good for the students, especially the ones who used violence. Before you idiots start quoting Gandhi let me remind that 1 million people came to the streets of London to protest against going to war in Iraq and we STILL went. And that protest was peaceful beyond any reason. And let me also remind you that protesting against anything is harder than ever in this country. You have details taken, photographs taken, can be arrested under anti-terrorism legislation for protesting, black listed, etc. Please don't be simple by saying that all these students had to so was protest peacefully because lets face it the government will be passing this through parliament whether anyone likes it or not. It's better to go down fighting than on your knees. I just hope there are more protests like this in the future.Bobic said:
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It's only £9000 for certain unis, ie the best ones. You can bet Cambridge, Oxford, York and Warick will all go up to 9 Grand a year. How is this at all fucking fair esspecially coming from people who had their education for free.Cargando said:
There is already enough of a disparity between low income or state educated students and higher earners at Oxbridge Unis, tripling the tuition fees will only make it worse.
No one from a low income family will even think about Oxford or Cambridge when the changes come and that is going to be restricting people from getting the best education they can.
Still... cheaper than America.
Fine I'll speak in complete, and utter, proper english, ultimatly checking my gramatical errors of long words with my new and completly spiffing international web-browser named "google chrome" It's a spiffing thing to have!Holy_Handgrenade said:I don't want to be a grammar nazi but here on the escapist we like to use grammar and check our spellings.Hoodsie said:Lol its the english democtatic system.. nobody votesBobic said:
(yea was a typo)
Sounded slightly torie there..
I've been reading these forums for a while, and decided finally to register when I saw this thread because, well, I was there!
I arrived at the Millbank building just as the bonfires got going, and stayed there for a couple hours to watch (and, yes, to chant) as it all unfolded. Apart from anything else, it was amazing to see how easy it is to get caught up in a situation like this, and how easily it can escalate. After about half an hour it was no longer about anything to do with student fees, and the atmosphere was more like a festival, or school outing or something. Everyone was standing around chanting 'Tory scum' and cheering as waves of protestors threw themselves at the riot police.
I truly believe however that, apart from the incident where someone threw a fire extinguisher from the roof (which shocked everyone there, and even prompted the crowd to break out into chants of 'stop throwing shit') most of it wasn't truly malicious and the majority of the violence, from what I saw, was attributable to the actions of about 50 or so idiots at the front of the pack.
I arrived at the Millbank building just as the bonfires got going, and stayed there for a couple hours to watch (and, yes, to chant) as it all unfolded. Apart from anything else, it was amazing to see how easy it is to get caught up in a situation like this, and how easily it can escalate. After about half an hour it was no longer about anything to do with student fees, and the atmosphere was more like a festival, or school outing or something. Everyone was standing around chanting 'Tory scum' and cheering as waves of protestors threw themselves at the riot police.
I truly believe however that, apart from the incident where someone threw a fire extinguisher from the roof (which shocked everyone there, and even prompted the crowd to break out into chants of 'stop throwing shit') most of it wasn't truly malicious and the majority of the violence, from what I saw, was attributable to the actions of about 50 or so idiots at the front of the pack.
If they'll be passing it no matter what what's the point in causing pointless destruction and injuring innocent, hard working, productive police officers?thebighead01 said:
And I'd say it's better to go down fighting in a civil dignified manner than like a screaming brat.
I really don't understand the extent of the uproar here.
Students who graduate and go into low paid jobs are better off under this plan. Graduates not earning the mega bucks are the poor who are most at risk from funding changes, and they're protected by the plan. Graduates from poor backgrounds who go into well paid jobs are no longer poor, and can afford to pay the installments off as well as anyone going into the same job from a richer background.
I... don't see how you get these numbers. If you paid £9000 a year on tuition fees plus your £3000 in living loan you're looking at a final sum of £36k. This is £18,000 different to the higher number you've just given me, which suggests the poorest students are given £9000 (your £3000 + £6000 to make up the difference) a year to live on as well. This is just plain incorrect.MelasZepheos said:
The amount you pay back would be tied to your income upon leaving Uni, just as it is now. After hitting £21,000 you pay back 9% of whatever you earn each year - whether your from a rich or poor background you pay back the exact same amount. The "social elite" have no advantage here, since the amount you pay back is progessive.MelasZepheos said:
Students who graduate and go into low paid jobs are better off under this plan. Graduates not earning the mega bucks are the poor who are most at risk from funding changes, and they're protected by the plan. Graduates from poor backgrounds who go into well paid jobs are no longer poor, and can afford to pay the installments off as well as anyone going into the same job from a richer background.
Now this is the kind of thing that *should* cause protests - it's a completely different beast to the current proposals, since private loans *have* to be repaid and generally aren't progressive at all.MelasZepheos said:
In England
"Put student fees up to £9000? lets smash a window and start a bonfire"
Meanwhile in France.
"Put the retirement age up three years? BURN EVERYTHING!! WHY IS THAT CAR NOT ON FIRE? YOU WANT FUEL? YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY! BLOCKADE EVERYTHING, DEATH BEFORE MORE WORK!"
"Put student fees up to £9000? lets smash a window and start a bonfire"
Meanwhile in France.
"Put the retirement age up three years? BURN EVERYTHING!! WHY IS THAT CAR NOT ON FIRE? YOU WANT FUEL? YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY! BLOCKADE EVERYTHING, DEATH BEFORE MORE WORK!"
personally, I feel the "government" has gone too far with most if not all of their policies. As a British student I believe this and many of the often elitist policies of Cameron's regime are doing nothing but making it more difficult for who ever has to clean up their mess.
the protesters have every right to express their disapproval, and if anything could have gone further, as if they had rallied everyone who disapproves of any of the sinister Conservative policies which are largely unpopular. sometimes the only way to defeat a tyrant is to overthrow them
the protesters have every right to express their disapproval, and if anything could have gone further, as if they had rallied everyone who disapproves of any of the sinister Conservative policies which are largely unpopular. sometimes the only way to defeat a tyrant is to overthrow them
Yeah, but all the universities are going to increase substantially, I was just wondering if it going abroad would be a better alternative.fullbleed said:
I haven't fully decided yet, could be why I'm so clueless about this. It'll most likely be conservation oriented though, ecology or zoology.AC10 said:
Im for it, this government disgusts me and this may be the message they recieve telling them that we won't stand for their bullshit.
What's especially disgusting is that most of us students voted liberal democrats based on their promises to lower tuition fees and now we see them stab us all in the back, they're just as bad as the conservatives if not worse for their outright lies to us.
What's especially disgusting is that most of us students voted liberal democrats based on their promises to lower tuition fees and now we see them stab us all in the back, they're just as bad as the conservatives if not worse for their outright lies to us.
First Welcome to the escapist! This is the first forum iv ever made as wellCompetingMantis said:
i feel like we have a very loose bond somehow.So apart from the few things that were done by thugs (e.g fire extinguishers) Did u think it was better things went the way they did or would you of rather carried on with the march and not stormed any buildings?
Er... yeah. But I was just pointing out why the new funding plan doesn't actually harm the poor anymore than the rich. The only people who are better off are the ones who have all fees paid for by their family, but this is the case now anyway.InterAirplay said:
But cheers for not actually refuting any points.
Gee, I dunno. Maybe because they might want to have some physicians and surgeons around in the future?brainless_fps_player said:
