Square Enix Dusts Off Final Fantasy X for PS3 Remake

[ObsessiveSketch]

<spoiler=FUCKING SPOILER>a hero that was the dream of a dead civilization - and no, I'm not making that up.
Is this^^^ really so hard to do?

 

[Arqus_Zed]

Remake? Feh. It's just going to be a simple re-release, no tweaks whatsoever, mark my words. They might give the old NTSC-crowd the whole dark aeon/Penance thing that was only in the PAL versions... But otherwise, no, they're not going to waste any money on it.

Also, people only think FF VII was so darn great because
1) it was the first FF with polygons.
2) it was cyberpunk instead of Tolkien-esque fantasy.
3) it was the first on the PSOne, the console that brought gaming to the masses, for many people FF VII was a first.
4) the originality of the materia system that introduced some sort of "create you own job" mentality.

So yeah, except for the evolution in setup mechanics that the materia-system introduced, the game wasn't all that special.

Personally, I'd rather see an HD remake of FF IX. It didn't do wonders when it came to setup or battle mechanics, but BY GOD did it have interesting characters, beautiful (and original) environments, simple but great music and a solid fairytale-esque epic for a story.

 

[go-10]

I really hope they cut/fix that laughing scene and they either use the Blitzball that was used in FFX-2 or remove it altogether.
Dodging 100 thunder, chocobo racing in 00" seconds, monster hunting, battling all my summons again at whatever level I left them, having Kimari as a playable character, no gunner Yuna or thief Rikku... never mind I might not be picking this up after all

 

[Atmos Duality]

While I agree with the sentiment that is just not accurate. To remake FF7 they'd have to either build it from the start as a full polygon-based game, which has been dismissed as non viable time and time again; reach a compromise like using the mini-me versions of the characters for the whole game, or leave as it is and get a lot of flak for not updating it enough. The assets on which ff7 was built are in essence, low poly characters and heavily pixellated dated cg backgrounds. So yeah, it'd be like making a brand new game.

You do realize that Squeenix can't just overhaul the original Emotion-Engine-driven FF10 by slapping some hi-resolution textures onto the outdated models and call it a "remake", right?

There is no reason for one game to cost more than the other based on content-generation alone; both titles are already so far behind the modern tech standards that the content (even with a baseline to work with) would have to be re-generated from scratch anyway just to work on the tech that they have (PS3).

A remake means using the original as a logical blueprint and bringing it into the modern era.
FF10 being in full-3D is in no way going to make content-generation on the PS3 platform cheaper, because Squeenix cannot recycle the old data directly without making the game look terribly dated.

They're going to have to create just as many brand-new 3D environments for a FF10 remake as they are for a FF7 remake (the only major difference being with the world-map of FF7; which can be abstracted as they did in Crisis Core, if they so chose).

When they're saying they're not making PS3 level remakes they mean they cannot afford to develop games of the old series' breadth and complexity within the demands of PS3 level game development.

I'm not sure I follow. FF7, mechanically, is in no way more complex than FF10.

Because it's not as if Final Fantasy X was already a fully 3D RPG with high-polished graphics that can be easily re-textured and upscaled, opposed to Final Fantasy 7's nigh un-useable low poly characters and pixellated 2D backgrounds. Nope, it must be because Square Enix are mean bastards who want to specifically piss you off.

Second verse, same as the first.
You can't just transplant game content between incompatible platforms and call it a day (when it works, it's called "porting". This is a "remake".)
If you're doing a remake, you use the original as a design guideline. The medium of said guideline doesn't matter if the cost to generate the new content is the same.

I can create a high resolution model of a race car using an artist's rendition, or I can base it on the actual car. Either way, the cost to generate my 3D model is going to be the same because it's going to use the SAME TECH TO GENERATE THAT MODEL EITHER WAY.

I really wish some people would think before they speak.

I really wish people would leave their smug, implied ad-hominems out their posts when making their arguments.

 

[Zorg Machine]

it's my favorite FF game by far (dodges hate wave) and I think this it's great that they let other people have a go at it.

the only problem I have with the game is the secret bosses. don't get me wrong, I love the fact that there are secret and unlockable bosses in the game but the way FFX does it is simply ridiculous.

so we have a being that is named sin. it is the most powerful creature in the universe. however, we have special people who control super creatures who are 100000times more powerful than sin, and they have a boss who could defeat each of the super creatures with a sneeze.

Spoiler

 yes yes, there's a little bit more to it than that but yu yevon created the dark aeons and penance and yet, I can one shot every form of sin and yu yevon while being absolutely demolished by dark valefor.

only read if you have finished the game/have no intention of ever blessing your mind with a fantastic game.

 

[go-10]

While I agree with the sentiment that is just not accurate. To remake FF7 they'd have to either build it from the start as a full polygon-based game, which has been dismissed as non viable time and time again; reach a compromise like using the mini-me versions of the characters for the whole game, or leave as it is and get a lot of flak for not updating it enough. The assets on which ff7 was built are in essence, low poly characters and heavily pixellated dated cg backgrounds. So yeah, it'd be like making a brand new game.

You do realize that Squeenix can't just overhaul the original Emotion-Engine-driven FF10 by slapping some hi-resolution textures onto the outdated models and call it a "remake", right?

There is no reason for one game to cost more than the other based on content-generation alone; both titles are already so far behind the modern tech standards that the content (even with a baseline to work with) would have to be re-generated from scratch anyway just to work on the tech that they have (PS3).

A remake means using the original as a logical blueprint and bringing it into the modern era.
FF10 being in full-3D is in no way going to make content-generation on the PS3 platform cheaper, because Squeenix cannot recycle the old data directly without making the game look terribly dated.

They're going to have to create just as many brand-new 3D environments for a FF10 remake as they are for a FF7 remake (the only major difference being with the world-map of FF7; which can be abstracted as they did in Crisis Core, if they so chose).

When they're saying they're not making PS3 level remakes they mean they cannot afford to develop games of the old series' breadth and complexity within the demands of PS3 level game development.

I'm not sure I follow. FF7, mechanically, is in no way more complex than FF10.

Because it's not as if Final Fantasy X was already a fully 3D RPG with high-polished graphics that can be easily re-textured and upscaled, opposed to Final Fantasy 7's nigh un-useable low poly characters and pixellated 2D backgrounds. Nope, it must be because Square Enix are mean bastards who want to specifically piss you off.

Second verse, same as the first.
You can't just transplant game content between incompatible platforms and call it a day (when it works, it's called "porting". This is a "remake".)
If you're doing a remake, you use the original as a design guideline. The medium of said guideline doesn't matter if the cost to generate the new content is the same.

I can create a high resolution model of a race car using an artist's rendition, or I can base it on the actual car. Either way, the cost to generate my 3D model is going to be the same because it's going to use the SAME TECH TO GENERATE THAT MODEL EITHER WAY.

I really wish some people would think before they speak.

I really wish people would leave their smug, implied ad-hominems out their posts when making their arguments.

while I agree and support an FFVII remake I have too add another point to your argument look at it from a selling point view, SE would benefit from an FFVII remake immensely. So why release it now when they have so many upcoming games that can clearly hold their own?
I say they save it for when they actually need it or the PS5. I rather they give me a game for VITA that's a mix between Ninja Gaiden, God of War, and Legend of Zelda where the main is Tifa in the time Cloud was asleep in Nibelheim, we get to see her train with Master Zangan, the time between the end of VII and Advent Children, and the time between Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, and finally after Dirge which gives the setting for the next and final game which should be the LAST game and in turn an RPG a la FF XIII and end the story of Genesis, Sephiroth, that final boss from Dirge (I forgot his name), and Jenova and give closure to all the characters and FF VII series as a whole

 

[Atmos Duality]

while I agree and support an FFVII remake I have too add another point to your argument look at it from a selling point view, SE would benefit from an FFVII remake immensely. So why release it now when they have so many upcoming games that can clearly hold their own?

Squeenix does have a lot on their plate as both a publisher and a developer..perhaps they are testing the waters with FF10 before deciding to commit to a FF7 remake. Though after last year, they need to balance their load VERY carefully.

As a personal matter, I don't really want to see FF7 get remade for strangely similar reason some don't like the "Remastered" original Star Wars movies. The "Compilation/Compendium" series of FF7 was...ugh. Convoluted to say the least, and that's on top of an already convoluted main story.

I say they save it for when they actually need it or the PS5. I rather they give me a game for VITA that's a mix between Ninja Gaiden, God of War, and Legend of Zelda where the main is Tifa in the time Cloud was asleep in Nibelheim, we get to see her train with Master Zangan, the time between the end of VII and Advent Children, and the time between Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, and finally after Dirge which gives the setting for the next and final game which should be the LAST game and in turn an RPG a la FF XIII and end the story of Genesis, Sephiroth, that final boss from Dirge (I forgot his name), and Jenova and give closure to all the characters and FF VII series as a whole

Well, they could do more spinoffs, but if they're going to do that, they need to lead it into a big franchise cluster (like they're trying to do with FF13. That "Fabula Nova Crystalis" plan or whatever); preferably based on a very GOOD core game.

I'll agree with one thing: If I had to play Devil's Advocate, and state which character's story could use the spinoff-expansion treatment the most, it'd probably be Tifa's. Big Breast jokes aside, she's actually fairly well-developed. One of the best characters in FF7.

 

[Xan Krieger]

I might have to get a PS3 just for this game, now if only they'd remake Front Mission 3 as well.

 

[nothingspringstomind]

Trophy support for a game i sunk 200+ hours into? I think so!

Now if i can only get them to remake FFX-2 as well...

[sub]Shut up! It had the best battle system in Final Fantasy so far![/sub]

Spoiler: Captcha

immunogold... i may patent that.

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

I'm not saying this to offend anyone.

Final Fantasy X represents a very important milestone in my development as a gamer - it was the first time I found myself brave enough to disagree with the vast majority of reviewers about the quality of a game.

Before FFX, I more or less accepted the opinions of websites and magazines as gospel. If they said a game was bad, it was bad; good, good.

Then I played FFX. All of the reviewers gave it 9s and 10s. They praised everything about the game. Me? I was at a loss. The game I was playing seemed infantile, poorly written, and often just stupid. The story was a mess. The dialogue was truly awful. The gameplay seemed dated. I felt like I was taking crazy pills.

Of course I eventually came to realize that websites and magazines have a fairly overt interest in promoting high profile games regardless of their actual merit. Now I tend to dismiss sequels and AAA titles as a rule, only swooping down to grab those I've personally demo'd.

Anyways, yeah. Couldn't be less excited for this HD re-release. Pretty much the exact opposite of my feelings towards the imminent re-release of Ico/SotC.

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

A FFX remake. Cause you know, fuck new and original games and all that jazz. Let's suck that titty dry till it deflates like a balloon.

 

[Kae]

Um.. interesting move but the only Final Fantasies I care about are VI and the Tactics series so unless it's one of those I don't really care

 

[Something Amyss]

Oh Good. Blitzball in HD.

Of course, if they released FFVII, there would be literally nothing to tease fans with anymore.

 

[Custard_Angel]

Why is Square Enix the only company who gets away with releasing the exact same game multiple times?

I know there's the whole stigma of Call of Duty games being the same exact thing repeated, but even though the games are incredibly similar, they're still new games. You don't see "Call of Duty 2 to be re-released on PS3, do you?

This shit just makes me hate Square Enix more.

Way more than EA and Capcom and any of the others...

 

[Atmos Duality]

Why is Square Enix the only company who gets away with releasing the exact same game multiple times?

Nintendo and my 3DS would like to have a word with you...

 

[Custard_Angel]

Why is Square Enix the only company who gets away with releasing the exact same game multiple times?

Nintendo and my 3DS would like to have a word with you...

Hmm, very true.

Then again, I don't know many people who legitimately view the 3DS as anything more than a fad system.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Then again, I don't know many people who legitimately view the 3DS as anything more than a fad system.

It's a good piece of hardware. But without a solid business plan to bring games to the system, yeah, it's going to remain a fad.

I got mine for my birthday out of the blue. While I do get some use out of it (just put it down to reply to this post, oh irony of ironies) I don't know how long that will last.

 

[Byere]

It makes sense, all the other FF games have had a revamped/new console release, this was the next in line.

Unless you could the PC version/s, VII, VIII and IX never had a "revamp/new console release".

Do you head that? That's the sound of The Spoony One screaming in horror.

Yea, this made me lol, hard!

OT: Yea... no.
Much as I loved some of the soundtrack and even blitzball and while I don't consider it the worst game in the series it's still nowhere near the best and shouldn't have a remake/revamp. I admit, I'm one of these people clammering on for a total remake of VII, but at the same time, I hope that (should they actually remake it) they don't turn it into some cheesy action-bullshit RPG-wannabe like they did with XI, XII and XIII. Same goes for this apparent remake of X actually... I want it to stick to being turn-based.

 

[tahrey]

"Missed"? It's still in my PS2, languishing not-quite-hooked-up under the TV in my new place, and still not quite finished...

It can't be that hard or expensive just to pick up the original and the system to play it on can it? If you get the Slim, it doesn't even take up a significant amount of room.

That doesn't make it portable, does it?

Funny, I wasn't aware of there being a portable PS3, either. Remake it for the Vita, sure... no problems there.

Of course the PS3 part is arguably just all part of their nefarious "ditch backwards compatibility then make a bucket of money re-selling previous generation games with a minor graphical buff instead of allowing people to play the old ones on new hardware with added texture upscaling and full-scene antialiasing" plan... Oh Sony, you so greedy ^_^