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I had this debate earlier with a group of friends and the main takeaway was that most of us, all men who have been almost exclusively in relationships with women, consider it a premature decision to simply disregards so large a part of the general population as potential partners. While we typically don't seek out men as partners we also have other preferences when it comes to approaching a potential partner, factors such as appearance and presumed interests.
I agree with this. There are also things beyond what you can know on a surface level that can be deal-breakers.
To me saying "I'd never date a transperson" seems on the level of saying "I would never date someone with red hair", and it should be regarded as such, by both sides of the aisle. The intolerant should consider that it is a moronic statement and a generalization that reinforces some harmful tendencies in society. And the hyper-tolerant, should consider that it is a stupid preference based on preconceptions and while everyone might not be willing to open their minds some will.
But here I disagree because there are perfectly valid reasons to categorically exclude transpeople from one's dating pool. Maybe you have none of those, cool, but other people sure do: fertility, mental issues, medicalization, transition itself, body issues, history, and what others think of you.
One of the fellows I talked with phrased it like this. "If you met someone who was, by all standards your perfect partner, appearance, personality, interests, everything except the sexual organs, wouldn't you be pretty stupid to reject the possibility of a perfect relationship?"
This isn't possible in the world we live in. No transperson is like a cisperson except the sexual organs. There are differences and they can be unreconcilable.
All I said was I thought it was bigoted to say all straight people are bad at sex, and when Terminal Blue said in their experience straight sex is bad sex that that sounds like a bad sexual experience. Terminal blue admits as such.
I have no problem taking their word for it. And they didn't even say all straight people are bad at sex. Also I'm a heteronormative person so to me anything outside that is deviant behavior.
 
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"Being bad at sex is straight culture."
Uuhh...
Yes? That's not the same. Every straight person doesn't embody 100% of straight culture. edit. You know like not all Italians like pasta (never met one that didn't but I've only met like 30 million Italians).
 

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And like most satire made by people who's ego outstrips their intelligence, its failed at being satire and just makes them look like fucking morons.
*Looks at the people getting banned on twitter for threatening to kill people over it*

I dunno I think the people pushing the meme got their way here more than anything else

Not surprised they're on TikTok. As I recall, that's an app than blocks people who are ugly, overweight, have deformities, severe scars, etc. from appearing on their high-trending lists.
Oh no don't you see that's TikTok helping to create a safe space and prevent cyberbullying ./s


Wait what? If someone doesn't want to have sex with a trans person, they're transphobic? When did that become a thing?! So like if a lesbian doesn't want to sleep with a transfemale who still has a penis, she's transphobic? I don't want to sleep with anyone, male or female, that has a penis, because I'm not attracted to that, am I transphobic? Jeez whatever happened to just everyone is entitled to say no, and they're sexuality is their own business?
A few years back I think on youtube's Breadtube community.

The original video that sparked part of it has been removed so here Aba & Preach responding to it because it's the closest I can find.


So all hetero-sex is rape?
And who is being raped, the man or the woman, or both?
And would this mean all heterosexuals are actually lbtq?
Depends who you ask on that first one


There's some weird rabbit holes online
 

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Yes? That's not the same. Every straight person doesn't embody 100% of straight culture. edit. You know like not all Italians like pasta (never met one that didn't but I've only met like 30 million Italians).
That's...horseshit? It might be bullshit, but I'm pretty sure its horseshit. Saying something is a culture implies the overwhelming majority, if not all, adhere to it. That's what makes it a culture.
You say not all Italians like pasta. Sure, good, great, completely irrelevant example because no one said "Liking Pasta is Italian culture". If someone had said that, it would have been equally wrong as bad sex is straight culture.
Just saying "not all Italians" already makes it an irrelevant example because you're allowing for exceptions. "Being Bad at sex is straight culture" by the definition of culture being: "the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group " implies all straight people are bad at sex.
If someone said "being a rapist is black culture" or "being greedy is Jewish culture" I don't think anyone would be going "Oh hang on a minute, that didn't mean ALL of them, its not a bigoted statement, merely an opinion"
 
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"If you met someone who was, by all standards your perfect partner, appearance, personality, interests, everything except the sexual organs, wouldn't you be pretty stupid to reject the possibility of a perfect relationship?"
Nope, because I'm really, really not interested in penis. And that's the thing: you can compare it to being a redhead, and my counter is that hair can be dyed, a penis cannot really stop being a penis, unless you go through with something like a Vaginoplasty. And I'm really, really not interested in one of those, either.

Also, there's an important thing for relationships that I think bears mentioning: religious/spiritual views. I belong to a religion that A) does not recognize gender transition at all and B) does not recognize same sex marriages and will not perform them. And since being married in my church is important to me, it would be pretty stupid of me to pursue a relationship holding both a desire to be with that person and a desire to be married within the church, since it's not possible.

Just throw those in the bin too. Clear all unnecessary clutter.
Well, at least you're consistent.
 
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Sounds like you had a bad experience with a straight person and now generalize all of them.
I think straight people have no concept of how inescapable their warped idea of sex is. Even if I had slept with no straight people (which sadly is not true, it's considerably more than one) I'd still be pretty well equipped to comment on straight sex.

So, since sexuality is a spectrum, at what point of the "straight/bi" line does one start being good at sex?
Shade aside, I hope it's obvious that I'm not talking about some kind of technical mastery, but about how cultural attitudes shape your ability to have satisfying (or unsatisfying) sexual encounters. In short, I meant what I said. Being bad at sex is straight culture. The more immersed you are in straight culture, the more likely it is that you will see the world in a way that is conducive to being bad at sex.
 
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I think straight people have no concept of how inescapable their warped idea of sex is. Even if I had slept with no straight people (which sadly is not true, it's considerably more than one) I'd still be pretty well equipped to comment on straight sex.
Okay this requires clarification. Warped idea of sex? And you think if you had never slept with a straight person, you'd still pretty well equipped to comment on straight sex? That's pretty fucking presumptuous of you, no pun intended.
Again sounds like you had a bad experience with a straight person, and then just assumed every straight person was like that. Which I'm pretty sure is prejudice
 

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Also, there's an important thing for relationships that I think bears mentioning: religious/spiritual views. I belong to a religion that A) does not recognize gender transition at all and B) does not recognize same sex marriages and will not perform them. And since being married in my church is important to me
Wow, that's messed up.
 

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Wow, that's messed up.
I've restricted my own dating pool to people of the same religion.
Thankfully, it's a rather large one (No, I'm not a Mormon, that's usually what people guess first)
 
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Valuing a community is messed up now, you heard it here first.
The authoritarianism is the messed up part. If CM wants to submit to said authoritarianism, that's cool. All communities would have some strictures but what they are describing seems very excessive.

But then, what did Sean expect? This is very common in religious communities today. Living outside a very narrow window of reality is generally seen as evil and must be purged at all costs.
 

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And you think if you had never slept with a straight person, you'd still pretty well equipped to comment on straight sex? That's pretty fucking presumptuous of you, no pun intended.
Surely that's little different from, say, people outside the US talking about US politics or culture? It's everywhere and can't really be escaped by most people on the Escapist.
 

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The crushing load of insecurity behind the bandwagonners for this astounds me.

I mean, I get that the geniuses who started Super-Straight as a dumb Fash joke would want to poke at the self-affirming crowd in the spectrum, but the other ones aren't even aware that this is cringeworthy satire. They're also not aware that most same-sex or bisexual folks with some measure of a psychological callus would know enough not to give two shits about anyone who presents exclusionary politics in the guise of inclusion.

I'm bi, and I've pretty much gone through my whole life listening to off-the-cuff gay jokes from my worryingly insecure father. After a while, you just stop giving a fuck. It's not my job to fix anyone's hangups about anyone else's sexual preferences. Now, what is dangerous is the fact that insecure heteros might unironically associate with Super-Straight as a concept, completely unaware of the iconographic ties to Far-Right movement, and then get progressively sucked in deeper.

That's how these things go, after all. You start by cheekily thumbing a few right-leaning memes and a few months later, you're sitting at your keyboard thinking you've been charged with defending Ben Shapiro's honor.
 
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Yeah, the terfs jumped on the obvious "uses SS as shorthand with pornhub colors for a flag" bait worryingly quickly.

Like, some people aren't into blonds, some people aren't into whatever plumbing. As long as you aren't a dick about it nobody actually cares about preferences.
 

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Wait wait, bi just means you're attracted to at least two genders right? I didn't think it had anything to do with promiscuity or monogamy? Does bi actually mean polyamorous and I just didn't know? I have a friend who is bi, and she's been dating the same woman for like 3 years now, and they're happy and all, and its just that she used to have a boyfriend, and they broke up, and then she dated a woman.
They weren't like having 3 ways or boinking anything that moved, she just admits she's attracted to men and women and...and that's it.
That's exactly what it means, nothing more and it doesn't have anything to do with promiscuity, monogamy or polygamy, it's just that some people really don't like the idea of bisexuality and claim it doesn't exist, so they make up bullshit in order to prove bisexuals aren't bisexual like "You've been with the same woman for years so you must be a lesbian" or shit of that style, the argument McElroy made is very commonly used by those people.

Simple, yes. Seeing stupidity is on you. I stated an exacerbated fact (that from the outside there can't be a bisexual relationship and thus you can't see bisexuality unless involved with them and their relationships). Not only do you take it as an implication of something else you also associate me with some other thing through... psychic powers, I'm guessing.
Well I am God, so that should give you a good idea of why I'd think that.
 

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One of the fellows I talked with phrased it like this. "If you met someone who was, by all standards your perfect partner, appearance, personality, interests, everything except the sexual organs, wouldn't you be pretty stupid to reject the possibility of a perfect relationship?"
Personally i am not interested in sex with people i could not imagine as long term partners raising our children together. Which means, knowing that i can't have children with someone would turn me off extremely.
So yes, i obviously do care about the genitals.

However, i don't care about the gender. I don't get gender anyway being agender and sexual attraction does not change based on whether someone identifies as man, women or neither.

So in the end, genitals are important, gender is not. If that pisses off some trans-people, who feel that that means they get treated differently than their preferred gender and more like their at birth assigned gender, it is their problem.
 
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Personally i am not interested in sex with people i could not imagine as long term partners raising our children together. Which means, knowing that i can't have children with someone would turn me off extremely.
So yes, i obviously do care about the genitals.

However, i don't care about the gender. I don't get gender anyway being agender and sexual attraction does not change based on whether someone identifies as man, women or neither.

So in the end, genitals are important, gender is not. If that pisses off some trans-people, who feel that that means they get treated differently than their preferred gender and more like their at birth assigned gender, it is their problem.
Adoption is a viable choice and great for a lot of people. I'm not saying that one should date any kind of person, I'm just saying that I find it narrow-minded to totally reject the notion before it even becomes relevant.
 

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Adoption is a viable choice and great for a lot of people.
That doesn't help. As i said, knowing i can't have children with someone makes them unattractive for me.

Have you ever had the experience that some detail about a person is revealed to you and suddenly that person looks far uglier than just a minute before even if you rationally would know that the appearance can't have changed ? It is like that.