Target Australia will no longer stock GTA5

Vault101

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Loonyyy said:
You really can't say that Vault or "feminism" can't speak for women, and then insult her and the women she engages with, and then speak for all men.
ssssshhhhhh what are you doing? you ruined my disguise? now he'll just see me as a skeleton!

RhombusHatesYou said:
Speak for yourself. I get gunned down and killed all the time.

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I'm assuming 'gunned down and killed' is what the kids these days call getting pants-shittingly drunk.
I thought it was getting bailed up by those charity sign up people...
 

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Nods Respectfully Towards You said:
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Nods Respectfully Towards You said:
Yeah... there is no rape in the game other than the rape of a man which you seem to have ignored. There's also no opportunities to abuse prostitutes either, the most you can do with them is treat them like any other NPC in the game or have sex with them. This isn't a prostitute rape and murder simulator, it's fucking GTAV. You're just obsessed with a fairly trivial mechanic that has almost no bearing on the rest of the game.
I had heard about the rape mods, but the game has actual rape before mods?

Even more glad I did never played it.
It's not apart of gameplay or anything, it's more Trevor being the psychotic bastard he is to a rather pitiful guy. Not sure if he was outright raped or anything, but he was definitely physically and sexually abused by Trevor.
Implied rape for comedic effect? How satirical and gritty, I am glad I abandoned that series.
 

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peruvianskys said:
WhiteNachos said:
You oppose the condemnation or you oppose the simulated acts of violence?

I think there is something puritan about butting into people's sex lives and telling adults what consensual acts they should and shouldn't do out of their own personal sense of "morality".
I oppose the simulated acts of violence. Men have no business engaging in sexual behavior that mimicks the violence they do to women outside the bedroom on a daily basis.
Oh so because some men commit actual unwanted violence against women, men shouldn't be allowed to commit pretend violence or consensual violence with women, even if those women would enjoy it? Well more men are murdered by men than women so do you also object to men committing simulated acts of violence against other men? What about women committing these acts of violence?

peruvianskys said:
Our sexual behaviors can and do perpetuate oppressive social systems and are not beyond critique. There's nothing "moralizing" about it.
Yeah there's just unsupported theories about the harm it causes in the real world which happens in every moral panic.

WhiteNachos said:
No shit. Cars haven't been around for thousands of years. Do you have a point?

The arguments about whether this stuff is offensive or encourages real life violence don't change based on how long the crime has been happening.
The point is that women aren't complaining because they "don't like it" - they're complaining because the actions being simulated happen *every goddamn day* and it's insensitive and shitty for men to derive enjoyment from simulating them while men are also going out and doing the actual violence.[/quote]

What a sexist thing to say. You are basically punishing men for the actions of other men they can't commit. That would be like me saying Muslims should not be allowed to play GTA IV (which takes place in a parody of New York) because of 9/11. I am not responsible for other people's actions because I share a gender.

peruvianskys said:
And why does there need to be an "epidemic" of the crime before their complaints are valid? That just seems like a totally arbitrary criteria.
Because the complaint is that we should not make a fun little side thing in a game out of a . serious crime that is currently very common and almost completely unopposed in our society. That's the whole point
Why? People can seperate reality from fiction. And murder is unopposed in society? Oh yeah totally it's just one of the only crimes you can get the death penalty for here in the US. But yeah it's totally cool. Even when it's against prostitutes it's not supported.

peruvianskys said:
But if you insist, how about cops? I'm sure they've been murdered for thousands of years. Hell if you kill cops in the game you get a gun, which is far more useful than the petty cash you get for killing civilians.
I don't care about cops. I hate cops.
So you're not going to try to justify yourself. When it comes to people you don't like you don't care?
 

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Itdoesthatsometimes said:
Nods Respectfully Towards You said:
Itdoesthatsometimes said:
Nods Respectfully Towards You said:
Yeah... there is no rape in the game other than the rape of a man which you seem to have ignored. There's also no opportunities to abuse prostitutes either, the most you can do with them is treat them like any other NPC in the game or have sex with them. This isn't a prostitute rape and murder simulator, it's fucking GTAV. You're just obsessed with a fairly trivial mechanic that has almost no bearing on the rest of the game.
I had heard about the rape mods, but the game has actual rape before mods?

Even more glad I did never played it.
It's not apart of gameplay or anything, it's more Trevor being the psychotic bastard he is to a rather pitiful guy. Not sure if he was outright raped or anything, but he was definitely physically and sexually abused by Trevor.
Implied rape for comedic effect? How satirical and gritty, I am glad I abandoned that series.
I've never seen that happen. Supposedly it sometimes happens when you switch to him. And it's not supposed to be satirical it's supposed to show what kind of a horrible person Trevor is.
 

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peruvianskys said:
Men have no business engaging in sexual behavior that mimicks the violence they do to women outside the bedroom on a daily basis.

Our sexual behaviors can and do perpetuate oppressive social systems and are not beyond critique. There's nothing "moralizing" about it. .
I won't speak about the whole issue regarding Target and the game, but I don't understand this part you just said. The whole point of SM and BDSM is to derive sexual pleasure from the pain or domination of others and in receiving such pain or being dominated. And honestly, if a woman willingly, knowingly wishes to be in the submissive role of such sexual behavior and wants a man to be in the dominant role, it's her choice. And if what both parties do are within the grounds of knowing, preparing and being ultimately consensual throughout the whole thing, how is this in anyway a problem or an issue? I though that this is what feminists have been fighting for and expressing emphasis on the whole time regarding peoples' sex lives?
 

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One year ago I remember femenist and "progresive" critics say, this was only criticism and nothing more, well, one year later, and only one year later, they menage to ban a game in Target Australia and Ban some forms of Porn in UK, I wonder what they prepare for 2015.
 

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RhombusHatesYou said:
Loonyyy said:
Also: In Australia, we don't get gunned down and killed everyday.
Speak for yourself. I get gunned down and killed all the time.

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I'm assuming 'gunned down and killed' is what the kids these days call getting pants-shittingly drunk.
In that case, I'm gunned down and killed every night.

More lives than a goddamn laser cat.
 

Loonyyy

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Vault101 said:
Loonyyy said:
You really can't say that Vault or "feminism" can't speak for women, and then insult her and the women she engages with, and then speak for all men.
ssssshhhhhh what are you doing? you ruined my disguise? now he'll just see me as a skeleton!
Just fake some magic. Lich's are much more respected. Get some petrol and throw a fireball. No way it can backfire.
 

WhiteNachos

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Signa said:
That is true, but I would have expected Target to have done its homework on this one. How many potential customers of GTA V are they losing for the possibility that these petitioners are going to completely stop shopping at their store because GTA is in it.
Maybe they did do their homework. Maybe the number of people who actually buy the games at Target are insigificant. Why would we assume otherwise without evidence?
Because they're basing their decision off a petition that is completely misrepresenting what's in the game.

Zachary Amaranth said:
That's nice, but completely irrelevant to the notion proposed that this complaint is ignored. It isn't. You're admitting it was brought up. I am correct.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say but the greater amount of violence against men in this games shows that the complainers are either sexist hypocrites or people who don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I In fact, it's one of the causal reasons for the petition.
The one grain of semi-truth in the pile of misleading BS that is the rest of their causal reasons for the petition.

And they couldn't even get that part right. The petition claims "The incentive is to commit sexual violence against women, then abuse or kill them to proceed or get 'health' points".

You get health from having sex with prostitutes, not from committing violence against them.
 

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CerveraFilms said:
One year ago I remember femenist and "progresive" critics say, this was only criticism and nothing more, well, one year later, and only one year later, they menage to ban a game in Target Australia and Ban some forms of Porn in UK, I wonder what they prepare for 2015.
Ok who says the porn ban came from feminists?

I would believe it because most of the anti porn people I see are feminists not conservatives but the conservative anti porn crusaders are still around.

The number of anti porn people on both sides seem to have dwindled a lot which is good. Oh and this ban includes face sitting so I highly doubt it came from feminists.
 

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Nods Respectfully Towards You said:
Itdoesthatsometimes said:
Nods Respectfully Towards You said:
Itdoesthatsometimes said:
Nods Respectfully Towards You said:
Yeah... there is no rape in the game other than the rape of a man which you seem to have ignored. There's also no opportunities to abuse prostitutes either, the most you can do with them is treat them like any other NPC in the game or have sex with them. This isn't a prostitute rape and murder simulator, it's fucking GTAV. You're just obsessed with a fairly trivial mechanic that has almost no bearing on the rest of the game.
I had heard about the rape mods, but the game has actual rape before mods?

Even more glad I did never played it.
It's not apart of gameplay or anything, it's more Trevor being the psychotic bastard he is to a rather pitiful guy. Not sure if he was outright raped or anything, but he was definitely physically and sexually abused by Trevor.
Implied rape for comedic effect? How satirical and gritty, I am glad I abandoned that series.
I wouldn't say it's just played for laughs, I actually felt pretty bad for the guy and absolutely hated Trevor partially because of that. GTAV kind of strattles the line between comedy and seriousness so I suppose I can see someone taking issue with that particular subject matter. It's definitely not as bad as the "you can kill everybody in the game but I'm going to focus on the prostitutes because muh soggy knees" that's been going around.
That does make me wonder how I would feel about that subject matter in something like a Silent Hill game. Where you see glimpses of the player character committing implied sex assault. I wonder if tone would make the subject matter being more excusable to depict or if the subject is just best left out of video games. That is probably getting too far off topic though.

EDIT: Sorry for not acknowledging you, WhiteNachos, when having a similar point as Nods Respectfully Towards You.
 

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peruvianskys said:
WhiteNachos said:
You oppose the condemnation or you oppose the simulated acts of violence?

I think there is something puritan about butting into people's sex lives and telling adults what consensual acts they should and shouldn't do out of their own personal sense of "morality".
I oppose the simulated acts of violence. Men have no business engaging in sexual behavior that mimicks the violence they do to women outside the bedroom on a daily basis.

Our sexual behaviors can and do perpetuate oppressive social systems and are not beyond critique. There's nothing "moralizing" about it.

WhiteNachos said:
No shit. Cars haven't been around for thousands of years. Do you have a point?

The arguments about whether this stuff is offensive or encourages real life violence don't change based on how long the crime has been happening.
The point is that women aren't complaining because they "don't like it" - they're complaining because the actions being simulated happen *every goddamn day* and it's insensitive and shitty for men to derive enjoyment from simulating them while men are also going out and doing the actual violence.

And why does there need to be an "epidemic" of the crime before their complaints are valid? That just seems like a totally arbitrary criteria.
Because the complaint is that we should not make a fun little side thing in a game out of a serious crime that is currently very common and almost completely unopposed in our society. That's the whole point.

But if you insist, how about cops? I'm sure they've been murdered for thousands of years. Hell if you kill cops in the game you get a gun, which is far more useful than the petty cash you get for killing civilians.
I don't care about cops. I hate cops.
LOL, then we might as well as not even bother having entertainment at least according to your logic. We might as well as just wake up, go to work, come home and be family men, sleep, and repeat. There is absolutely no point in entertainment in general if it's forced to be like reality where we have to care about other people's bullshit feelings. If this is the reality of what you want where people's first want/need in entertainment to care two shits about reality problems then just burn my fucking computer and game systems. Entertainment is for enjoyment and that includes the "wrong kind" of enjoyment. Some people do actually like to play games to do things they can't do in real life. Hell, I remember playing GTA 3 back when I was 14 and just kill everyone, pretending it was anyone who pissed me off that day. Guess what? I'm 24 now and nothing bad happened. Never killed or abused anyone in real life.

Hell, I remember when I was dating girls back as a teenager and when things didn't work out I would play GTA 3, Vice City, or San Andreas and beat up random woman or hookers. Pretending that they were the girls that stood me up. Now at 24, I have a fiancee and have never hurt any girl or woman in real life. In fact, I would even go as far as say because I could do what I wanted in those games that I didn't do anything bad in real life. Games are great for stress reliving and allow you to do the things you can't do in reality and keep you from doing stupid shit.

People fail to realize that because of these games like GTA, a lot of people are kept in check about how they truly feel about things deep inside. Things could be a lot worse if people didn't have entertainment that allowed them to express the evil side in them.
 

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Rahkshi500 said:
I won't speak about the whole issue regarding Target and the game, but I don't understand this part you just said. The whole point of SM and BDSM is to derive sexual pleasure from the pain or domination of others and in receiving such pain or being dominated. And honestly, if a woman willingly, knowingly wishes to be in the submissive role of such sexual behavior and wants a man to be in the dominant role, it's her choice. And if what both parties do are within the grounds of knowing, preparing and being ultimately consensual throughout the whole thing, how is this in anyway a problem or an issue? I though that this is what feminists have been fighting for and expressing emphasis on the whole time regarding peoples' sex lives?
What feminists have been fighting for this whole time is the liberation of women from male domination, and that task is not helped when we tell men it's okay for them to eroticize violence. Sexualizing the domination of women is the heart of patriarchy and male supremacy will never be dismantled as long as there are men who get a thrill from hurting women.

Anti-racists wouldn't support white folks watching videos of lynchings, right? And certainly Jewish community leaders wouldn't be happy about non-Jews sitting down and reading Mein Kampf to relax? So why would women be comfortable with men deriving emotional and physical satisfaction from doing violence to women?

WhiteNachos said:
Oh so because some men commit actual unwanted violence against women, men shouldn't be allowed to commit pretend violence or consensual violence with women, even if those women would enjoy it? Well more men are murdered by men than women so do you also object to men committing simulated acts of violence against other men? What about women committing these acts of violence?
It's not just that "some men" do it - it's that those acts of violence exist to prop up and perpetuate male supremacy. As men, we all have an obligation to oppose the things that give us unjust power over women, and that includes sexualized violence.

Yeah there's just unsupported theories about the harm it causes in the real world which happens in every moral panic.
I'm not claiming that this will cause men to go out and kill prostituted women. Men don't need any more excuses, they've been doing that since the beginning of time. What I'm more interested in is asking exactly what kind of society we have where violence against women is an enjoyable feature in a video game that millions of men play.

What a sexist thing to say. You are basically punishing men for the actions of other men they can't commit. That would be like me saying Muslims should not be allowed to play GTA IV (which takes place in a parody of New York) because of 9/11. I am not responsible for other people's actions because I share a gender.
You're responsible for opposing those actions because you benefit from them.

Why? People can seperate reality from fiction. And murder is unopposed in society? Oh yeah totally it's just one of the only crimes you can get the death penalty for here in the US. But yeah it's totally cool. Even when it's against prostitutes it's not supported.
The question is why there are men who enjoy the "fiction" of murdering women.

So you're not going to try to justify yourself. When it comes to people you don't like you don't care?
Yeah, pretty much.
 

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Let's see, people are pissed off at Eminem for his song lyrics, and GTA is being blamed with violence. Why do I feel like I need to find my younger self and tell him to buy shares in apple?
 

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Ilovechocolatemilk said:
Like I said before, these sjws are the new McCarthyists. They want to blacklist and pressure private organizations into doing their will.
I can't believe a gamergater has written these words. I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading here.

Jesus Christ, the irony and hypocrisy is off the charts.
 

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IceForce said:
Ilovechocolatemilk said:
Like I said before, these sjws are the new McCarthyists. They want to blacklist and pressure private organizations into doing their will.
I can't believe a gamergater has written these words. I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading here.

Jesus Christ, the irony and hypocrisy is off the charts.
But what they believe is right, don't you get it? If these organization would only listen to GamerGate the world would be a better place. But the SJWs just want to watch the world burn. BURN!