Target Australia will no longer stock GTA5

[grandpasmurfette]

Shame on Target and Kmart, both of them actually have new releases at the lowest prices most times in Australia but there is nothing more infuriating than bunch of soccer mums making a mountain out of molehill. But i heard on the news that this was started by a bunch of anonymous sex workers.

But anyway, onto the discussion of the game itself.
I for one think there is nothing wrong with hiring a prostitute and then killing them after sex in a video game.
Maybe its cause im desensitized and all that (No i haven't actually done it (yet) im too busy with the main story missions) but i believe humans nature is screwed up anyway, I mean you can be a pacifist and admire machines designed to kill at the same time right? Yeah thats not an apt comparison point im trying to make is the duality of human nature. I mean firstly, I obviously don't want my 5 year olds playing this game, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with mature people who buy this game and go killing prostitutes. This is escapism, everything in GTA is made so the player can play out their criminal fantasy, steal cars, go on police shoot outs, rob banks, put on a scary mask and chop people up with an axe, play out the story of three archetypical criminals so why shouldn't we be able to shag and kill prostitutes if it all adds to the authenticity of the experience? If something contributes to the overall design and "well madeness" of a piece of entertainment or art it shouldn't be restricted because of people's sensitivities in which this case people are being overly sensitive. The way GTA does things is almost semi-satirical as well and i think the juxtaposition of an in car Beejay right before "accidentally" running over your prostitute with the ridiculous rag-doll physics and driving off with exagerrated blood stain all over your car into los santos while listening to a satirical talk show making fun of conservative americans is just makes you go "LOOL This is ridiculous"

What i am against is crap that tries to be edgy just cause, like the airport shootout scene in MW2 and child geting blown up in MW3 and movies like 'The Serbian Film', not on a moral level but on an artistic level, in other words is crappily done.

EDIT: In before "strong first post"

 

[Guerilla]

And what about all the men you can also murder in GTA V, did you conveniently forget about that? As usual, feminists are turning a non-issue into a gendered one.

Also, as far as I'm aware, there is little to no part of GTA that actually forces you to murder prostitutes, specifically; that's a choice afforded to the player by virtue of the fact that, in GTA, you can kill anyone.

It's the usual feminist tactic where they purposely ignore the facts and focus on a "problematic issue" like they have blinders on ignoring the big picture. Anita did the same stupid shit with Hitman where she ignored the fact that you can kill and move any NPC while only focusing on the strippers.

They're just looking for excuses to play the victims and censor or try to force the creators to self-censor themselves. This ridiculous behavior and the censorship that comes along with it should be a surprise to anyone, yet people are still being surprised.

Modern feminism is quickly becoming the conservatism of the 21st century, the censorship, sex phobic behavior and mud slinging against anyone disagreeing with their dogma all point to that.

 

[ugeine]

Like I said before, these sjws are the new McCarthyists. They want to blacklist and pressure private organizations into doing their will.

I can't believe a gamergater has written these words. I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading here.

Jesus Christ, the irony and hypocrisy is off the charts.

Abstract accusations about irony and hypocrisy without a shred of proof. Congrats on the post, it's as non-nonsensical as I'd expect.

Gamergate was responsible for 'Operation disrespectful Nod' which pressured advertisers into pulling adverts from games sites which had written content they disagreed with.

 

[Guerilla]

What i am against is crap that tries to be edgy just cause, like the airport shootout scene in MW2 and child geting blown up in MW3 and movies like 'The Serbian Film', not on a moral level but on an artistic level, in other words is crappily done.

I'm not against those either. If a creator wants to be purposely controversial he can and SHOULD be. Shock art has a long standing tradition and has its purpose, either for pure entertainment or for trying wake people up by evoking emotions.

 

[Something Amyss]

Name one game we've censored. If the hypocrisy levels are off the charts, it should be easy, shouldn't it?

Does it have to be a game? Because Operation Disrespectful Nod (which even misrepresented the publications in question) is a striking parallel and turns this into a case of "do a I say, not as I do."

Anita did the same stupid shit with Hitman where she ignored the fact that you can kill and move any NPC while only focusing on the strippers.

Yes, how dare she focus on strippers when establishing a trend of "women as background decorations."

 

[Guerilla]

Gamergate was responsible for 'Operation disrespectful Nod' which pressured advertisers into pulling adverts from games sites which had written content they disagreed with.

Are you seriously putting in the same category game "journalists" and actual game creators? Yes, ugeine, boycotting the ones supporting censorship is EXACTLY the same as censoring creators. Perfect comparison, congrats again.

Yes, how dare she focus on strippers when establishing a trend of "women as background decorations."

You must be confused, it's actually "how dare the con artist call a game misogynistic and accuse gamers of deriving pleasure from manhandling a dead stripper when in reality you can do the same with any other NPC in the game"

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I'm on fire today. Really on fire. Fuck Australian summers.

Are you sure it wasn't Grand Theft Auto related? Perhaps we could start a consumer movement for you.

Fire censorship is the first step toward tyranny.

 

[Something Amyss]

You must be confused, it's actually "how dare the con artist call a game misogynistic and accuse gamers of deriving pleasure from manhandling a dead stripper when in reality you can do the same with any other NPC in the game"

Yes, if any claim can be made without regard to truth.

But, I must remind myself, this isn't about facts or things one can demonstrably prove. It's about ethics in journalism.

 

[Something Amyss]

Fire censorship is the first step toward tyranny.

If we outlaw fire, only outlaws will have fire?

It's about ethics in fire journalism?

 

[Guerilla]

You must be confused, it's actually "how dare the con artist call a game misogynistic and accuse gamers of deriving pleasure from manhandling a dead stripper when in reality you can do the same with any other NPC in the game"

Yes, if any claim can be made without regard to truth.

But, I must remind myself, this isn't about facts or things one can demonstrably prove. It's about ethics in journalism.

Could you clarify your post, I don't understand your point. Are you agreeing with me? Because Anita really said this bullshit and there's a transcript to prove that.

 

[Something Amyss]

Could you clarify your post? I don't understand your point. Are you agreeing with me because Anita really said this bullshit and there's a transcript to confirm that.

I'm saying that you're making claims that can't be proven. The transcript doesn't say what you want it to say, you can't demonstrate she's a con artist, and I don't think you can even point to her calling Hitman misogynistic.

I'm saying that, in order for me to have meant what you claim I meant, you have to first ignore the fact that it's said without regard to any truth of the matter. Which seems to the MO for Gamergate and its "sympathisers."

 

[Guerilla]

I'm saying that you're making claims that can't be proven. The transcript doesn't say what you want it to say, you can't demonstrate she's a con artist, and I don't think you can even point to her calling Hitman misogynistic.

I'm saying that, in order for me to have meant what you claim I meant, you have to first ignore the fact that it's said without regard to any truth of the matter. Which seems to the MO for Gamergate and its "sympathisers."

When you're right, you're right. The transcript is actually much, MUCH worse. I quote it for everyone to witness feminist lunacy that ignores both the big picture and common sense:

Players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual female characters.

It?s a rush streaming from a carefully concocted mix of sexual arousal connected to the act of controlling and punishing representations of female sexuality.

 

[rob_simple]

Modern feminism is quickly becoming the conservatism of the 21st century, the censorship, sex phobic behavior and mud slinging against anyone disagreeing with their dogma all point to that.

So, Third-Wave Feminism is essentially the Left's Right?

Sorry, I just said that in my head and it made me chuckle. I do agree, though.

 

[Something Amyss]

When you're right, you're right. The transcript is actually much, MUCH worse. I quote it for everyone to witness feminist lunacy that ignores both the big picture and common sense:

Players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual female characters.

It?s a rush streaming from a carefully concocted mix of sexual arousal connected to the act of controlling and punishing representations of female sexuality.

It's only much worse if you're still unconcerned with honesty.

So you failed to back up one claim, and ignored the other two. Can't say I'm exactly surprised.

 

[darkstarangel]

Just when we finally started getting the good games some fuckwit jumps in to ruin it for everyone.

We assume it's a feminist who made this complaint because they know nothing about GTA5 & took no consideration about games that promoted violence against men, because somehow that's ok.

 

[ugeine]

Are you seriously putting in the same category game "journalists" and actual game creators? Yes, ugeine, boycotting the ones supporting censorship is EXACTLY the same as censoring creators. Perfect comparison, congrats again.

The category is 'Private organisations.' Ilovechocolatemilk was complaining that 'SJWs' were pressuring private organistations into doing their will, I simply pointed out that games journalists and games creators both belong to private organisations, and gamergaters famously launched an operation to pressure games journalists into doing their will.

Unless you think that the organisations that games journalists belong to aren't private? Do you think they're owned by the government?

 

[Guerilla]

When you're right, you're right. The transcript is actually much, MUCH worse. I quote it for everyone to witness feminist lunacy that ignores both the big picture and common sense:

Players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual female characters.

It?s a rush streaming from a carefully concocted mix of sexual arousal connected to the act of controlling and punishing representations of female sexuality.

It's only much worse if you're still unconcerned with honesty.

So you failed to back up one claim, and ignored the other two. Can't say I'm exactly surprised.

What is this, opposite day? I specifically provide a copy-paste of the quote and I'm the one failing to back up my claims? I just did, you're the one being completely abstract while refusing to acknowledge concrete proof I'm providing.

 

[Guerilla]

Are you seriously putting in the same category game "journalists" and actual game creators? Yes, ugeine, boycotting the ones supporting censorship is EXACTLY the same as censoring creators. Perfect comparison, congrats again.

The category is 'Private organisations.' Ilovechocolatemilk was complaining that 'SJWs' were pressuring private organistations into doing their will, I simply pointed out that games journalists and games creators both belong to private organisations, and gamergaters famously launched an operation to pressure games journalists into doing their will.

Unless you think that the organisations that games journalists belong to aren't private? Do you think they're owned by the government?

You're completely right, I skimmed his post and didn't realize he was talking about private organizations. Personally I don't give a crap about pressuring private organizations, some organizations focus on creating and shouldn't be censored but others are an opportunistic waste of oxygen and resources. But yeah, you're right, his post was ironic indeed.

 

[Loonyyy]

Don't you know, they're completely misrepresenting the game. THE HUMANITY.

Oh crap, you're right. I forgot that it was totally different now that it was something I cared about being misrepresented.

See, for that the punishment is severe. Misrepresentation is the worst.

Because none of us have ever heard of having sex with prostitutes in GTA and killing them to save money. Nope. Gamers have never heard of that, never done that. And because the game definitely doesn't implicitly endorse it, considering it's been present in numerous installments, and because the game(Especially not GTA V) definitely doesn't encourage you to keep money and not lose it. Definitely not.

But everything that's said in the petition is a lie, and those damn people definitely could never be Target's customers(Of course, most of the Australians in the thread have pointed out that Target is a pretty poor game shop, they're only worth going too on the off chance that they've fucked up and dramatically underpriced their games, so it's definitely not people being "Professional Victims" and pretending to be offended), and they're definitely not sickened. Nope, nope nope.

I'd say as a punishment you'd have to be misrepresented, but it looks like some other posters have taken care of that.

 

[ugeine]

You're completely right, I skimmed his post and didn't realize he was talking about private organizations. Personally I don't give a crap about pressuring private organizations, some organizations focus on creating and shouldn't be censored but others are an opportunistic waste of oxygen and resources. But yeah, you're right, his post was ironic indeed.

Fair enough mate, thanks for clarifying.