The Big Picture: Maddening
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Bullshit, he lives in a country with a proper legal system so people like you can't round up a gang of followers and "give him what he deserves!"
If you think the law should be rewritten to disallow convicts being put on game art, then there are proper channels for changing the law.
If you think the law should be rewritten to disallow convicts being put on game art, then there are proper channels for changing the law.
You say you believe in forgiveness but the price you demand is far higher than anyone should be expected to pay.
Mike Vick went to jail. He lost but-loads of money. He couldn't see his wife and children. He had worked with animal rights organizations to try keep others from doing what he did. He talked to children, using his ENORMOUS influence to keep them from entering dog fighting.
I think he has done enough. In THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA when you serve your time in jail and pay your fines your done with your crime.
I mean come on, the man said he is sorry and he hasn't done it or said he supported it since. No one should have to live the life of poverty Moviebob and others seem to want him to because of one misguided series of actions that didn't harm or impoverish any human beings.
Mike Vick went to jail. He lost but-loads of money. He couldn't see his wife and children. He had worked with animal rights organizations to try keep others from doing what he did. He talked to children, using his ENORMOUS influence to keep them from entering dog fighting.
I think he has done enough. In THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA when you serve your time in jail and pay your fines your done with your crime.
I mean come on, the man said he is sorry and he hasn't done it or said he supported it since. No one should have to live the life of poverty Moviebob and others seem to want him to because of one misguided series of actions that didn't harm or impoverish any human beings.
I never imagined that this would be thing thing that would raise me hackles with you Bob (huge fan BTW), but I think during the whole Vick debate there was one huge element that was swept under the carpet: race and his upbringing.
Two things first off. I'm not even slightly accusing anyone who is mad at Vick of being a racist, nor am I attempting to say that what he did was right, however his upbringing in Newport News, VA definitely was instrumental in creating the individual who committed the acts he's now infamous for.
Vick grew up in the projects, and was exposed early on to lots of negative influences. Among those influences was dog fighting. It was part of his upbringing, something he grew up alongside the drug and violence of life in the projects. This isn't an excuse, however much like some in similar impoverished circumstances grow up idolizing drug dealers or pimps, Vick saw dog fighting as something normal, rather that horrible.
I grew up in your standard suburban nuclear family, and my friends and I found an early love of movies, comics and video games. If I ever found my way into a multi-million dollar job throwing a ball, you better believe that I'd call them up and we'd blow an exorbitant amount of money on Gundam pods, classic comics and platinum-plated d20s. Oh and I'd set up my own film studio.
But if I grew up in a similar situation to Vick, you know, it's totally possible that much like him, my high school friends and I might be spending my new-found wealth on pit bulls and rape stands instead of 3D cards and Flash Gordon pulps.
With all that said, I do agree that Vick shouldn't be on the Madden cover this year. One good season of playing a game on TV doesn't in the slightest negate or excuse what he did. But to say that there's no chance of redemption or learning from one's past mistakes is a discredit to us as a society.
Two things first off. I'm not even slightly accusing anyone who is mad at Vick of being a racist, nor am I attempting to say that what he did was right, however his upbringing in Newport News, VA definitely was instrumental in creating the individual who committed the acts he's now infamous for.
Vick grew up in the projects, and was exposed early on to lots of negative influences. Among those influences was dog fighting. It was part of his upbringing, something he grew up alongside the drug and violence of life in the projects. This isn't an excuse, however much like some in similar impoverished circumstances grow up idolizing drug dealers or pimps, Vick saw dog fighting as something normal, rather that horrible.
I grew up in your standard suburban nuclear family, and my friends and I found an early love of movies, comics and video games. If I ever found my way into a multi-million dollar job throwing a ball, you better believe that I'd call them up and we'd blow an exorbitant amount of money on Gundam pods, classic comics and platinum-plated d20s. Oh and I'd set up my own film studio.
But if I grew up in a similar situation to Vick, you know, it's totally possible that much like him, my high school friends and I might be spending my new-found wealth on pit bulls and rape stands instead of 3D cards and Flash Gordon pulps.
With all that said, I do agree that Vick shouldn't be on the Madden cover this year. One good season of playing a game on TV doesn't in the slightest negate or excuse what he did. But to say that there's no chance of redemption or learning from one's past mistakes is a discredit to us as a society.
He's a fag that got rich playing a game, and he still felt the need to do illegal shit. If I had millions of dollars aside from putting most of it in a bank, i'd open up as many business ventures and just let the money roll in. So I say fuck him, take away all of his money and make him live in the ghetto, he had his chance and done goofed.
Oh no, not dog torture! Those poor doggies!
Do you realise how many civilians US troops have killed in afganistan and iraq?
How utterly callous and psychotic the invasion of iraq was, and the hundereds of thousands of people were skilled or driven from their homes due to the shrieking idiocy and evil of the people in charge of your country?
Or do you just not give a shit?
I guess you'll be outraged the next time somebody puts a soldier on the front of a video game?
Oh wait- you said in your review that soldiers deserve forgiveness more than sporting celebrities do, oh, ok. Apparently soldiers are higher on the 'sliding scale of humanity', or something.
Oh and. . apparently when a human gets murdered it's less of an outrage because they kinda deserve it or something?
There are plenty of 'real monsters comitting real unspeakable acts' in your armed forces during occupations in places like iraq - not to mention places like gitmo - but you don't care about that, or the endless oo-rah celebrations of the military that so many video games engage in, normally in directly conjunction with the Pentagon through it's taxpayer funded PR operations. One directly contributes to public neglect of the other, but you're too busy whining about some evil swarthy dog-baiter to even think about that kind of stuff. That would be too close to actual morality for you to contemplate.
The real reason people in the mainstream get so angry about cruelty to animals is they're too gutless and ignorant to care about cruelty to people. And you bob, don't even really care about cruelty to animals, of you'd be complaining about high density pig farming or something, not some obvious easy target and his abuse of rotweilers.
BTW, if there was 'ever a time and place' for you guys on the escapist to 'draw the line', it was when the people who rand this site gave homefront 2 and it's insane, overtly racist persecution fantasy of a plot such a big thumbs up.
Please, go back to comic book trivia tia.
Do you realise how many civilians US troops have killed in afganistan and iraq?
How utterly callous and psychotic the invasion of iraq was, and the hundereds of thousands of people were skilled or driven from their homes due to the shrieking idiocy and evil of the people in charge of your country?
Or do you just not give a shit?
I guess you'll be outraged the next time somebody puts a soldier on the front of a video game?
Oh wait- you said in your review that soldiers deserve forgiveness more than sporting celebrities do, oh, ok. Apparently soldiers are higher on the 'sliding scale of humanity', or something.
Oh and. . apparently when a human gets murdered it's less of an outrage because they kinda deserve it or something?
There are plenty of 'real monsters comitting real unspeakable acts' in your armed forces during occupations in places like iraq - not to mention places like gitmo - but you don't care about that, or the endless oo-rah celebrations of the military that so many video games engage in, normally in directly conjunction with the Pentagon through it's taxpayer funded PR operations. One directly contributes to public neglect of the other, but you're too busy whining about some evil swarthy dog-baiter to even think about that kind of stuff. That would be too close to actual morality for you to contemplate.
The real reason people in the mainstream get so angry about cruelty to animals is they're too gutless and ignorant to care about cruelty to people. And you bob, don't even really care about cruelty to animals, of you'd be complaining about high density pig farming or something, not some obvious easy target and his abuse of rotweilers.
BTW, if there was 'ever a time and place' for you guys on the escapist to 'draw the line', it was when the people who rand this site gave homefront 2 and it's insane, overtly racist persecution fantasy of a plot such a big thumbs up.
Please, go back to comic book trivia tia.
The amount of unmitigated hate towards vick speaks more to inherent bias against what he stands for and much less to what he has done. The fact that admitted hunters, Non vegetarians, sports fans, even one guy who admitted to being a felon, are all against vick becuase he killed dogs makes no sense.
Its one thing to say that dog fighting is wrong and he shouldn't be on the madden cover. cool
But dog fighting is wrong and anyone who does it should have their lives ruined forever and should never get a second chance is BS coming from hunters.
Yeah i know hunting is legal and doesn't involve much torture, but its still unmitigated destruction of innocent animals for the sake of entertainment. Not big enough a gap in my opinion, as the previous poster stated,Vick is so hated because he is a rich Bl---k athlete who maybe didn't deserve what he had in the first place and now people are piling on whatever they can to give their illogical hatred a semi sensible focus.
Now if you are a peta person, a vegan, etc. then i get you and i understand where you come from because your stance fits well with your argument.
But the rest of you guys need to think hard about why you want the man to suffer forever, i doubt it has much to do with dogs...
Bob the more i think about and watch this video the more i am disappointed in you... you lost cool points here buddy.
Its one thing to say that dog fighting is wrong and he shouldn't be on the madden cover. cool
But dog fighting is wrong and anyone who does it should have their lives ruined forever and should never get a second chance is BS coming from hunters.
Yeah i know hunting is legal and doesn't involve much torture, but its still unmitigated destruction of innocent animals for the sake of entertainment. Not big enough a gap in my opinion, as the previous poster stated,Vick is so hated because he is a rich Bl---k athlete who maybe didn't deserve what he had in the first place and now people are piling on whatever they can to give their illogical hatred a semi sensible focus.
Now if you are a peta person, a vegan, etc. then i get you and i understand where you come from because your stance fits well with your argument.
But the rest of you guys need to think hard about why you want the man to suffer forever, i doubt it has much to do with dogs...
Bob the more i think about and watch this video the more i am disappointed in you... you lost cool points here buddy.
I will show my support by continuing to never play or buy madden games or watch football. Anyways I don't care about the issue that much. I don't know anything about football and if the fans want to put the face of a animal abuser on a cover a game then fuck it what can you do? As for what I think about the animal abuse, well he did his time and now is moving on with his career. If this was about a nobody who was caught on the same charge and was trying to get back to his job as a cashier at wallmart and was up for employ of the month. I doubt anyone would be having much of a issue with this. You could argue Vicks he's in a role model position so it matters. But does it really?
First off, if I almost want him to win just to see if EA would be dumb enough to actually put him on the cover then market it. I doubt it but, you never know.
To the people defending slaughterhouses, fishing, hunting etc. while simultaneously attacking Vick: would you be more OK with it had he eaten the dogs and made stylish clothing afterwards?
To the people defending slaughterhouses, fishing, hunting etc. while simultaneously attacking Vick: would you be more OK with it had he eaten the dogs and made stylish clothing afterwards?
Velocirapture07 said:
Irony!Velocirapture07 said:
Nope. And if slaugherhouses put their animals through lengthy "training" that involves torturing them until they have nothing but rage toward the entire world and everything in it, then setting them on defenseless animals who weren't put through said training, and then setting them on each other so they can watch some barbaric bloodsport... I'd probably become a vegetarian on the spot.aim99 said:
If there are any Aussies reading I'm sure you know the deal about AFL players and things like this.
Even some of the minor blemishes disqualify you for that years personal achievement medals.
(Or something like that, I don't actually follow it)
How should this be any different?
Even some of the minor blemishes disqualify you for that years personal achievement medals.
(Or something like that, I don't actually follow it)
How should this be any different?
Bravo!
Congratulation to EA, you guys did it again!
No, seriously. No matter what, EA always successfully made this polemic PR stunt. Like, FUCKING EVER!
I have no interesting at all in american football, real or virtual. Dudes, I don't aware of one single football rule But still, I know everything about Michael Vick. Every fuck game related site in the universe is discussing this. don't you guys see the big picture here?! No matter if you are against or in favor. EA just wanna you talking about. For them, we're just ducks.
"EA Games: Playing Everybody"
Congratulation to EA, you guys did it again!
No, seriously. No matter what, EA always successfully made this polemic PR stunt. Like, FUCKING EVER!
I have no interesting at all in american football, real or virtual. Dudes, I don't aware of one single football rule But still, I know everything about Michael Vick. Every fuck game related site in the universe is discussing this. don't you guys see the big picture here?! No matter if you are against or in favor. EA just wanna you talking about. For them, we're just ducks.
"EA Games: Playing Everybody"
Maybe i'm missing something but that made no sense at all. You seem to have something to say about anyone that has something negative to say about him. If you don't agree cool, state your opinion in your own post and don't go around belittling other members whose opinion differs from yours.feeqmatic said: