Who is this Rick and why can he pay it back?MelasZepheos said:Do you know who can pay that sort of money back? Rick people.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Who is this Rick and why can he pay it back?MelasZepheos said:Do you know who can pay that sort of money back? Rick people.
Pretty much my opinion, as well.Bobic said:Anyway, I am very much against the violent destructive side of the protest. It undermines any serious point people were trying to make, it also causes the protesters to appear like a bunch of uncivilised scumbags.
Well actually it does effect Scottish unis but not Scottish nationals, Anyone wanting to go to a Scottish uni who isnt from Scotland still has too pay the increased amount. (Lucky people from Scotland = P)SuccessAndBiscuts said:I would like to register my support for the protesters although you might want to add that this is almost entirely "south of the border" in England/Wales just now.Kirkby said:Hey everyone, to catch up none UK residents and people not watching the news....
Yet another reason I am glad to be Scottish first, British second.
Regarding the effectiveness violence gets attention, I'm not saying its right I'm saying it works (see also terrorism) Also "everyone is calling it a disgrace" makes me laugh. France dissolves into chaos at a threat of raising the retirement age but a bunch of students making a protest where some cause a bit of trouble is a disgrace?
Different people different lives I guess.
The annoying thing about that is that i'm at uni now but at the time of the recent elections i was about a month too young to vote so i have to put up with the results of a decision I was deemed too young to make.Hgame said:Another idiotic decision from Britain, the Con-Dem-nation.
A little number cruncher:
Potential money saved from all of the cuts (Yes all of them) over the next 4 years: £81 Billion
Potential money saved from scrapping Trident, a useless and outdated system: £97 Billion
Now you see why you shouldnt vote for the Tories (or the Lib-Dems, those backstabbing bastards)
I don't want to be a grammar nazi but here on the escapist we like to use grammar and check our spellings.Hoodsie said:Lol its the english democtatic system.. nobody votesBobic said:Some wanker? You're aware that more than one person voted right?Hoodsie said:Some wanker voted the fucking tories into power.. this is what happenes, they're trying to make uni's exactly like private schools, only the rich can go there... now isnt that a CHANGE from their usual policy
(yea was a typo )
good for the students, especially the ones who used violence. Before you idiots start quoting Gandhi let me remind that 1 million people came to the streets of London to protest against going to war in Iraq and we STILL went. And that protest was peaceful beyond any reason. And let me also remind you that protesting against anything is harder than ever in this country. You have details taken, photographs taken, can be arrested under anti-terrorism legislation for protesting, black listed, etc. Please don't be simple by saying that all these students had to so was protest peacefully because lets face it the government will be passing this through parliament whether anyone likes it or not. It's better to go down fighting than on your knees. I just hope there are more protests like this in the future.Bobic said:You obviously missed the bit where someone threw a fire extinguisher onto the police from the roof, that coulda been quite deadly.
Also, I wouldn't say the media are that up in arms about it, both bbc and sky news have made a point about saying that only a few of the protesters are being twonks and that most of the students there were being nice, peaceful and productive.
Anyway, I am very much against the violent destructive side of the protest. It undermines any serious point people were trying to make, it also causes the protesters to appear like a bunch of uncivilised scumbags.
And to anyone that says they don't think peaceful protests can work I'll ask you to remember ghandi, the guy's a household name for a reason
It's only £9000 for certain unis, ie the best ones. You can bet Cambridge, Oxford, York and Warick will all go up to 9 Grand a year. How is this at all fucking fair esspecially coming from people who had their education for free.Cargando said:£9000?! Damn, I thought tuition fees were only increasing to £6000 a year. I don't really blame the students for being angry about this, these increases are pretty alarming. On the other hand I hardly see what smashing a few windows will achieve, other than some arrests...
On a side note, does anyone know any decent universities abroad? I have no idea how to quickly see how a good a countries' universities are. What with fees going up and up, I'm becoming more tempted to leave Britain altogher.
Fine I'll speak in complete, and utter, proper english, ultimatly checking my gramatical errors of long words with my new and completly spiffing international web-browser named "google chrome" It's a spiffing thing to have!Holy_Handgrenade said:I don't want to be a grammar nazi but here on the escapist we like to use grammar and check our spellings.Hoodsie said:Lol its the english democtatic system.. nobody votesBobic said:Some wanker? You're aware that more than one person voted right?Hoodsie said:Some wanker voted the fucking tories into power.. this is what happenes, they're trying to make uni's exactly like private schools, only the rich can go there... now isnt that a CHANGE from their usual policy
(yea was a typo )
Yes because I would just LOVE to pay for a loan that I can never clear, rather than one I can work back to paying. Higher fees is the best choice in a bad bunch.Danny Ocean said:Yes they do. They said a while ago, on paper, that they advocate the 1% extra tax for the rest of your life (or whatever the value was) in the place of extra fees. Seemed like a great idea to me, too. There's always the odd millionaire who can make up for all the other middle peeps.Sebenko said:Though I'm against the increase in fees, I'm also against the Student's Union, since they don't seem to have a FUCKING ALTERNATIVE.
What field are you looking to get into?Cargando said:£9000?! Damn, I thought tuition fees were only increasing to £6000 a year. I don't really blame the students for being angry about this, these increases are pretty alarming. On the other hand I hardly see what smashing a few windows will achieve, other than some arrests...
On a side note, does anyone know any decent universities abroad? I have no idea how to quickly see how a good a countries' universities are. What with fees going up and up, I'm becoming more tempted to leave Britain altogher.
If they'll be passing it no matter what what's the point in causing pointless destruction and injuring innocent, hard working, productive police officers?thebighead01 said:good for the students, especially the ones who used violence. Before you idiots start quoting Gandhi let me remind that 1 million people came to the streets of London to protest against going to war in Iraq and we STILL went. And that protest was peaceful beyond any reason. And let me also remind you that protesting against anything is harder than ever in this country. You have details taken, photographs taken, can be arrested under anti-terrorism legislation for protesting, black listed, etc. Please don't be simple by saying that all these students had to so was protest peacefully because lets face it the government will be passing this through parliament whether anyone likes it or not. It's better to go down fighting than on your knees. I just hope there are more protests like this in the future.Bobic said:You obviously missed the bit where someone threw a fire extinguisher onto the police from the roof, that coulda been quite deadly.
Also, I wouldn't say the media are that up in arms about it, both bbc and sky news have made a point about saying that only a few of the protesters are being twonks and that most of the students there were being nice, peaceful and productive.
Anyway, I am very much against the violent destructive side of the protest. It undermines any serious point people were trying to make, it also causes the protesters to appear like a bunch of uncivilised scumbags.
And to anyone that says they don't think peaceful protests can work I'll ask you to remember ghandi, the guy's a household name for a reason
I... don't see how you get these numbers. If you paid £9000 a year on tuition fees plus your £3000 in living loan you're looking at a final sum of £36k. This is £18,000 different to the higher number you've just given me, which suggests the poorest students are given £9000 (your £3000 + £6000 to make up the difference) a year to live on as well. This is just plain incorrect.MelasZepheos said:I am from a Middle Class family, and since the Student Loan (for living expenses) is calculated based on household income, I get the lowest amount of £3,000. Meaning I will leave university with £18,000 of debt. If a working class family gets the full amount of Student Loan and a £9,000 loan or grant for tuition, they will leave with approximately £54,000 in debt. This is not fair. Even the Middle Class kids will leave with £27,000 now.
The amount you pay back would be tied to your income upon leaving Uni, just as it is now. After hitting £21,000 you pay back 9% of whatever you earn each year - whether your from a rich or poor background you pay back the exact same amount. The "social elite" have no advantage here, since the amount you pay back is progessive.MelasZepheos said:It's not fair and it's probably not possible for them to pay this back. Do you know who can pay that sort of money back? Rick people, the upper class, the so-called 'Social Elite.'
Now this is the kind of thing that *should* cause protests - it's a completely different beast to the current proposals, since private loans *have* to be repaid and generally aren't progressive at all.MelasZepheos said:Do you know what they'll do next? They have plans to privatise the institution of the Student Loan. That means that Student Loans will be controlled by private firms, like getting a bank loan, interest will kick in immediately after you finish, or even while you're still at university, and will be at a rate set by the private company, not the government. There will only be two kinds of student in the future, those who are from rich families and go to university, and everyone else, who doesn't.
Waterloo, Nanotechnology engineering.lacktheknack said:Wow. Which university is this?!Hashime said:$11 500 Canadian for tuition, residence is $6000 a year.lacktheknack said:How much? I have to pay ~$6000 a year (about 3000 pounds... huh).Hashime said:That is a lot of money, significantly more than I pay, and I am in very close to the most expensive university program in Canada.
Yeah, but all the universities are going to increase substantially, I was just wondering if it going abroad would be a better alternative.fullbleed said:Snip
I haven't fully decided yet, could be why I'm so clueless about this. It'll most likely be conservation oriented though, ecology or zoology.AC10 said:What field are you looking to get into?