Tekken 7 Character Excluded From U.S. Release After Negative Feedback
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I will be fair....I like the design of the skinhead dude. I would played with him if he was a character.BrownGaijin said:
But yeah, this picture is hilarious.
Pretty sure, like 99% sure, its just a troll on the minority of complaining jacktards who think they've ultimately got some power over developers that if they make enough stink despite being a minority they can affect some form of change.
If it was legitimately an issue I'd understand but I don't see a real problem with said character in a Tekken game that's loaded with outrageous and absolutely batshit crazy characters as it is.
If it was legitimately an issue I'd understand but I don't see a real problem with said character in a Tekken game that's loaded with outrageous and absolutely batshit crazy characters as it is.
Actually a better idea would be something like this...LifeCharacter said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHFPU0TjaDU
Eh, no. He?s totally throwing a tantrum here. Some Americans are whining about his new character so he?s taking the character away so no one can play it. ?You?re criticizing my cool new ball? Fine! I?m taking my ball and going home! The Europeans will like it!?BareHope said:
I don?t play Tekken, so the final decision doesn?t affect me at all, but I find this behavior absolutely childish in every way. Some Americans are bashing your new character, so in retaliation he takes it away from all Americans? Most developers will most certainly ignore the backlash, knowing that it?s just talk and plenty of other players will like the character. But because a group of whining fans are complaining (which is what fans always do anyway), he?s going to remove the character so even the players that like the character won?t get the chance to play...
That decision wasn?t made for the consumer; it was made in retaliation.
Not only that but they accused a person that didn't agree with them a pedophile, then declared herself the authority on what types of sexy were empowering.Neronium said:There was one here as well, although the general consensus in that thread was "she's really not bad or out of place for a Tekken game", with the OP making claims that the creator was being racist...since apparently American is now a race.Dango said:
What confuses me is that this is a fighting game, a genre where if there is a character you don't like, the game lets you beat the ever-loving shit out of them. To me that is much more satisfying than just not having the character in the game.
Remarkably enough, as someone else suggested, if she was an actual supernatural person -an actual "catgirl," that would incredibly less stupid.
I mean, for all the flack she tends to get for being basically naked Felicia from Darkstalkers is rarely bashed for not being a _combatant_. Cats are top-tier predators in most of their ecosystems after all; even domestic breeds are rarely threatened by things other then dogs and cars.
The problem with Lucky Chloe is that she's not a fighter.
You'll notice that the Panda, the Dinosaur and even the other light weight female characters are still actual warriors (or predatory creatures) and their designs reflect that. She's not built like a fighter. She's, judging from the promo trailer, not trained in an actual art. She's got those stupidly huge gloves that'd at least _impair_ grappling and striking. She's sub-Waif-Fu, and yeah she does look like someone's cosplay design for a version of another character.
She reminds of effin' Momo from KoF: Maximum Impact, and for fuck's sake Momo was a TERRIBLE character!
(...pretty much any character named Momo is some kind of cutesy-ineffective; I wonder if there's some cultural subtext to that effect...)
It's not complicated: she's not a Tekken character. Sumo is, though not a good one, a fighting art. Bears are inherently dangerous. Bruce Lee-a-likes are BRUCE FUCKING LEE. Nina's an assassin, Anna's a femme-fatale, Jun's a ...spirit of purity(?!), Michele's a wanderer/brawler, Julia's a Lucha, Angela and Devil are what it says on the label, Alisa is a little odd -but she's also a flight-capable chainsaw-deploying combat gynoid, and etc etc etc.
Everything and everyone in the Tekken roster except Lily (who is the OG Cancer from which Chloe sprung) is, however weird or cliche'd, a fucking martial artist. The only other exception might be Eliza, but she's both a) an inherently dangerous thing (vampire) and b) a terrible actual fighter and easily bottom of the tiers.
Chloe could be a proper fighter, but the problem is that everything about her screams PROMOTIONAL DEAL worse then Diana Allers being in Mass Effect 3. Am I missing a detail here; Is Lucky Chloe a cameo from Idol Master or something like it?
Really the outrage is petty, but fuck it -listen to your damn fanbase, Harada. DoA is not better for pandering to the "untapped market potential" of the child molester fanbase with Marie-Rose; Tekken, how ever sprawling and silly as it can be, is not improved by adding-for-shiggles a character who's function is hardly more elevated.
Keep it real, do it right.
I mean, for all the flack she tends to get for being basically naked Felicia from Darkstalkers is rarely bashed for not being a _combatant_. Cats are top-tier predators in most of their ecosystems after all; even domestic breeds are rarely threatened by things other then dogs and cars.
The problem with Lucky Chloe is that she's not a fighter.
You'll notice that the Panda, the Dinosaur and even the other light weight female characters are still actual warriors (or predatory creatures) and their designs reflect that. She's not built like a fighter. She's, judging from the promo trailer, not trained in an actual art. She's got those stupidly huge gloves that'd at least _impair_ grappling and striking. She's sub-Waif-Fu, and yeah she does look like someone's cosplay design for a version of another character.
She reminds of effin' Momo from KoF: Maximum Impact, and for fuck's sake Momo was a TERRIBLE character!
(...pretty much any character named Momo is some kind of cutesy-ineffective; I wonder if there's some cultural subtext to that effect...)
It's not complicated: she's not a Tekken character. Sumo is, though not a good one, a fighting art. Bears are inherently dangerous. Bruce Lee-a-likes are BRUCE FUCKING LEE. Nina's an assassin, Anna's a femme-fatale, Jun's a ...spirit of purity(?!), Michele's a wanderer/brawler, Julia's a Lucha, Angela and Devil are what it says on the label, Alisa is a little odd -but she's also a flight-capable chainsaw-deploying combat gynoid, and etc etc etc.
Everything and everyone in the Tekken roster except Lily (who is the OG Cancer from which Chloe sprung) is, however weird or cliche'd, a fucking martial artist. The only other exception might be Eliza, but she's both a) an inherently dangerous thing (vampire) and b) a terrible actual fighter and easily bottom of the tiers.
Chloe could be a proper fighter, but the problem is that everything about her screams PROMOTIONAL DEAL worse then Diana Allers being in Mass Effect 3. Am I missing a detail here; Is Lucky Chloe a cameo from Idol Master or something like it?
Really the outrage is petty, but fuck it -listen to your damn fanbase, Harada. DoA is not better for pandering to the "untapped market potential" of the child molester fanbase with Marie-Rose; Tekken, how ever sprawling and silly as it can be, is not improved by adding-for-shiggles a character who's function is hardly more elevated.
Keep it real, do it right.
This is actually a good reason for not liking this characters and I can relate with that.Beretta said:
After the successful SKullgirls Kickstarter, there was a massive poll of many different characters who were potential DLC characters. Obe of them was Minette, a humanoid-fish girl who work into a restaurant. She was never indicated in the story to know a martial Art or even to know how to fight. Just pure fan-service cute characters. Sure, if she was a DLC character in the end, I am very positive the developers would make her an enjoyable character. But it is not for me. Neither Lucky Chloe.
However
Even if I don't agree with this kind of characters [waifu,cute,fan-service,etc characters], it doesn't mean I will become so obsess to want to remove a character from a game!!!! There are plenty of other people they like this kind of characters.
Even if I didn't wanted Minette become a DLC character, damn, she was VERY close to become one!!!
So........haters of cute characters who don't know story-wise how to fight, you can hate them, but let the other waifu lovers enjoy them.
Peace yo
Can we please talk about how ridiculous outrage culture has become? Whatever happened to, "If I don't like something, I won't play it." Why does a minority of people who are perpetually offended by everything get to dictate what is and is not sold?
Why are people getting outraged over Lucky Chloe? She seems like every other Japanese character design ever. Is this really the one thing people should get pissed off about? She's clearly not that ridiculous, considering the Tekken series has included characters like Gon, a dinosaur. Which only leaves one criticism from the folks at NeoGAF, which is that she's sexist.
Can we please acknowledge that the sexism critique in video games has jumped the shark?
Why are people getting outraged over Lucky Chloe? She seems like every other Japanese character design ever. Is this really the one thing people should get pissed off about? She's clearly not that ridiculous, considering the Tekken series has included characters like Gon, a dinosaur. Which only leaves one criticism from the folks at NeoGAF, which is that she's sexist.
Can we please acknowledge that the sexism critique in video games has jumped the shark?
Personally, i'm more dissapointed in Harada's response. No, Mr. Harada they are perfectly entitled to not like your character and voice their dissatisfaction in whatever forum they want. Also no, your wounded ego is not justification enough to go and punish the rest of your fans who are content with the design or start a virtual lynch mob against the ppl who don't like it or retort with vaguely xenophobic remarks.
So hypersensitive indeed. He should grow a thicker skin.
So a group of fans on the internet started a few threads voicing their dislike of the character design, THE HORROR, THE SJW BRIGADE INQUISITION IS COMING.....yeah, right. As if there aren't a million and a half threads voicing their dislike for about every single one of the playable characters wether it's design or gameplay wise or as if these ones disliking Chloe were somehow special in the light of the other ones. The only thing that differentiates them is the fact Harada took personal offense at it and wanted to make a circus show out of it.Ilovechocolatemilk said:
So hypersensitive indeed. He should grow a thicker skin.
Honestly, he's exercising his right as a creator. If NeoGAFers are going to be dickparades and ruin it for everyone, then the blame falls solely on NeoGAF. It's not easy creating something. If I had to choose between Mr. Harada and the entirety of NeoGAF, I know which one I'd choose.Alex1508 said:
Again, if you don't like something, don't buy it. Vote with your dollars.
What rights as a creator? To punish all his fanbase in an effort to create a lynch mob and then sick them at some ppl who were voicing their disatisfaction of his character design, because he was personally offended by it? Isn't this the behaviour allegdely used by the hypersensitive, pro-censorship, political correctness gone mad brigade?Ilovechocolatemilk said:
Oh but wait, it's okay this time cause it's those damn SJWs who are the end of the stick, amirite? You know how it is. It's ok only when it's done in my favour. GTA5 taken off the shelves thanks to peer pressure of the "overly sensitive"? CENSORSHIP!!! HOW DARE THEY!!!. A character designer trying to use peer pressure as revenge tool against those that offended him? Absolutely ok. ( i understand it's lower stakes as in barely reaches the level of an eye watering slapfight with this one but it's the same mondus operandi)
It wouldn't be the first time a character has been removed from a Western release - anybody here old enough to remember the character "Ash" who was cut from the non-JP versions of Streets of Rage 3 / Bare Knuckle 3?
As for the Neogaf complainers... on the one hand, we want developers to create games according to their vision, and to offer diverse experiences free from the meddling of committee-based design decisions, because we all know these safe, dreary, identikit CoD games are killing gaming - but we also reserve the right to moan, gripe, harass and lobby when a creator makes a decision that doesn't align exactly with our personal tastes! Riiiight.
As for the Neogaf complainers... on the one hand, we want developers to create games according to their vision, and to offer diverse experiences free from the meddling of committee-based design decisions, because we all know these safe, dreary, identikit CoD games are killing gaming - but we also reserve the right to moan, gripe, harass and lobby when a creator makes a decision that doesn't align exactly with our personal tastes! Riiiight.
What outrage lynch mob went after Harada? A few threads on Neogaf? What's next? The mass effect 3 ending movment was also a bloody revolution now? In what way are they different or special to all the other threads whinning about this or that character? In what way were those threads different from any other whinning thread in existence. Answer: none. Except Harada was oh so offended by it and wanted to punish them.Wandering_Hero said:
Also can you please stop shoving your "political incorrectness" agenda down my throat? Kotaku has nothing to do with this.
Well yes, they are free to have the artistic vision approved by the fans.Batou667 said:
I'm not exactly sure what that even means.Alex1508 said:
Sure, people should be able to have their say. We (collectively) keep saying we want games to aspire to be artforms, and that involves a process of critique. However, I think the average activist-minded gamer has confused critique with mob-rule.
Think about the job of an art critic, a movie critic or a restaurant critic. They all limit the scope of their critique and analysis to the finished product - they don't intervene in the creation process and attempt to steer the product closer to their own tastes, one element at a time. That would be disastrous. So why is gaming seen as a medium where the fans deserve a say in the design and development of products that are in the design stage?
You were actually quite close to what i was trying to say and also it's very nice that some producers try to take into account the needs of their consumers when it comes to the products but in the end we got to the point where only the perceived tastes of the majority/consumers are ever taken into account to the detriment of any artistic vision. And what we all got out of this is this deluge of samey, yearly rereleases that the majority seems to love so much.Batou667 said:
That is NeoGAF's own fault. Actions can precipitate reactions. Maybe NeoGAF will think twice before meddling with the creative process next time.Alex1508 said:
And again, if you don't like something, vote with your dollars. Outrage culture needs to stop. Allow everything and pay for what you like. Stop ruining what others like just because it offends your delicate sensibilities.