Stan Lee on "Black Spider-Man"

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I'm so tired of the blackwashing everyone wants to do just because it is racially sensitive. I'm sorry, but if a classically black character had a white actor cast as them there would be outrage. It's wrong to change art just because you can. It might be unpopular, but Spiderman's entire background would be different if he were black. It would also require them to cast a black Aunt May and Uncle Ben, or else it would be completely confusing.
 

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I really think he's just saying "it's not a bad idea" so he doesn't look like an ass hat. Honestly, if it were my creation and it gathered that much fame and all of a sudden some person whats to make a change like that, I wouldn't approve of it. Spider-man is white, and should always be white. The character is potrayed VERY white, name something spiderman does that would seem unnatural for a caucasian male to do!
 

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And what's the difference...?

It's not like being white is a huge part of his character or anything. Why should his skin color even matter?
 

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I love the Danny on derrickcomedy and community. But that is where he should stay. It frustrated me to see Nick Fury played by Sam Jackson. I like the nostalgia in things I grew up with. I grew up with a white spider-man and I want to die seeing a white spider-man. Don't change race to draw certain groups of people in. If you are making a Spider-man movie gear it towards spider-man fans.
 

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F-I-D-O said:
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We had a Black Green lantern, and that worked wonderfully well. I'd be down to seeing a black Spider Man, if the role fit. Though, he'd have to black and nerdy, though, otherwise the figure just doesn't hold in mind. Though...what if he were the Lizard, or Doc Ock? That might be a better fit, no?
A black Osbourn (sp) family would be awesome! Black Dr. Doom (he's a spidey villain) wold be another cool one.
Dr. Doom the Fantastic Four crossover villain? Or was there a Dr Doom I managed to miss somewhere?
That Dr. Doom. Originally he was a Spidey villain, but he has become associated with the Fantastic Four. The DD in the FF movie was pathetic. HE DOESN'T HAVE ELECTRIC POWERS!
Quite so. Didn't know that bit about the Spidey part, I'd always associated him to Reed and co. Good to know. Though I dunno about him as a Doom...He looks too nice.
 

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IMO, it can be done. If the actor is rather good, then hey, cool story

I mean, it's already been done with Fury
 

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BehattedWanderer said:
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BehattedWanderer said:
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BehattedWanderer said:
We had a Black Green lantern, and that worked wonderfully well. I'd be down to seeing a black Spider Man, if the role fit. Though, he'd have to black and nerdy, though, otherwise the figure just doesn't hold in mind. Though...what if he were the Lizard, or Doc Ock? That might be a better fit, no?
A black Osbourn (sp) family would be awesome! Black Dr. Doom (he's a spidey villain) wold be another cool one.
Dr. Doom the Fantastic Four crossover villain? Or was there a Dr Doom I managed to miss somewhere?
That Dr. Doom. Originally he was a Spidey villain, but he has become associated with the Fantastic Four. The DD in the FF movie was pathetic. HE DOESN'T HAVE ELECTRIC POWERS!
Quite so. Didn't know that bit about the Spidey part, I'd always associated him to Reed and co. Good to know. Though I dunno about him as a Doom...He looks too nice.
Yeah, this actor looks to happy. A different actor (but still black) might be interesting for Doom
 

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antipunt said:
IMO, it can be done. If the actor is rather good, then hey, cool story

I mean, it's already been done with Fury
Yeah, but with Fury there is a black version in the comics. With Spidey, there has never been a black version, which is the main issue.
 

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Logan Westbrook said:
and we've had Nick Fury portrayed by a black man where he was white in the comics. "
Nah, that was different. Ultimate Nick Fury IS Samuel L. Jackson, so that was fine for the nerds/us.

As a black person, I don't think Spiderman should be black, solely for the reason Staniel said, it would be confusing and wouldn't make sense in a way. You aren't supposed to feck with things like that because the purists came to see their favourite characters just the way they remember them.
 

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I grew with Spider-man, and loved the cartoon dearly.
However, Toby MacGuire ruined the character for me something bad even though he fit into the general stereotype of Peter Parker.

At this point, it needs a reboot and I wouldn't mind seeing a black spider-man.
Now, I'm a white Jew so its not something racial, I just think it will be really interesting to try to connect to a black spider-man.
Maybe a reimagining of the character is what Marvel needs, kind of what DC does just without creating a storyline for it (I'm thinking Green Lantern here).

Cartman[as Mitch Connor]: We got a black president but whitey still doesn't trust me to use play spider-man. :)
 

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But Tobey Maguire was perfect. If anything, he was written terribly, but his sappy, pathetic emotions was perfect when lined up with the current Spider-Man
Yeah, I agree. He was a good casting for the role, and you could really see it in the first movie. I don't think you can blame him for how the more recent movies turned out.
Fair enough, but I think if there is any criticism to be had, it's that he wasn't wisecracking or cheeky enough. That is something you especially notice in the team-ups.

All of the Marvel-produced movies are melding the Ultimates universe and the classic comics to some degree. Which kind of makes sense, since they're retelling origin stories in the current time (which is what the Ultimate series was all about). Nick Fury's race is just the most obvious thing from the Ultimate series to show up.

Glover would probably make a good Black Panther though. Probably not Luke Cage.
I'm not sure about either. Snipes would be a better Panther, and perhaps a fresh actor for Lu-

Hal Jordan is the only Green Lantern. The others are just sidekicks ;)
OH DEAR GOD TAKE THAT BACK!

I mean come now, the goody two-shoes demeanor of Kyle Rayner/Ion? The cold blooded wisecracking Guy Gardner? The badass John Stewart? The...um...well Alan Scott isn't important, but the rest are just as important as Jordan!

/rant
 

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Actually about Nick Fury...

If I remember right the "Ultimate" version was always black, and made to look like a bit like Samuel L. Jackson. I really don't care though as long as it's good. Although if his uncle specializes in cooking rice then...
You're right. Original Nick Fury was modelled on James Dean, as he was seen as the coolest man of that generation (I'm not joking, this is true)
Whereas Ultimates Nick Fury was black long before the Iron Man films, because he was modelled on Sam L Jackson, deemed the coolest man of our generation. Jackson was flattered by this and so was given the part for the films. And that's a FACT

So yeah OT: I think it'd be an interesting changeup for the franchise to have him portrayed as being black. I'm well up for it
Although I'm pissed off in general that Marvel have decided to just reboot Spider-man rather than make a fourth film with Tobey Maguire. What's the point in just re-releasing the first film?! It makes no sense and I hate it
 

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I thought this article would be about spidey's black suit.
I was looking around this forum for posts that might mention that... And if there weren't any, I would instantly post a picture of the Symbiote Spidey.
 

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F-I-D-O said:
Yeah, this actor looks to happy. A different actor (but still black) might be interesting for Doom
I quite agree, though if he goes in and nails the evil audition, I wouldn't mind seeing it.
 

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Con Carne said:
I like Beast being a gorilla-man thing instead of a humanoid cat creature.
Oddly enough, I think that was the best thing to happen to him. He looks like less of a fratboy toolbox now. Or just less of a retarded guy with bone crushing hands.

Edit: Moderately related.... Did anyone mention the part about The Punisher randomly becoming black for several issues? That was always interesting.
 

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Hrmn. On the one hand, what I want most is someone who can act, act well, and BE acting in a movie that doesn't suck *kaff*Spiderman3*kaff*. On the other hand... Peter Parker's family, his beliefs, his backstory, they work for him as he is. It's not a race thing quite as much as it is a cultural thing. It's the whole package. He's the unassuming white kid nerd in New York who doesn't come from money, sans parents, raised by his aunt & uncle.

To change one element is to ripple outward and change all elements. You can't just shift the race of the character and call it a day. Okay, what part of New York is he from? What does being a black kid with no parents growing up there mean? What was his childhood like? How does he interact in school? It's not as simple, as one person said, as the level of melanin in his skin. That's the starting point; you then need to consider what, as a result of that level of melanin, has also changed for him and for his situation. All things- culturally, family dynamics, friend dynamics, scholastic dynamics -changes when you change where a person came from, what their heritige is.

I'm not oppossed to the idea per say; I just think Hollywood would handle the idea of a black Spider-Man horribly. He'd either end up a stereotype, or he'd end up absolutely no different than original flavor Spider-Man, and both are damn wrong in their own way. Only- ONLY! -if they treated this logically, and gave the change the ramifications it deserved to have in a real world setting, would it fly with audiences.

Now, you tell me what's more likely; Marvel and those working under them for the new movie are going to take the extra time and effort and energy and think this through as deeply as it'd deserve to be thought through... or they just drop the idea and hire someone who looks more or less like the comic version and move on from that?
 

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poiuppx said:
I just think Hollywood would handle the idea of a black Spider-Man horribly. He'd either end up a stereotype, or he'd end up absolutely no different than original flavor Spider-Man, and both are damn wrong in their own way.
Hit the nail on the head. Hollywood does not have a firm grip on realities behind cultural issues. Even their "deep" works on race and culture end up laughably shallow (see "Crash"). In the right hands, this idea would be awesome, in the wrong hands...it makes me shudder to think about it.
 

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people said:
green lantern/hal jordan
Hal wasn't even the first Green Lantern. Alan Scott was twice the Lantern Hal will ever be.

And there's tons of Green Lanterns. That's why it's the Green Lantern Corps. Alan Scott was the first human one, a sort of fluke, outside the Corps. Hal Jordan was the first "human corpsman", then Kyle Rayner replaced him (who everyone hates anyway). After Kyle sucking, they brought in John Stewart, the black guy. But that was still a completely different Lantern, it's not like they just retconned him to being black to fill a status quo.

And Guy Gardner is the best Lantern anyway.
 

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F-I-D-O said:
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(I'm really hoping a Luke Cage movie gets made)
I remember hearing one was being made. I think it was going to be an Iron Fist, Luke Cage, then Heroes for Hire was what they were planning. Those may be started after Avengers or maybe same year (I doubt that, Marvel wouldn't want to have Avengers shadowing the other films).
It was confirmed, though very little of it from what I read (Iron Fist would be an awesome addition), but from what I can tell is that it'll be a low budget film. Marvel has the resources to release a movie every year at this point, that seems to be what they're doing (with the exception of 2012, which will be amazing before the end with Cap and the Avengers), so I can see Luke Cage getting released in a year on his own. And hopefully it'll bring attention to the lesser-known super hero and open the flood gates for other characters like him.

I heard Runaways is getting a movie or TV show too, so I'm very optimistic about the possibilities.
 

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Blueruler182 said:
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Blueruler182 said:
(I'm really hoping a Luke Cage movie gets made)
I remember hearing one was being made. I think it was going to be an Iron Fist, Luke Cage, then Heroes for Hire was what they were planning. Those may be started after Avengers or maybe same year (I doubt that, Marvel wouldn't want to have Avengers shadowing the other films).
It was confirmed, though very little of it from what I read (Iron Fist would be an awesome addition), but from what I can tell is that it'll be a low budget film. Marvel has the resources to release a movie every year at this point, that seems to be what they're doing (with the exception of 2012, which will be amazing before the end with Cap and the Avengers), so I can see Luke Cage getting released in a year on his own. And hopefully it'll bring attention to the lesser-known super hero and open the flood gates for other characters like him.

I heard Runaways is getting a movie or TV show too, so I'm very optimistic about the possibilities.
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