Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).
This isn't a guy who was struggling to make a living.He had more money back then than either of us will probably ever seen in our entire lives.
This isn't a guy who was extremely unbalanced or deeply emotionally scarred. He was living like a fucking king.
He just wanted more cash he didn't even need, and he saw it as appropriate to torture and kill other lives for it. There was no physical or psychological "need" in all of this. There was only "want". As far as I'm concerned he can die in a chemical fire while being drowned and electrocuted at the same time.
Dear Moviebob,
Slow, sincere clap to everything you said.
On a related note, there is a criminal athlete I'd make an exception for: Plaxico Burress. He was the only one who got hurt and he's serving more time than Vick. As soon as he's out, he should get his jersey back. He's payed enough for being an idiot.
Actually, maybe its just more the Madden games, but usually this kind of franchise ISNT a giant rip off. I usually get the FIFA game series but then again theres a lot more you can do with soccer than you can with football. Its just USUALLY just a roaster update, theres new tech, team styles, graphics, mechanics etc.
The only way around this as far as I can see, is to charge cheaper with the risk of hurting sales (Costing more to produce than revenue to sell each copy) or put it on ONE disk and just bringing it in somewhere (If you could do it by download fine) but that would probably cost WAY more than 60 dollars, or even 120 dollars, beause as far as I know that kind of programmable software and re-doing old software isnt cheap.
So ultimately, I think its the best they can do on a console game and maybe Madden IS just a cheap roaster cash-in but I've played FIFA 10 and 11 and I can say that 11 is definately an upgrade from 10, maybe that will change with FIFA 12. Althought I wont buy FIFA 13 regardless BECAUSE I HATE THE NUMBER 13! Yes I'm supersitutious on 13, and before you say anything it will sve me 60 dollars.
I thoroughly agree! Violence in video games is completely different no one gets hurt and those psychos who do bad things would probably have done those bad things with or without video game influence! I will be very disappointed with EA if they allow a scumbag like that to be place on the cover of anything! Not that EA has been holding my interest at all lately but still.
Also I do not understand the Sports Video game industry! It drives me crazy! And I agree that those silly Madden games are merely DLC and it's outrageous that people actually buy them! I may be a little biased because I don't like sports in general (just isn't my thing), but seriously buy one good sport game you like, and maybe upgrade every few years like all the other genres out there!
*sigh* sorry bob, I rant thanks for another good episode!
He payed his legal debt to society, granted if it was you or me we'd still be in jail, take that as you will.
But paying your legal debt to society does not expunge you. He will carry that record with him his entire life.
HE KILLED ANIMALS FOR FUN, OFTEN IN HORRENOUS AND TORTUROUS WAYS, AFTER FORCING THEM TO FEEL PAIN, FOR PROFIT.
I MIGHT ALSO ADD THAT THIS SCUMBAG IS ALREADY MAKING MORE MONEY THAN MOST OF US WILL EVER SEE.
He did his time in jail, whihc means in the eyes of the law, hes done his time. Thats it. It doesnt mean he should be regarded as a hero, and he certainly shouldnt be. If it is ok for employeers to look down on people with convictions, then it should be alright to bar him from the contest.
HE WILL BE THE FACE OF MADDEN FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR. THE MESSAGE THAT SENDS TO PEOPLE, THAT YOU CAN ACT HORRENDOUSLY AS LONG AS YOUR FAMOUS AND CAN CATCH A BALL, MAKES ME SICK.
mur·der (mûrdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
Just something that niggled at me a little bit during the video. Now that's out of the way...
Yes what the guy did was pretty bastardish but he HAS done his time, I'm not gonna be inviting him around for tea any time soon but I'm not calling for his head either. Yet another reason to be thankful most of the western world has a rational justice system instead of going on the whims of the angry mob that want him lynched. Animal Cruelty, while deplorable is pretty low down on my crimes to be riled up over list with the usual suspects being at the top (genocide, murder, rape, paedophilia etc)
Also, while I respect others right to their opinions I can only hope the kind of people that feel murdering a fellow human being over an animal never get into any position of real power, thats an unbalanced and irrational mind right there.
Look guy, I understand were your coming from and I cant really speak for other animal lovers like myself but its not about valueing animals over people, its about having humanity to begin with. If you want to get technical, then sure, murder may not be the word but such deplorable acts dont deserve any sort of defense. I believe that humans are above animals but that means we have a responsibility to act human towards them, not to kill unless necessary and to NEVER cause unessary pain. Giving someone who robbed a bank a second chance makes sense as were unsure why he did it but if he shoots someone while doing it then it doesnt matter, screw him.
Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to defend the guy, what he did was sickening yes, but he's served his punishment and I don't think the calls for his head (metaphorically speaking) are deserved. Especially when people are committing worse crimes and there's not so much as a peep from people. As for the animal/murder thing, that was more the Grammar Nazi in me more than anything else.
And while I'm here.
John Funk said:
As someone who has played both rugby and futbol americano, I can say with certainty that football is waaaaaaaaay rougher than rugby is. Rugby tackles are like, "grab your jersey and pull you down." Football tackles are "250-lb slab of muscle slamming into your spine at full speed."
Here's a tip: Football players wear those pads because they need them, and that makes the sport rougher.
The statement "worse crimes" however is subjective. Look I dont value animals over people but the act of taking advantage of anything is deplorable. I love aniamls and I hate those who inflict pain on anything. It may not mean alot to some but to people like me its as bad as taking advantage of children or hurting a old person. Im sorry if this upsets anyone but please understand that its not that I like peodophiles more then you its just I hate animal killers as much as peodophiles. Yes I eat meat but thats natural in my oppinion, where as causing pain to living things for entertainment is anything but.
Also I agree that American Football can do more but that armour counts for alot, most American Football players will leave the pitch in a decent state with most injuries being internal (and yes I realise this CAN be FAR more dangerous but they have docters on staff to identify this stuff) but Rugby players have to take these hits (again not as many maybe) as well as the external pain of broken noses, bloodied eyes and dislocated joints. If given the option between being tackled by either in the apropriate gear i'd take the American Footballer as even though I may be knocked unconscious i'll at least wake up with my extremities in the right places.
Whoever decided to allow studs in Rugby is one sick mofo!
It's possible to make up for previous crimes, even as bad as animal torture. It's difficult and I haven't heard of Vick doing anything towards redemption, but it's possible. My belief is that he shouldn't be put on the cover until he redeems himself.
In agreeance with Bob on this, but even if i wasn't it IS good to see him getting back to really "Big" pictures, as opposed to the comic/movie nitpicking he's been doing recently. I'd like to see more epsiodes like this.
Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).
Really? What makes you think he's rehabilitated?
That he's not doing it anymore?
For someone as wealthy as a professional football player, the gambling was probably never a factor, which means that he was pretty much entirely for jollies.
The fact that this makes it 100% more disgusting aside...
...of COURSE he's going to quit once he's caught. It's not really the sort of thing you can get away with after you've been caught doing it.
That doesn't suggest any sort of sincerity to me.
And I get tired of people suggesting that we should just 'let it go.'
I only ever hear that in reference to professional sports players.
What about executed criminals? Should we put them on the covers of video games just because they served their court-mandated sentence? Serial killers and the like?
No, I agree with Bob completely.
Whether or not he is reformed is between him and any God that may exist.
But we do NOT need to be giving this man accolades. If he was really remorseful, I believe he would turn something like this down, realizing that he is not in any position to be a role model.
Wow! This episode was something alright. It seems to bring up some complicated issues, and i want to go into a few. So here it goes.
Is dogfighting bad?
A lot of people seem to have different opinions on how bad dogfighting is. I guess i'm not too familiar with it, so i don't really want to go to much into this. but the general consensus seems to be that dogfighting deserves a couple years in prison, and probably some more. Due to extraordinary pain the dogs go through and useless nature.
What is Forgiveness?
Let's say, for argument sake, that Vick served a fair sentence and we should forgive him. But what does it exactly mean to "forgive" him? Should we give him a second chance? should we forget about what he's done? Should we give up our resentment and anger towards him and let him get with his football career? For me, the answers are Yes. At least in the sense, that in order to forgive him, you have to answer yes to all those questions. Your definition of forgiveness may vary from mine, but at the end of the day, its much easier to say you've forgiven someone than to actually forgive them.
I would like to note, I lack a certain empathy for Vick. While I personally believe giving him a second chance is the right thing to do, I also believe giving all felons a second a chance. And its extremely frustrating to see Vick get a second chance, while many others can't even get a job, due to their background.
What does a Madden title pic mean?
As far as i can tell it means that "this player is a good player". So I guess I'm having a hard time getting mad about this. It just doesn't seem like it is an acknowledgement of Vick of being a good person, or even that we've forgiven him. I don't know, i guess it goes off the idea that being celebrity makes you a role model, or even the idea that winning an award makes you better than other people. Which, just seem silly to me.
Some People are Just "Bad".
This kind of eat away at me during the video. Basically I kept hearing "I, bob, am a good person. I may do some bad things, but I'm basically a good person. And Vick is a bad person" This may be true, but it conflicts with an idea that is one of my core beliefs. i don't believe there are "good" people and "bad" people. Only people who do good and bad things. I'm not sure if this point makes a difference, but it seems to be used to dehumanize Vick, by saying he's a monster, instead of a complex person, whose made some wrong choices. And at the same time, dismissing your own wrong choices, because hey, your a "good" person after all. It kind of reminds me All My Sons by Arthur Miller. Using the play as example:
Was The Father a bad person? If he had gone to jail and serve his time (instead of shifting the blame), would you have forgiven him(as i have defined above)? did he deserve forgiveness? Was he a murder?
Whew! Well, i feel better. I hope i made a few good points. Thanks for reading my comment.
This kind of reeks of the same kind of "won't someone please think of the children" rhetoric people use in other bullshit arguments. Won't someone please think of the cute little doggies?
I'll agree that dogfighting is pretty vile, but I refuse to agree that you can get away with saying both "look, it's not that I don't believe in redemption" and "this guy is irredeemable" in the same rant. Michael Vick probably doesn't deserve to be a national hero emblazoned on the covers of Wheaties boxes and sports magazines and videogames and what-have-you, but I feel like MovieBob poured on the Hatorade to a disturbingly strong degree.
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thanks for another good episode!
