Teaching kids about homosexuality

[Boommin]

I don't understand why they would go into detail about a fetish? In school, they go over how humans reproduce not the many different ways you can have sex. I'm really sick of all these radical religious and homosexuals blowing this argument into something else.

 

[Mr_Czar]

It's pretty odd how people can translate "Teaching kids about homosexuality" to "Making your kids gay". When I was young and learnt about the speed of light, I didn't suddenly want to become a photon. Pft.

I do NOW. Obviously.

 

[101flyboy]

Love can also occur between a man and an animal, or a woman and an animal, or a man, a woman, an alien and an animal. It's also possible that you have a desire to express your love using cream, other food, whips, poo, tinfoil, handcuffs, rapelay, domination etc. You are free to express your love in any way possible........

Yeah this sounds beautiful...

We teach kids in our society about social norms, we dont tell them about every freakin possibility there is with everything.

Comparing fictional love scenarios between aliens and humans with homosexual relationships just goes to show how badly in touch with the current reality you are.

Homosexuality BELONG to social norms in pretty much the entire western world and if a parent expect their kid to go through life never noticing that it exists or even meet a gay person then that parent lives in a fantasyworld disconnected from the real one. In the same way yours is when you try to portay it as something so uncommon as a person in love with an alien...

Well apparently it doesn't belong to our social norms yet, otherwise we wouldnt be having this discussion now would we?

It does belong to our social norms, I don't see how you came to the decision that it doesn't.

I would say that a social norm only exist when, lets say, 90% of people in a society agree that deviation of the norm is an actionable offense, to be rectified by the state, social pressure, whatever. I think it's pretty obvious that there isnt a country in the world that considers acceptance of homosexuality as part of the social norm (according to this definition).

Hell, in most of the western world (assuming we only discuss the western world here), same-sex marriage isnt even allowed. That means that the majority of the population in those countries doesnt want the same legal status for homosexual relations and before you even consider homosexuality to be included in the social norm I think it might be prudent to make it fucking legal first.

Are you kidding yourself? I mean, let's get real for a minute. A social norm isn't even about how something is accepted. It's how something influences/impacts/is a part of every day society. That's what social norm actually means. The FACT homosexuality is CONSTANTLY discussed makes it normal, obviously. If it wasn't normal, it wouldn't be a mainstream issue, and it is a mainstream issue. A lot like interracial couples, in the US, around 30% of people are against these relationships. But they are still normal, because they are things that we encounter on an every day basis. It's an every day part of life. Hell, using your definition of socially normal, is being a liberal socially normal? According to you, it wouldn't be.

As far as same-sex marriage laws, quite a few countries allow it and are in the process of allowing it. And in most of these countries a majority support it. But once again, that doesn't mean it isn't socially normal because some don't. There is a difference between social acceptance and social normality.

We get it, you think homosexuality is deviant and abnormal, but that's simply not true whatsoever. No need to get your panties in a twist.

 

[101flyboy]

go into detail about a fetish?

Failure.

 

[Boommin]

go into detail about a fetish?

Failure.

Way to expand. Purpose of life is to reproduce. Going against that is abnormal. I'm sorry but being a homosexual isn't an identity its just a preference.

 

[101flyboy]

...In all honesty-and I hate saying this, as a bicurious/bisexual person myself-your sis is right, at least for the moment. If I had kids I'd teach them about heterosexual relations first, because that is easier for them to understand and is the genetic "norm". After a few years- around 10-12 years old- I'd talk to them about gay relationships.

I'd still tell them about it earlier if they discovered it on their own though.

Why would "some men like women" be any easier to understand than "some men like men." It's "normal" isn't the answer. Homosexuality is normal and most kids have same-sex thoughts or are in situations where homosexuals are present in their lives.

 

[101flyboy]

go into detail about a fetish?

Failure.

Way to expand. Purpose of life is to reproduce. Going against that is abnormal. I'm sorry but being a homosexual isn't an identity its just a preference.

Hahahaha.

Purpose of LIFE is to reproduce? Wow. That's a funny comment. Interestingly enough, procreation isn't a top 10 reason why people have sex. But yeah, no, our lives are based solely on making babies. Right. That's the end all be all.

Going against that is abnormal? I guess that means a lot more people are abnormal in your eyes. Since the procreation rate has been going down quite a bit these last years. Must be a lot of abnormality running around.

Homosexuality is just a preference? So, when did you choose to prefer women? When you knew you couldn't procreate with men? I didn't think heterosexuals had a choice to decide whether to be with men or women.

 

[101flyboy]

What if they taught the kid much later. When they are more mature to handle it.

Handle what?

 

[101flyboy]

My pregnant sister has a 7 year old step-daughter who's in the process of learning about the birds and the bees. I was a little rattled to learn that my sister is only teaching her about hetrosexual relations, saying that it would be 'inappropriate' to tell her about homosexuality at such an early age as the step-daughter might discuss it at school and awkward phone calls from the teachers might follow. Since my sister is in a hetrosexual marriage she argued that it's what her step-daughter encounters on a daily basis, and thus is what she should be taught as the 'norm'.

Do you escapists think that children should be told about homosexuality and homosexual relationships at the same time as they're learning about straight relationships?

Absolutely not.

If an adult wants to make the decision that that lifestyle is for them, thats their business. But I completely disagree with teaching a child about it. As a parent, I find it outrageous that anyone would try to do so, to be honest.

As an adult who grew up under parents who didn't teach me about homosexuality, I am outraged that they didn't prepare me for the world I would find myself in.

Seriously - homosexuality is something that children need to be introduced to (by "introduced", I mean that they should be taught that a: homosexuals exist, and b: it is not a choice a person makes, and c: it is a perfectly acceptable way to be) homosexuality. I'm a lesbian, and I spent my entire life until I was 19 agonising over attractions and tendencies I couldn't understand because my upbringing had not prepared me to deal with them, before finally being able to realise who and what I was.

Statistically, chances are, your child will be straight. But if they do turn out to be gay, bi, whatever, you are risking some serious harm by not preparing them adequately for that possibility. And even if they are straight, they are almost certain to meet gay people during their life, and they have to be prepared to treat those people as they would any other "normal" person.

I teach my children to treat everyone how you want yourself treated. I make sure that I encourage them to make a decision about whether or not they like a person base off how the other person behaves, ie are they mean, friendly, insane, etc. I feel my wife and I have done very well with this, because both my boys have friends that are white, black, latino, etc. I feel that teaching them in this way will also encourage them to treat someone the same whether or not they are gay or straight. Either way, they are human beings, and deserve the according respect.

However, I still do not agree with, nor will I be teaching them about homosexuality, when they come to me about the birds and the bees. If they come to me and ask me about it, then thats different, and I will cross that bridge when I get to it.

Hmmm, interesting. I'm going to teach my kids to LOVE and EMBRACE and RESPECT people, but remember, it's wrong to be straight, black, a woman and left handed. But to LOVE these people and their wrongness, I mean, although they are wrong in who they are, we can still love them for who they are. We can hate who they are and love who they are, because that's LOVE, and it's powerful. Hopefully they don't ask me about these things, but if they do, I'll cross that bridge and discuss it truthfully.

 

[TWRule]

I'd say no. There's nothing wrong with parents talking about both, but not at the same time and heterosexuality first.

I wouldn't teach them both at the same time for the same reason I wouldn't try to teach the kid multiplication and division simultaneously with addition and subtraction. Let them get a firm grasp on the basic concept of sexuality first, then discuss differing instances.

The basic concepts of sexuality, includes homosexuality.

And the basic concepts of integer mathematics include addition and subtraction as well as multiplication and division, but they are different relations. The important thing is that the child understands the absolute sense of the relation - the essence, which is difficult to do if you simultaneously present them with a juxtaposition of manifestations.

 

[Boommin]

go into detail about a fetish?

Failure.

Way to expand. Purpose of life is to reproduce. Going against that is abnormal. I'm sorry but being a homosexual isn't an identity its just a preference.

Hahahaha.

Purpose of LIFE is to reproduce? Wow. That's a funny comment. Interestingly enough, procreation isn't a top 10 reason why people have sex. But yeah, no, our lives are based solely on making babies. Right. That's the end all be all.

Going against that is abnormal? I guess that means a lot more people are abnormal in your eyes. Since the procreation rate has been going down quite a bit these last years. Must be a lot of abnormality running around.

Homosexuality is just a preference? So, when did you choose to prefer women? When you knew you couldn't procreate with men? I didn't think heterosexuals had a choice to decide whether to be with men or women.

I didn't say the purpose of sex, I said of life... I love you assume being abnormal is wrong. I can have sex with a man which is called homosexual sex thus making me a homosexual. I don't have to enjoy it silly And btw didn't say I liked women

 

[101flyboy]

...In all honesty-and I hate saying this, as a bicurious/bisexual person myself-your sis is right, at least for the moment. If I had kids I'd teach them about heterosexual relations first, because that is easier for them to understand and is the genetic "norm". After a few years- around 10-12 years old- I'd talk to them about gay relationships.

I'd still tell them about it earlier if they discovered it on their own though.

Why would "some men like women" be any easier to understand than "some men like men." It's "normal" isn't the answer. Homosexuality is normal and most kids have same-sex thoughts or are in situations where homosexuals are present in their lives.

Because its biologically programmed into us to seek out mates of the opposite sex. Otherwise, there'd be a lot less humans around.

I am not saying it in a bad way-far from it-but I would rather wait a while longer to explain homosexuality to my kids, despite being bicurious/bisexual myself. Its...hard for me to explain, but if they discovered it on their own, I'd explain to them earlier. Otherwise, I'd wait a while.

It's really not hard to explain. You're basically saying kids SHOULD BE straight. And you don't want to mess with that. You're saying that being gay is a LESSER OPTION and is BENEATH heterosexuality. So, it's actually pretty clear what you're saying.

Also, gay/lesbian people are not programmed to be straight. They are not straight and they are born gay. Homosexuality is rampant in nature and most people are not 100% heterosexual.

 

[Boommin]

I'd say no. There's nothing wrong with parents talking about both, but not at the same time and heterosexuality first.

I wouldn't teach them both at the same time for the same reason I wouldn't try to teach the kid multiplication and division simultaneously with addition and subtraction. Let them get a firm grasp on the basic concept of sexuality first, then discuss differing instances.

The basic concepts of sexuality, includes homosexuality.

And the basic concepts of integer mathematics include addition and subtraction as well as multiplication and division, but they are different relations. The important thing is that the child understands the absolute sense of the relation - the essence, which is difficult to do if you simultaneously present them with a juxtaposition of manifestations.

To true Much better with your words then me

 

[Mr. Google]

No, I do not. I don't think homosexuality should be encouraged, unless it actually comes from the child itself, with as little as external influence as possible.

...or the kid might catch the gay?

This made me literally laugh out loud haha. Seriously your opinion is your opinion but the way you backed it up is a little off

 

[lSHaDoW-FoXl]

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seven years old? She doesn't even know how reproductive organs work yet, so what's the point in teaching her at that age? How to teach homosexuality in the eyes of this one Fox -

Firstly, the right age is the same age that people start to discover what they like. And the best lecture would probably go like this -

'Some guys like guys and some women like other women. Don't laugh, because some of your friends might turn up gay, some of your family might be gay, and some teachers are gay gay. In fact, you might be gay.'

And that's probably all that has to be said. Or maybe we should turn it around and make Hetero's go through what gay people do by saying homosexuality is natural and the common preference meanwhile heterosexuality isn't. You know, for an april fools joke.

 

[101flyboy]

go into detail about a fetish?

Failure.

Way to expand. Purpose of life is to reproduce. Going against that is abnormal. I'm sorry but being a homosexual isn't an identity its just a preference.

Hahahaha.

Purpose of LIFE is to reproduce? Wow. That's a funny comment. Interestingly enough, procreation isn't a top 10 reason why people have sex. But yeah, no, our lives are based solely on making babies. Right. That's the end all be all.

Going against that is abnormal? I guess that means a lot more people are abnormal in your eyes. Since the procreation rate has been going down quite a bit these last years. Must be a lot of abnormality running around.

Homosexuality is just a preference? So, when did you choose to prefer women? When you knew you couldn't procreate with men? I didn't think heterosexuals had a choice to decide whether to be with men or women.

I didn't say the purpose of sex, I said of life... I love you assume being abnormal is wrong. I can have sex with a man which is called homosexual sex thus making me a homosexual. I don't have to enjoy it silly And btw didn't say I liked women

I saw what you said. You said life is about making babies. And that made me chuckle. Yeah, how could SOOO many people get it wrong? I just don't get it. Abnormal doesn't mean wrong, how on Earth would you believe that I said it was? I don't believe in normality. No-one is normal. Like, you believing the purpose of life is to make babies. That certainly isn't normal, but of course you're entitled to your abnormal position.

A straight man can have sex with a man? That means they aren't 100% straight. Yeah..............simple knowledge. Oh, and I never said you like women, either. I don't know what you like, but I guess it wouldn't be a wild assumption that you fuck women just to make babies, and thus think that you've done your duty to the world. How proud a feeling that must be for you, if you've had it.

 

[101flyboy]

I'd say no. There's nothing wrong with parents talking about both, but not at the same time and heterosexuality first.

I wouldn't teach them both at the same time for the same reason I wouldn't try to teach the kid multiplication and division simultaneously with addition and subtraction. Let them get a firm grasp on the basic concept of sexuality first, then discuss differing instances.

The basic concepts of sexuality, includes homosexuality.

And the basic concepts of integer mathematics include addition and subtraction as well as multiplication and division, but they are different relations. The important thing is that the child understands the absolute sense of the relation - the essence, which is difficult to do if you simultaneously present them with a juxtaposition of manifestations.

The essence? So, basically, birds and bees=mommy and daddy=baby. Yeah. The thing is, we aren't talking about mathematics. We are talking about humans. Children. Yes, it's important for a kid to know WHY people are created. But if you think that's the end all, be all of what a kid will ask, and what a kid needs to learn...........no.

 

[Brawndo]

Sigh...

I challenge this forum to make a topic about homosexuality that doesn't hit 1 million pages within 24 hours. It's like there is nothing else to talk about here sometimes

 

[101flyboy]

It's really not hard to explain. You're basically saying kids SHOULD BE straight. And you don't want to mess with that. You're saying that being gay is a LESSER OPTION and is BENEATH heterosexuality. So, it's actually pretty clear what you're saying.

Also, gay/lesbian people are not programmed to be straight. They are not straight and they are born gay. Homosexuality is rampant in nature and most people are not 100% heterosexual.

Uhh...what?

I have no qualms with people being straight, gay, or anything inbetween, so why would I mess with that? I also did not say being gay was an option, nor that it makes you less of a person. If you think thats the reason I'd rather wait until my kids were old enough to understand then you are seriously mistaken.

The way you put it was more or less, people are SUPPOSED to be straight. And that you would wait a while to teach kids about anything gay related because being straight is normal. That's the way you put it. I apologize if I was wrong, I didn't mean to attack you, but that's the way I interpreted it.

 

[RoBi3.0]

At the age of 7 what a kid needs to know about the birds and the bees could easily encompass homo/heterosexual relationships. In fact all you really need to say is that when two people love each other sometimes they get "married" and start a family. conversation done, anything more then that is outside of what a 7 year old can wrap its head around.

Now when the kid is older and the time comes, when the all important sex talk needs to occur I believe that the main topic of the discussion needs to be heterosexual relations since that is the information a a young adult would need to to keep from getting someone or them self knocked up.