep in a storage room. Indeed, lights are flickering on before your eyes, illuminating it. Quaint.
(Portal Spoilers no more) So you overquoters aren't just boring with the repetition, you're depressing with the actual sentiment.
My friend was dangerously addicted to games- almost two days nonstop Final Fantasy anyone?- And recently, after staying out of the conversation for a while, he interjected thusly, with eyes sad as a kitten's beneath big bushy eyebrows, in a voice as grave as ashes; "The cake is a lie, Will." Now that's some sad shit, because he knew what it meant. I tried to argue with him, but no, he's lost his faith in teh games. He still plays them but he thinks they're Evil.
Now I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not going to go spreading false rumours that the sweet treat in the middle of all this is non existent, I'm going to try and change this Medium a little, pulling it away from the hellish, beauracratic, marketing-based, capitalistic brink by which it is stumbling, (and which GLADos epitomised so perfectly), towards somewhere more fair. I get the feeling that if we change the atmosphere games are created in then more concepts will get the chance to grow into intelligent, creative and worthwhile pieces of culture.
Chant "Down With Peter Molyneux" instead!- I'm sure his team's fine, but he seems to only get excited about taking people's money.
Obviously in the game, the computer-master teases you as you play it's human guinea pig, saying; There Will Be Cake once you have finished the tasks. But naturally, this use of the light & moist confection was reminiscent of the usual elusive carrot on a stick. -What we're striving for when we carry on playing a level we're stuck on even though it's no longer fun. -Some virtue to the whole bloody expensive pastime to make it worthwhile. -Some dividend to make all the toil worth it.
Nintendo tried to capture all this in it's hollow, inedible Mario-Star... But perhaps some sort of celebratory, birthday-related foodstuff? Our collective subconscious seems to accept that suggestion merrily.
(-Portal spoilers-) And then the cake gets used in a catchphrase, the scrawled words from a player who's gone before on a wall: teh CAKe is a LIE. This statement demonstrates our fears quite neatly I think. Thoughts like "Yes- What if there is none of this mysterious cake? Or any other version of it? What If all this button mashing is in vain?" And similar paranoid ramblings. Then, thankfully, though the game admits that the cake is largely forgotten by everyone but the player, it is still there deep in a storage room. Indeed, lights are flickering on before your eyes, illuminating it. Quaint.
(Portal Spoilers no more) So you overquoters aren't just boring with the repetition, you're depressing with the actual sentiment.
My friend was dangerously addicted to games- almost two days nonstop Final Fantasy anyone?- And recently, after staying out of the conversation for a while, he interjected thusly, with eyes sad as a kitten's beneath big bushy eyebrows, in a voice as grave as ashes; "The cake is a lie, Will." Now that's some sad shit, because he knew what it meant. I tried to argue with him, but no, he's lost his faith in teh games. He still plays them but he thinks they're Evil.
Now I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not going to go spreading false rumours that the sweet treat in the middle of all this is non existent, I'm going to try and change this Medium a little, pulling it away from the hellish, beauracratic, marketing-based, capitalistic brink by which it is stumbling, (and which GLADos epitomised so perfectly), towards somewhere more fair. I get the feeling that if we change the atmosphere games are created in then more concepts will get the chance to grow into intelligent, creative and worthwhile pieces of culture.
Chant "Down With Peter Molyneux" instead!- I'm sure his team's fine, but he seems to only get excited about taking people's money.
More like the Internet gets old very fastGunner_Guardian said:
.It's 1% creative folks and 99% people regurgitating what those creative folks said.
I'm not tugging my own wang here, I may be one of those 99% too, doesn't make it any less annoying.
lol. Seriously about the Molyneux: Keep an eye on him, he won't admit it but his dream job would be running the Matrix.