The Big Picture: Maddening
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1. I'm not holding evidence against either Ben or Belichick as 'the world of God'. I'm saying the evidence isn't there for either one of them. Plus, the Patriots lost a first round draft pick, Belichick got fined, and the organization got fined, too. They didn't get a slap on the wrist.emeraldrafael said:
2. No. The Steelers went 3-1 with Dixon and Batch. Evidence enclosed:
Leftwich: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4465 (notice lack of any significant playing time, whatsoever)
Dixon: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11390 (Started game one, injured game two)
Batch: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1490 (Filled in for Dixon until Ben returned)
And their competition was hardly weak. They won against the Falcons and Bucs and were extremely close to beating the Ravens. The only 'weak' team they faced was the Titans, and they still opened the season pretty strong. Hell, I remember a bunch of commentators predicting that the Steelers would start 0-4, because they had one of the toughest opening schedules of any team in the league, and all without Ben. But that didn't happen, because the Steelers defense and Dixon/Batch were able to carry the team.
3. Brady had his best season since his 2007 50 TD season in 2010. No lie. Look at the stats and watch the games. He went 30-35 TDs and 4 INTs. He was consistently on target and drilling through opposing defenses like butter.
Moss requested a trade. Neither Brady nor the Patriots forced him out. And the Patriots had a pretty terrible team around Brady last year. I already said this, and I'll say it again. They had no vertical passing game whatsover and their best receivers were a slot receiver and two rookie TEs. They had one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. On every offensive possession, Brady had to put points up on the board because the Pats defense couldn't be relied upon to stop any offense. That's why you always see the Pats scoring 30+ points a game. The Steelers, on the other hand, reliably stopped opposing offenses. They won consistently, while averaging ~20 points a game. Roethlisberger just had to take care of the ball and eat clock time. The Pats depended on Brady much more than the Steelers depended on Ben.
You could argue that Belichick's system is made so that any QB can step into Brady's role, but I can't see any counter-evidence for how that's different from the Steelers. Dixon and Batch, as I've already shown you, led the team to 3-1 against good teams. All they had to do was score a couple of touchdowns and take care of the ball, while the defense just ate up the competition.
On another note, Peyton Manning is not declining, yet. You can't take a streak of 3-4 bad games and say he's declining, especially since he was amazing for the other 12-13 games. If there was ever a team that relied on just one person, it's the Colts. Manning had no consistency at WR besides Wayne. Clark got injured, leaving an undrafted nobody to take his place,. The O-line is atrocious and they had a rotating committee of suck at RB. And the only bright spot on the Colts defense is the pass rush. The secondary is terrible and their run defense is even worse. Really, it's only because of Manning that the Colts got to 10-6, seeing as everyone else was either injured or terrible.
On another note, Tony Romo. He's a good QB. I like how you dismissed his other 5-6 years in the league and focused on this one year where everything fell apart for the Cowboys. Is he clutch? No. But he's a consistent producer, and the fact that the Cowboys have been consistent playoff contenders is largely because of Romo's good QB play. He's not garbage.
I don?t know about all of you but I say we as geeks with computer go to that online vote for who should be on the cover, pick the least of all the sports evils (i.e. the "sports star" who is guilty of the most understandable and least sever crime if necessary) and have an entire community sign in/on to that vote and all vote for that one guy who is decidedly NOT micheal vick. With this entire community standing as one behind the least evil/easiest to put up with player on the cover there?s NO WAY vick gets on the cover.
P.S. No it's not a typo that micheal vicks name has no capitals its total and complete intent as I don?t think he deserves to have his name capitalized.
P.S. No it's not a typo that micheal vicks name has no capitals its total and complete intent as I don?t think he deserves to have his name capitalized.
1) Yeah, thats a weak punishment. Meanwhile, The steelers of the 70s were alleged steroid abusers before the rule was there, and people want to take their four rings from them, even though they're clearly in the grandfather clause, and that was a decade defined by steroid abuse. All players involved should have taken a severe pay cut, Bill fired, and a ring taken away, as well as the Pats organization fined more then paltry $250k. Thats what, the profits of one game for them (obviously its not, but still, thats nothing to the pats, even then). And one draft pick, and a 31st pick in the first round, after retaining their 10th pick in the first round. Thats a light punishment, especially since Belichick should have been suspended, possibly fired. Taking away their 31st pick in the first round do more damage to the organization in the end my fucking ass. Goodel.... couldnt even run a fucking soup kitchen.Sauvastika said:
2) Look at Dixon's Stats. Those are PISS poor.
Batch is worse. I dont know how does ESPN's stats, but Leftwich played more then whats portrayed. I may not be as devoted as I am to the Pens, but I am a decent Steelers fan. And he made the big plays. I remember listening to them all at least, if not watching them.
Also, the Bucs were a weak team But they had an easy schedule. For the most part, they played against weak teams. Except for Detroit, and with the exception of the last game against the Saints (though at that point, it was a rest your stars point), they lost to every team of major talent.
The Falcons run a pathetic game in comparison to the Steelers defense, and were easily stalled out by it. And as we've established, the Titans are weak. The Ravens were their only touch competition when you put it on a team against team, style against style comparison.
3) Fine, I'll conceed. its a difference of opinions, and its a much farther down the line look I take. Though I'm rather sure the 41-14 Win against Miami, the 36-7 win against the Bears, the 45-3 win against the jets, the 23-20 win against the Ravens, the 34-3 win against Buffalo, the 38-7 win against Miami (again), the 45-24 win against Detroit, and the 28-18 win again the Vikings are all rather exemplary marks in favor of a strong defense, simply cause with that much scoring on their part, its a lot of time and chances for the other team to start with hte ball and run their plays. And unless you want to tell me that brady only threw to three people the entire season (actually... thats rather plausible I suppose), there's more offensive talent there, and I'm sure its not all brady running it himself.
Meanwhile, outside of their second game against the Ravens, the Steelers lost all their games to play off bound teams and only averaged 22 points a game. ANd it should be noted, that every game that Ben wasnt in (besides Tampa, but they were no where near ready to take a team like Pittsburgh with their plays and styles) they Steelers didnt win by more then 8 pts. And even lost by 3 against the Ravens (though, they are a tough team, anyone would admit).
Yes, But manning isnt good in the clutch, and he's not as good as people like to talk him up to be when they want to compare. if brady is as good as he is becuase he carries his team, Manning should be expected to as well. And beat every team they were expected to (except for their first game with the Texans. And the first Jacksonville game. Their schedule was stacked to be easy. His performances have slowly been decreasing, especially playoffs.
Again, its all about the rings. Romo cant carry you through playoffs, then its wasting. You need someone to get you through, and to get a ring. Not someone to just get you there.
Seriously Moviebob ?Evil irredeemable waste of human life? what give you the right to judge him, I don?t care if it?s your opinion. Dog fighting is nowhere near the felony you portray it to be, when I saw the video and heard you talk I thought it was something like GBH or he was smuggling contraband. The only reason it?s such a big deal is because dogs are pets, if it was cock fighting we wouldn?t be here.
It?s ok to kill certain animals for sport but not have the others because man has an attachment to them. Seriously get over yourself, some of those same animals you speak so highly have the potential rip your face off.
This guy is not a waste he is very talented, you and everyone else should acting like he should be condemned based on his fame or his financial status.
I have never watched something on a site to this calibre that i disagree with every time I watch it or even get angry you know we believe in things to make us feel better.
It?s ok to kill certain animals for sport but not have the others because man has an attachment to them. Seriously get over yourself, some of those same animals you speak so highly have the potential rip your face off.
This guy is not a waste he is very talented, you and everyone else should acting like he should be condemned based on his fame or his financial status.
I have never watched something on a site to this calibre that i disagree with every time I watch it or even get angry you know we believe in things to make us feel better.
Bob, I must respectfully disagree with you. Strongly.
Many professional athletes have done far worse than Vick -- Stephen Jackson (currently playing for the NBA's Charlotte Bobcats) brought a gun to a nightclub and opened fire in the middle of a crowd. He could've killed somebody easily, and he didn't serve 2 years in prison. He was suspended for EIGHT games. EIGHT. That's (literally) 1/10th of a season. For firing a full clip worth of ammo in the middle of a crowd, Jackson had to go for a month without basketball. Vick spent two years in Leavenworth.
Sure, that doesn't excuse what Vick did, but maybe this will. It's obvious that he's genuine about turning his life around -- he's abandoned his old friends (the ones who pressured him towards dogfighting). There's even been a reports of him RUNNING away from old friends who were in cahoots with him during his dogfighting days.
For three years, Vick was in exile. He used to be a cocky punk. Now, he's introverted.
He now actively campaigns against dogfighting, and has made countless speeches for the Humane Society, denouncing his old lifestyle. He spends his days off visiting local schools and condemning dogfighting and animal cruelty in general.
Wanna know something? I'm a dog-lover; I have two dogs myself. I took a sledgehammer to my dad's car in protest when he wanted to get an electric fence. I love dogs with a passion. I *hated* Vick BEFORE the dog-fighting scandals. Now, after the time he spent in jail, he's my favorite player in football because of the way he has changed as a person. I'm a dog-lover, and I had no respect for Vick until AFTER he got out of prison for dogfighting.
Think about that. He literally runs away from his old friends like they're the plague. He has re-invented himself from a hated athlete into a redeemed humanitarian.
As somebody who is equal parts geek and jock, I can say that, if the only information you have about Michael Vick came from MovieBob's video, then you are horribly misinformed. If you are basing your opinion of Vick SOLELY on MovieBob's movie, then you should know that Bob isn't feeding you the whole story at all.
Give the man a break. He's not just "trying to turn his life around." He *has* turned his life around.
Many professional athletes have done far worse than Vick -- Stephen Jackson (currently playing for the NBA's Charlotte Bobcats) brought a gun to a nightclub and opened fire in the middle of a crowd. He could've killed somebody easily, and he didn't serve 2 years in prison. He was suspended for EIGHT games. EIGHT. That's (literally) 1/10th of a season. For firing a full clip worth of ammo in the middle of a crowd, Jackson had to go for a month without basketball. Vick spent two years in Leavenworth.
Sure, that doesn't excuse what Vick did, but maybe this will. It's obvious that he's genuine about turning his life around -- he's abandoned his old friends (the ones who pressured him towards dogfighting). There's even been a reports of him RUNNING away from old friends who were in cahoots with him during his dogfighting days.
For three years, Vick was in exile. He used to be a cocky punk. Now, he's introverted.
He now actively campaigns against dogfighting, and has made countless speeches for the Humane Society, denouncing his old lifestyle. He spends his days off visiting local schools and condemning dogfighting and animal cruelty in general.
Wanna know something? I'm a dog-lover; I have two dogs myself. I took a sledgehammer to my dad's car in protest when he wanted to get an electric fence. I love dogs with a passion. I *hated* Vick BEFORE the dog-fighting scandals. Now, after the time he spent in jail, he's my favorite player in football because of the way he has changed as a person. I'm a dog-lover, and I had no respect for Vick until AFTER he got out of prison for dogfighting.
Think about that. He literally runs away from his old friends like they're the plague. He has re-invented himself from a hated athlete into a redeemed humanitarian.
As somebody who is equal parts geek and jock, I can say that, if the only information you have about Michael Vick came from MovieBob's video, then you are horribly misinformed. If you are basing your opinion of Vick SOLELY on MovieBob's movie, then you should know that Bob isn't feeding you the whole story at all.
Give the man a break. He's not just "trying to turn his life around." He *has* turned his life around.
1. Wait. You're trying to say that the Pats should be punished more severely b/c the NFL didn't retroactively punish the Steelers? What? The Steelers will never have their rings taken away from them. Neither the NFL nor the fans care about that issue. Those who do are some insignificantly tiny group of critics with no serious clout. The loss of a draft pick and the fines are punishment enough. No players were involved and there's no evidence that the signal tapes influenced any game at all.emeraldrafael said:
2. That little blip in the final game is all that Leftwich played last year. It's not like ESPN just left out random stats. If you're going strictly by TD-INT ratio, those stats aren't great, but if you factor in YPA and Comp % or if you look at Passer Rating, then Dixon and Batch aren't half bad, especially for 2nd and 3rd string QBs. Plus, you've basically argued that despite mediocre QB play, the Steelers were able to win.
True about the Bucs, but saying the Falcons offense couldn't stack up against the Steelers defense basically just strengthened my argument. The Falcons, who went 12-4 and defeated teams like the Ravens, Packers, and Saints, were unable to beat the Steelers w/o Ben. It sounds like the Steelers have a great team regardless of who's playing QB.
Plus, the Steelers' schedule after Ben's return isn't anything to write home about. The only teams with winning records in those last 12 games were the Saints, Jets, Patriots and Ravens. I still maintain that those first four games were the Steelers' toughest string of match-ups. Three teams with winning records out of four.
3. The only decent offenses on that list are probably the Ravens, Jets, Bills (arguably), and Lions (arguably: good skill players, but 3rd string QB). The Bears had an atrocious O-line last year and were maddeningly inconsistent on offense. Miami's best offensive player was the kicker. Favre couldn't keep it together for the Vikings. Meanwhile, the Ravens and Jets operate like the Steelers (strong defense; clock-eating, average-scoring offense). The Lions and the Bills are probably the only teams on that list that have potentially high-scoring offenses.
4. A sample size of four games isn't really enough to show any kind of trend. So they beat two teams by less than 8 pts, one team by more than 8 pts, and lost to another team. I don't see any statistically significant correlation. The Steelers offense averaged 22 pts a game, but they don't run a high-scoring offense. The Steelers are a defense-first team. The offensive philosophy is like the Jets, Ravens, or Bucs (circa 2002). It's supposed to just eat up clock time, not blow out opponents.
5. If we're counting the Super Bowl as the only measure of 'clutch', then yeah, Manning's not great. But if you look at the stats for 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives, Manning, I think, has the most in league history (or at least in the top 3-4).
6. Romo shouldn't have to carry the Cowboys through the playoffs. A team that depends solely on the QB (Pats and Colts) won't get far in the playoffs because they're facing teams that have complete offenses and defenses. I'd wager on a team with a mediocre QB and great skill players and defense than a team with a great QB and mediocre supporting cast. QBs shouldn't be expected to carry their their team to the Super Bowl. Even the SB-winning Colts and Pats teams had great skill players and strong defenses.
1) No, I think those people are crazy. I would never make someone or something be punished retroactively. Thats just stupid.Sauvastika said:
2) I didnt say they dont have a good team, but they dont have a good offense without him. At least, not as good as it is with him. The steelers are much greater with ben, and with him, they're more likely to beat the actual teams they should be worried about. You know, the Pats, the Ravens... the... well, the Colts, but the COlts dont exactly scare me as a steelers fan. I suppose they should, but they just dont. I said in my other post that they had a great defensive core, but not as great of an offensive core.
3) It still proves my point that saying the defense was bad for the Pats this year is a bad statement. Also you said in your sixth point they have good defense.
4) Yet they show the potential they can, and often its when the steelers look best. When its conference (colts/pats) or division (Ravens) rvials, you never expect it to be terribly high scoring. BUt when you have games like they did in against Oakland, the Steelers offense looks amazing, and shows a true talent that it has to be both a heavy hitting defense and score board lighting offense.
5) I'm looking at playoffs and Super Bowls. you're judged by the rings you have on your fingers. If Brady didnt have 3 rings, he wouldnt look nearly so impressive. No QB with multiple rings would.
6) But your QB is your main guy. Yeah, you CAN win on Field goals, but thats hard to do every game, and even harder int he playoffs. Romo needs to be able to preform better then what he does. He's hype, thats realy it. He's good for where he is, but for the way I heard him talked up, he should be far superior then what he's showing.
Would you like to agree to disagree? Arguably, this isnt my sport. Hockey is more my speed, and I have only a passing interest in Football. But I'll continue this if you decide you want to.
1)What he did was wrong, okay? Stop trying to make up excuses or bullcrap like he served his time. He may have taken his punishment but it doesn't mean we have to forgive him.
2)It might just be a dog but to put any sort of animal in that sort of pain for NOTHING is barbaric and this is the type of behavior has been seen in serial killers who openly admit to torturing and killing animals as children for shits and gigs.
3)Hunting and killing animals for food is NOT the same as killing and torturing animals for pleasure and entertainment. Stop comparing the two. Hunting, if done right has it's purpose and I know when I went hunting in my younger days we used almost everything off the deer. Cattle, Chicken, Pigs all die for a noble cause. To feed hungry people all around the world not just Amerifats or whatever you ignorant fools thing. No they are not all treated like god damn Kobe Beef cows but they are food.
4)I know he's a damn good football player but if a Doctor, Teacher, Cop, ANYBODY but a god damn celebrity/Super Star Athlete did this he would serve his time and have one hell of a time trying to find another job and be accepted. But because this asshat can catch a ball good (Call it art idc) he is somehow better than the average Joe?
All i'm saying is he's a damn criminal and criminals should never be looked up to as role models, ever. End of story. He shouldn't be honored with his damn face on the cover. Idc how many years he went to jail or what he lost. He went through our system and I accept that but he won't be getting forgiveness from me or anybody I know thats for damn sure.
Good Video Bob I enjoyed this weeks Big Picture very much. When you make videos about stuff you are REALLY passionate about you truly shine.
2)It might just be a dog but to put any sort of animal in that sort of pain for NOTHING is barbaric and this is the type of behavior has been seen in serial killers who openly admit to torturing and killing animals as children for shits and gigs.
3)Hunting and killing animals for food is NOT the same as killing and torturing animals for pleasure and entertainment. Stop comparing the two. Hunting, if done right has it's purpose and I know when I went hunting in my younger days we used almost everything off the deer. Cattle, Chicken, Pigs all die for a noble cause. To feed hungry people all around the world not just Amerifats or whatever you ignorant fools thing. No they are not all treated like god damn Kobe Beef cows but they are food.
4)I know he's a damn good football player but if a Doctor, Teacher, Cop, ANYBODY but a god damn celebrity/Super Star Athlete did this he would serve his time and have one hell of a time trying to find another job and be accepted. But because this asshat can catch a ball good (Call it art idc) he is somehow better than the average Joe?
All i'm saying is he's a damn criminal and criminals should never be looked up to as role models, ever. End of story. He shouldn't be honored with his damn face on the cover. Idc how many years he went to jail or what he lost. He went through our system and I accept that but he won't be getting forgiveness from me or anybody I know thats for damn sure.
Good Video Bob I enjoyed this weeks Big Picture very much. When you make videos about stuff you are REALLY passionate about you truly shine.
I'm not a fan of american football and I've never really been a fan of many american sports (even though I am american myself. But because this seems to be a bit of a big deal, I hopped on to EA.com and voted against Michael Vick. It felt good. You guys should try it.
This is hysterical nonsenseThedek said:
Acording to many major religions dogs and other animals dont have souls...
And the religions that do treat dogs and animals as important spiritual elements dont believe in hell.
A lot of you high and mighty folks need to get over yourselves and take a look in a mirror or at least a look around you and see if you are living a pious enough lifestyle to wish ill will upon someone.
im not going to rehash the same argument ive had 100 times ill just make it quick
Killing animals for fun whether dogfighting or hunting is a what and a what, i dont care what you say to rationalize it about being legal im sure if the dog and the moose could speak the would say the same thing.
Dogs are not humans, the only reason why they are "loyal" is because they have pack mentalities and have been bred to be domesticated would be loyal to anyone who took care of them. They dont cure diseases, they dont build houses, they dont pay taxes and they DONT HAVE SOULS!
You may not live in America, but this is the land of second chances, especially if you are economically bankable. And as backwards as it may be (I know this well because i am a Teacher who hasnt had a raise in 4 years) economics not altruism guides the amount you get paid.
So yes Vick, Charlie Sheen, Hugh Grant, Dany Heatly, Mel Gibson, R. Kelly, Micheal Jackson, Woody Allen, Robert Downy Jr, Barrack Obama, George Bush- and his wife who killed a guy! ALL GET SECOND CHANCES! Much like most Americans, its just that some second chances involve millions of dollars and some dont
Bob forgot one thing: Madden players get paid so fucking much that it's downright silly. So, this isn't someone who does it to keep the wheels spinning, it's far more likely to keep the coke (or whatever drug they use nowadays, or whores for that sake) coming.
However, as was pointed out in this thread, he has done a whole lot to make up for it, so I'm a bit on the fence here. I wouldn't want him up there, but I think that there are many others in that league who probably are worse people than him as well. so...
However, as was pointed out in this thread, he has done a whole lot to make up for it, so I'm a bit on the fence here. I wouldn't want him up there, but I think that there are many others in that league who probably are worse people than him as well. so...
Yeah, murder is perfectly fine.Susan Arendt said:
Isn't it funny how Bob has made a big deal about discussing things with his audience, but whenever a controversial topic comes up or he is accused of being a douche (eg. This video and the Expendables review) he is nowhere to be seen?