I wouldn't want that one flung at me in any context. I can understand your reasoning, but it would've been simpler to leave it out than try to justify.Kopikatsu said:
StarCraft 2 Tournament Boots Player for Rape Comment
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You mean the historical happening in which the Japanese army committed mass rape and mass murder in Nanjing? Yes, if you call it the Rape of Nanking you are explicitly referring to the sexual assaults on thousands of Chinese women by the Japanese Army.Kopikatsu said:
Rape may be a colloquial slang for totally dominating someone in a game, but that only tells us how immature gaming culture still is. It doesn't necessarily make this "lighthearted" use of the word alright.
Around here, you never know. I almost got docked for 'Silly' once. Explained that one down, though.JimB said:
You can make jokes about child molestion, jokes about murder, racist jokes, you can even make jokes about the holocaust. Now, of course there is an appropriate time and place for such dark humor, and a E-sports tournament probably isn't. But I don't buy the notion that, for some reason, you CANNOT MAKE RAPE JOKES at any circumstance. You are not the arbiter of which topics are allowed in humor and which aren't. There is a difference between joking about something and trivializing or even condoning it. In this particular case, the joke was a bit tasteless, but does not in any way justify the outrage that we are seeing.FalloutJack said:
You seem to be making this an all-or-nothing with your other examples, yet all of them are funny in a context by which nobody would mistake the context. (In this case, I would say Hellsing Abridged.) I was talking about frigging polite company. If you want to go try justifying the faux pas, go nuts. Or you tell a different joke and not have to explain it, because explaining jokes will often kill the joke. Now, I'm not sure of the context of your post, but you appear to be talking about things I didn't refer to.one squirrel said:
Agreed but in this case, the context was as clear as it gets. I already stated that I think that the joke was out of place, but it's context is clear. Everybody knows that he was talking about how he was going to dominate the match and not about how he had the intention of physically raping his opponent.FalloutJack said:
How has this thread become a debate? I'm confused. Surely it should just be "raep jokes among friends is fine but publicly posting a "joke" about raping your opponent, regardless of their gender, is so massively unprofessional that this dumb kid deserved to lose his spot in a professional tournament."
I think I love you a bitJimB said:
Well, the problem about humor is that even when they understand where you're coming from, it doesn't automatically prevent the joke from going over like a lead balloon. Comedy is a fickle subject. Trust me, I am not only a joker, but I actually took a course in college on this.one squirrel said:
Yeah, well the whole thing of using 'rape' in that kind of way is stupid anyway, and more people should be banned for saying it in general, because it's just stupid...jayzz911 said:
Also not remotely funny if it's ever happened to you.
Now, I know gamers well enough to know this is probably just trash-talk, but it's not amusing that we trivialise stuff like this so much.
Besides which, while it is usually trash-talk, there are some guys that just give off a creepy kind of vibe, where you're not really sure anymore if it's just something they say or if there's more to it than that...
Well, whatever. I can deal with it, but I wish it wasn't something I'd have to expect to deal with.
Off-topic, I was walking somewhere last night - Yeah, I walk around at night by myself, because stuff that paranoid bs. and a car pulled over with a creepy-looking guy asking me if I needed a lift home... Um, yeah. no. I may be fine with walking around at night by myself, but I'm not stupid. I wasn't on my way home anyway, he looked pretty creepy, and getting into a car with some random person is a known way to get yourself raped and murdered... Um... Anyway, having to think about this kind of stuff so often really kind of sucks... You never know who you can trust...
Not that any of that is directly relevant...
But basically, if you're one of those people that makes 'rape threats', even if you're using them just to get at your opponent in a game, please stop. It's not amusing. It doesn't do much to intimidate anyone, it's just annoying, and just a little pathetic. Actually all trash-talk is kind of pathetic really. How about you show me how good you are at the game, rather than wasting your time with dubious insults?
Well that's even more confusing. ... Eh. I don't even know with that one. It's a very stupid thing to say, but I have no idea at this point what to do with it.insaninater said:
Personally I'd ignore it. Not that it doesn't annoy me, but it's just... Whatever.
But as a thing to tell your fans... I have no idea...
yeah... I dont get into stranger's cars either. That's not a girl exclusive thing >.>.You also said creepy-looking guy, if it was a handsome guy would you have just gotten in the car no questions asked? otherwise what does it matter how he looked? And you know what's also not funny when it happened to you? jokes about guns,murder (if it happened to a loved one), disease,handicaps and this list could go on for years. They are not of limits that's just not the way it works. My right to speak and express myself however stupid you may find the way of me doing so, does not end when you feel offended.insaninater said:
And about me being a person making "rape threats", im going to assume you mean trash talking and using the word rape there? Yes i do occaisionally, regardless of the gender of my opponent. THEY ARE HOWEVER NOT RAPE THREATS, seriously. You can't call something without any hostile intent a threat, the only thing you are doing is trivializing the word threat. I'd comment on the victim society but I don't feel like getting hit with the banhammer and posting in this thread is already close enough to the edge of the hammer.
Edit: oops quoted the wrong person
Maddelisk did not have power to dq her opponent, nor did she take first place by getting offended by her opponent. She did not contact the organizers, asking for her opponent to be dq'd. The tourney chose to dq on their own, without her requesting anything.insaninater said:
A tournament has the right to control how it's image and to define what sort of behaviours it deems acceptable from participating players. Kas directly linked his tweet to the tourney with his hashtag. Twitter is a very public space online and those sorts of tweets tarnish the their tournament in the minds of the organizers. They are allowed to crack down on this behaviour, it's their tournament, their money and they want to create a tournament where 'raping' someone is not used in common parlance. Considering this is a Starcraft tournament and not a bro shooter, that's exactly what I would expect.
Oh, so your defense is really that it isn't an insult/jab meant to convey the message that you are about to sexually violate someone, it is an insult/jab meant to convey the message that you are about to violate or abuse someone. Yeah, that totally makes it much better and isn't just as horrible an implication...Kopikatsu said:
That was sarcasm, by the way. Because even if we go by the 4th definition that still means that saying you will "rape" your opponent is the equivalent of saying you will do them bodily or mental harm against their will.
So when Iron Mike says in front of millions of people that he'll tear his opponent limb from limb, that's perfectly OK. But an SC2 gamer saying he will rape his opponent? OH NO, FIRE, MURDER, CALL THE NATIONAL GUARD!
What I see is a ridiculous, Fahrenheitesque mentality of PC run amok. Somehow people are trying to sell us that rape and talking about rape is a billion times worse than murder, mutilation, pillaging and genocide. It's a dangerous trend that trivializes genuine threats by putting them on one level with bad-taste athletic smacktalk or harmless jokes.
What I see is a ridiculous, Fahrenheitesque mentality of PC run amok. Somehow people are trying to sell us that rape and talking about rape is a billion times worse than murder, mutilation, pillaging and genocide. It's a dangerous trend that trivializes genuine threats by putting them on one level with bad-taste athletic smacktalk or harmless jokes.
Wikipedia lists about fifteen people who go by the nickname of "Iron Mike." Would you please clarify whom you're talking about?Kathinka said:
Also, I admit I was only skimming the last few posts (I just woke up and my eyes are too bleary for long posts), but nevertheless, I'm relatively confident no one actually said what you're accusing us of hypocritically saying. No one has spoken up to condemn Iron Mike specifically because this thread isn't about him and football or baseball or wrestling or boxing or tennis or kickboxing or whichever sport your particular Iron Mike plays. It's about a video games tournament. If it will satisfy you, then fine, I'll condemn threats to draw and quarter someone as probably being unprofessional too, though I'm not the first person to say so even in this thread. Now, with that done, I hope we can go back to the actual topic of conversation at hand.
Then forgive me, but I have to question the validity of your perspective, since I don't remember anyone talking about alerting legal or military forces, nor attempting to create some hierarchy of sins on which rape is the worst, talking about rape is the second worst, and genocide is one billion sin-units worse than either of those. This kind of hyperbole is doing less to convince me personally that anything is wrong with "people" (whichever people you're actually talking about) than with your ability to form proportionate judgments about things that upset you: The situation here is very simple. A person who was entered into a professional tournament made an unprofessional comment, and the tournament's masters felt that since he made the comment while participating in their event, he was doing so while wearing the cloak of their professional image and therefore a response was demanded of them. He was then eliminated from a chance to win an award for pretending to be an army of alien bugs eating alien elves. This is not exactly a violation of his civil rights.Kathinka said: