The Big Picture: Maddening

[GrudgeGamer]

Seriously Moviebob ?Evil irredeemable waste of human life? what give you the right to judge him, I don?t care if it?s your opinion. Dog fighting is nowhere near the felony you portray it to be, when I saw the video and heard you talk I thought it was something like GBH or he was smuggling contraband. The only reason it?s such a big deal is because dogs are pets, if it was cock fighting we wouldn?t be here.
It?s ok to kill certain animals for sport but not have the others because man has an attachment to them. Seriously get over yourself, some of those same animals you speak so highly have the potential rip your face off.
This guy is not a waste he is very talented, you and everyone else should acting like he should be condemned based on his fame or his financial status.
I have never watched something on a site to this calibre that i disagree with every time I watch it or even get angry you know we believe in things to make us feel better.

 

[thevillageidiot13]

Bob, I must respectfully disagree with you. Strongly.

Many professional athletes have done far worse than Vick -- Stephen Jackson (currently playing for the NBA's Charlotte Bobcats) brought a gun to a nightclub and opened fire in the middle of a crowd. He could've killed somebody easily, and he didn't serve 2 years in prison. He was suspended for EIGHT games. EIGHT. That's (literally) 1/10th of a season. For firing a full clip worth of ammo in the middle of a crowd, Jackson had to go for a month without basketball. Vick spent two years in Leavenworth.

Sure, that doesn't excuse what Vick did, but maybe this will. It's obvious that he's genuine about turning his life around -- he's abandoned his old friends (the ones who pressured him towards dogfighting). There's even been a reports of him RUNNING away from old friends who were in cahoots with him during his dogfighting days.

For three years, Vick was in exile. He used to be a cocky punk. Now, he's introverted.

He now actively campaigns against dogfighting, and has made countless speeches for the Humane Society, denouncing his old lifestyle. He spends his days off visiting local schools and condemning dogfighting and animal cruelty in general.

Wanna know something? I'm a dog-lover; I have two dogs myself. I took a sledgehammer to my dad's car in protest when he wanted to get an electric fence. I love dogs with a passion. I *hated* Vick BEFORE the dog-fighting scandals. Now, after the time he spent in jail, he's my favorite player in football because of the way he has changed as a person. I'm a dog-lover, and I had no respect for Vick until AFTER he got out of prison for dogfighting.

Think about that. He literally runs away from his old friends like they're the plague. He has re-invented himself from a hated athlete into a redeemed humanitarian.

As somebody who is equal parts geek and jock, I can say that, if the only information you have about Michael Vick came from MovieBob's video, then you are horribly misinformed. If you are basing your opinion of Vick SOLELY on MovieBob's movie, then you should know that Bob isn't feeding you the whole story at all.

Give the man a break. He's not just "trying to turn his life around." He *has* turned his life around.

 

[captainwalrus]

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1. Wait. You're trying to say that the Pats should be punished more severely b/c the NFL didn't retroactively punish the Steelers? What? The Steelers will never have their rings taken away from them. Neither the NFL nor the fans care about that issue. Those who do are some insignificantly tiny group of critics with no serious clout. The loss of a draft pick and the fines are punishment enough. No players were involved and there's no evidence that the signal tapes influenced any game at all.

2. That little blip in the final game is all that Leftwich played last year. It's not like ESPN just left out random stats. If you're going strictly by TD-INT ratio, those stats aren't great, but if you factor in YPA and Comp % or if you look at Passer Rating, then Dixon and Batch aren't half bad, especially for 2nd and 3rd string QBs. Plus, you've basically argued that despite mediocre QB play, the Steelers were able to win.

True about the Bucs, but saying the Falcons offense couldn't stack up against the Steelers defense basically just strengthened my argument. The Falcons, who went 12-4 and defeated teams like the Ravens, Packers, and Saints, were unable to beat the Steelers w/o Ben. It sounds like the Steelers have a great team regardless of who's playing QB.

Plus, the Steelers' schedule after Ben's return isn't anything to write home about. The only teams with winning records in those last 12 games were the Saints, Jets, Patriots and Ravens. I still maintain that those first four games were the Steelers' toughest string of match-ups. Three teams with winning records out of four.

3. The only decent offenses on that list are probably the Ravens, Jets, Bills (arguably), and Lions (arguably: good skill players, but 3rd string QB). The Bears had an atrocious O-line last year and were maddeningly inconsistent on offense. Miami's best offensive player was the kicker. Favre couldn't keep it together for the Vikings. Meanwhile, the Ravens and Jets operate like the Steelers (strong defense; clock-eating, average-scoring offense). The Lions and the Bills are probably the only teams on that list that have potentially high-scoring offenses.

4. A sample size of four games isn't really enough to show any kind of trend. So they beat two teams by less than 8 pts, one team by more than 8 pts, and lost to another team. I don't see any statistically significant correlation. The Steelers offense averaged 22 pts a game, but they don't run a high-scoring offense. The Steelers are a defense-first team. The offensive philosophy is like the Jets, Ravens, or Bucs (circa 2002). It's supposed to just eat up clock time, not blow out opponents.

5. If we're counting the Super Bowl as the only measure of 'clutch', then yeah, Manning's not great. But if you look at the stats for 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives, Manning, I think, has the most in league history (or at least in the top 3-4).

6. Romo shouldn't have to carry the Cowboys through the playoffs. A team that depends solely on the QB (Pats and Colts) won't get far in the playoffs because they're facing teams that have complete offenses and defenses. I'd wager on a team with a mediocre QB and great skill players and defense than a team with a great QB and mediocre supporting cast. QBs shouldn't be expected to carry their their team to the Super Bowl. Even the SB-winning Colts and Pats teams had great skill players and strong defenses.

 

[emeraldrafael]

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1) No, I think those people are crazy. I would never make someone or something be punished retroactively. Thats just stupid.

2) I didnt say they dont have a good team, but they dont have a good offense without him. At least, not as good as it is with him. The steelers are much greater with ben, and with him, they're more likely to beat the actual teams they should be worried about. You know, the Pats, the Ravens... the... well, the Colts, but the COlts dont exactly scare me as a steelers fan. I suppose they should, but they just dont. I said in my other post that they had a great defensive core, but not as great of an offensive core.

3) It still proves my point that saying the defense was bad for the Pats this year is a bad statement. Also you said in your sixth point they have good defense.

4) Yet they show the potential they can, and often its when the steelers look best. When its conference (colts/pats) or division (Ravens) rvials, you never expect it to be terribly high scoring. BUt when you have games like they did in against Oakland, the Steelers offense looks amazing, and shows a true talent that it has to be both a heavy hitting defense and score board lighting offense.

5) I'm looking at playoffs and Super Bowls. you're judged by the rings you have on your fingers. If Brady didnt have 3 rings, he wouldnt look nearly so impressive. No QB with multiple rings would.

6) But your QB is your main guy. Yeah, you CAN win on Field goals, but thats hard to do every game, and even harder int he playoffs. Romo needs to be able to preform better then what he does. He's hype, thats realy it. He's good for where he is, but for the way I heard him talked up, he should be far superior then what he's showing.

Would you like to agree to disagree? Arguably, this isnt my sport. Hockey is more my speed, and I have only a passing interest in Football. But I'll continue this if you decide you want to.

 

[DugMachine]

1)What he did was wrong, okay? Stop trying to make up excuses or bullcrap like he served his time. He may have taken his punishment but it doesn't mean we have to forgive him.

2)It might just be a dog but to put any sort of animal in that sort of pain for NOTHING is barbaric and this is the type of behavior has been seen in serial killers who openly admit to torturing and killing animals as children for shits and gigs.

3)Hunting and killing animals for food is NOT the same as killing and torturing animals for pleasure and entertainment. Stop comparing the two. Hunting, if done right has it's purpose and I know when I went hunting in my younger days we used almost everything off the deer. Cattle, Chicken, Pigs all die for a noble cause. To feed hungry people all around the world not just Amerifats or whatever you ignorant fools thing. No they are not all treated like god damn Kobe Beef cows but they are food.

4)I know he's a damn good football player but if a Doctor, Teacher, Cop, ANYBODY but a god damn celebrity/Super Star Athlete did this he would serve his time and have one hell of a time trying to find another job and be accepted. But because this asshat can catch a ball good (Call it art idc) he is somehow better than the average Joe?

All i'm saying is he's a damn criminal and criminals should never be looked up to as role models, ever. End of story. He shouldn't be honored with his damn face on the cover. Idc how many years he went to jail or what he lost. He went through our system and I accept that but he won't be getting forgiveness from me or anybody I know thats for damn sure.

Good Video Bob I enjoyed this weeks Big Picture very much. When you make videos about stuff you are REALLY passionate about you truly shine.

 

[Mordan Freeman]

I'm not a fan of american football and I've never really been a fan of many american sports (even though I am american myself. But because this seems to be a bit of a big deal, I hopped on to EA.com and voted against Michael Vick. It felt good. You guys should try it.

 

[feeqmatic]

Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).

He got his second chance - he's still playing professional football and getting paid obscene amounts of money for it. He's been given the opportunity to make a living off his athletic prowess. Anything other than that? He was a millionaire who got his jollies torturing and killing innocent animals. He can die in a damn fire.

And if several major religions are correct. I'd wager he will, or rather spend the latter end of eternity in one.


Seriously, why is killing people willfully magically worse than killing a dog( one of the most loyal creatures on earth)willfully without good reason for either?

We are BOTH animals. Oftentimes dogs are nicer ones at that.

Besides, he was rich, so it wasn't that he did an evil thing for need of money. He wasn't forced to do this to survive(like self defense), nor did he have any "The ends justify the means" excuse for the shit he did.

I'm not the biggest animal person either, even though my mom has had dogs my whole life so I'm used to being around them.

I don't hate them or greatly love them. Sometimes they piss me off, sometimes they are cool.

But put aside the "humans are better" idealogical bullshit we conjured up out of our asses.


Let's say he did this to people. Who says dogs can't suffer as much anguish as people do?

If he did this to people, just about everyone would not offer him any chance of forgiveness. Not in this life. They'd demand he be burnt at the stake,drawn and quartered, or fucking crucified.

But let's say pets are magically not as worthy as we are..... he still should have been in jail longer. Let's say the life sentence, of one dog. Only one. That's roughly 10-15 years.


That sounds about right to me, and even then never allow him to play professional sports the rest of his natural life.

The sports thing is a massive privilege most people can't even dream about. Getting paid tons, upon tons of money to throw a ball around. Most people with much more meaningful altruistic jobs don't get paid a quarter of what he gets paid in maybe a game, much less a season. Probably the rest of their LIVES, they don't get paid for what he gets paid to do for a single game of glorified catch.

Most ex-cons can't get jobs for crap, even if they really repented for their deeds. He did a lot of meaninglessly evil shit, for no good reason at all, and he gets paid millions to throw a ball around and (My opinion)doesn't seem to feel that bad about it.(/My opinion)


Hellfire I can't even get shit work, seemingly because I am autistic and don't think exactly like your typical employer, and yet this guy does a small stent in jail, and immediately gets to play ball for millions upon millions.

Like he didn't just do some shit to get him put firmly into Neutral or maybe even Chaotic Evil.

What the fuck American? What the fuck world? What the hell is wrong with you guys?


In conclusion, I agree wholeheartedly Ms. Arendt, with one caveat. May he die in,Hellfire, or possibly Soulfire.

This is hysterical nonsense

Acording to many major religions dogs and other animals dont have souls...

And the religions that do treat dogs and animals as important spiritual elements dont believe in hell.

A lot of you high and mighty folks need to get over yourselves and take a look in a mirror or at least a look around you and see if you are living a pious enough lifestyle to wish ill will upon someone.

im not going to rehash the same argument ive had 100 times ill just make it quick

Killing animals for fun whether dogfighting or hunting is a what and a what, i dont care what you say to rationalize it about being legal im sure if the dog and the moose could speak the would say the same thing.

Dogs are not humans, the only reason why they are "loyal" is because they have pack mentalities and have been bred to be domesticated would be loyal to anyone who took care of them. They dont cure diseases, they dont build houses, they dont pay taxes and they DONT HAVE SOULS!

You may not live in America, but this is the land of second chances, especially if you are economically bankable. And as backwards as it may be (I know this well because i am a Teacher who hasnt had a raise in 4 years) economics not altruism guides the amount you get paid.

So yes Vick, Charlie Sheen, Hugh Grant, Dany Heatly, Mel Gibson, R. Kelly, Micheal Jackson, Woody Allen, Robert Downy Jr, Barrack Obama, George Bush- and his wife who killed a guy! ALL GET SECOND CHANCES! Much like most Americans, its just that some second chances involve millions of dollars and some dont

 

[0thello]

I disagree with you Bob. I don't accept your reasons for him not to qualify for the front cover.

 

[Tinybear]

Bob forgot one thing: Madden players get paid so fucking much that it's downright silly. So, this isn't someone who does it to keep the wheels spinning, it's far more likely to keep the coke (or whatever drug they use nowadays, or whores for that sake) coming.

However, as was pointed out in this thread, he has done a whole lot to make up for it, so I'm a bit on the fence here. I wouldn't want him up there, but I think that there are many others in that league who probably are worse people than him as well. so...

 

[Inglip]

Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).

He got his second chance - he's still playing professional football and getting paid obscene amounts of money for it. He's been given the opportunity to make a living off his athletic prowess. Anything other than that? He was a millionaire who got his jollies torturing and killing innocent animals. He can die in a damn fire.

Yeah, murder is perfectly fine.

Isn't it funny how Bob has made a big deal about discussing things with his audience, but whenever a controversial topic comes up or he is accused of being a douche (eg. This video and the Expendables review) he is nowhere to be seen?

 

[0thello]

Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).

He got his second chance - he's still playing professional football and getting paid obscene amounts of money for it. He's been given the opportunity to make a living off his athletic prowess. Anything other than that? He was a millionaire who got his jollies torturing and killing innocent animals. He can die in a damn fire.

Yeah, murder is perfectly fine.

Isn't it funny how Bob has made a big deal about discussing things with his audience, but whenever a controversial topic comes up or he is accused of being a douche (eg. This video and the Expendables review) he is nowhere to be seen?

It could be because it's such an emotionally charged subject that largely the only discourse will be complete and utter hate filled bickering, and he doesn't see the point in engaging in it.

It's like. If you know the person disagrees with you,is angry, and isn't going to listen to anything you have to say, then why are you bothering to talk to them?

Bob in this discussion seems to be the emotionally charged, hate filled bickerer. In fact all the sycophants seem to either share this hatred or adopt it based on their admiration for Bob.t it.

 

[Inglip]

Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).

He got his second chance - he's still playing professional football and getting paid obscene amounts of money for it. He's been given the opportunity to make a living off his athletic prowess. Anything other than that? He was a millionaire who got his jollies torturing and killing innocent animals. He can die in a damn fire.

Yeah, murder is perfectly fine.

Isn't it funny how Bob has made a big deal about discussing things with his audience, but whenever a controversial topic comes up or he is accused of being a douche (eg. This video and the Expendables review) he is nowhere to be seen?

It could be because it's such an emotionally charged subject that largely the only discourse will be complete and utter hate filled bickering, and he doesn't see the point in engaging in it.

It's like. If you know the person disagrees with you,is angry, and isn't going to listen to anything you have to say, then why are you bothering to talk to them?

Eh, it just seems cowardly to me.

 

[Inglip]

Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).

He got his second chance - he's still playing professional football and getting paid obscene amounts of money for it. He's been given the opportunity to make a living off his athletic prowess. Anything other than that? He was a millionaire who got his jollies torturing and killing innocent animals. He can die in a damn fire.

Yeah, murder is perfectly fine.

Isn't it funny how Bob has made a big deal about discussing things with his audience, but whenever a controversial topic comes up or he is accused of being a douche (eg. This video and the Expendables review) he is nowhere to be seen?

It could be because it's such an emotionally charged subject that largely the only discourse will be complete and utter hate filled bickering, and he doesn't see the point in engaging in it.

It's like. If you know the person disagrees with you,is angry, and isn't going to listen to anything you have to say, then why are you bothering to talk to them?

Eh, it just seems cowardly to me.

Arguing with someone who flat out dismisses everything you have to say, without giving it anything more than the cursory of glances isn't being brave it's an utterly stupid waste of time.

Except Bob hasn't tried arguing so he doesn't know how people will react. Or are you just one of those people who think anyone who disagrees with you is just not listening or a "troll."

 

[DSQ]

Now he has been released after paying his legal debts to society. He is doing community service as part of his punishment. He is, for all public information, acting as a better person than before. Allowing him back to the NFL is fair, I don't like him, but people shouldn't be prevented from having a job ever again. Teams have the right not to sign him though.

pretty much this.

I know alot of people who have... bad life choices. Did there time and have been released. They have become better people and gotten on with there lives. We can't deny people that option of just moving on.

Tell us Bob, why doesn't 'he has served his time' count?

I hope he loses tbh, he is clearly no role model, but he has done his time and as far as we know is rehibilated.

 

[Swifteye]

ya know in japan they have a little kids game where two bugs fight each other to the death. It's said that gave some sparks to the ideas that led to pokemon.

 

[Zydrate]

Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).

He got his second chance - he's still playing professional football and getting paid obscene amounts of money for it. He's been given the opportunity to make a living off his athletic prowess. Anything other than that? He was a millionaire who got his jollies torturing and killing innocent animals. He can die in a damn fire.

Yeah, murder is perfectly fine.

Isn't it funny how Bob has made a big deal about discussing things with his audience, but whenever a controversial topic comes up or he is accused of being a douche (eg. This video and the Expendables review) he is nowhere to be seen?

It could be because it's such an emotionally charged subject that largely the only discourse will be complete and utter hate filled bickering, and he doesn't see the point in engaging in it.

It's like. If you know the person disagrees with you,is angry, and isn't going to listen to anything you have to say, then why are you bothering to talk to them?

Eh, it just seems cowardly to me.

Arguing with someone who flat out dismisses everything you have to say, without giving it anything more than the cursory of glances isn't being brave it's an utterly stupid waste of time.

Except Bob hasn't tried arguing so he doesn't know how people will react. Or are you just one of those people who think anyone who disagrees with you is just not listening or a "troll."

People can disagree strongly and still have intelligent replies. Bob hasn't replied to any of those, either.

 

[II2none]

Bob I'm sorry but I highly disagree with your opinion on vick. For one thing yes there animals and call me a heartless waste of life but as far as I'm concerned they don't compare to human lives. And yes I have a dog, a puppy to be more specific and if I had to leave him behind because he got trapped in a fire or buried in a cave. That sucks but guess what there is such a thing as moving on.

2) Your taking his offense way too harsh, I mean you and many others act like he raped and tortured little kids. I think 2 years in jail for some illegal dog fights is punishment enough. And remember japan, folks.... yeah there still in deep shit, and I think that should be more high up on the priority list of concerns then some nfl player.

Everyone needs to settle down, he served his ridiculously long term and regardless of his stupid decisions. At this point I could care less. (didn't really care much then either) I bet if he wasn't a black or an NFL player he probably would have gotten off easy. But whatever the reason justice was served, just let the man play, and let him advertise himself.

At least the Mike Vick haters can spit on the cover.

 

[II2none]

This is hysterical nonsense

Acording to many major religions dogs and other animals dont have souls...

And the religions that do treat dogs and animals as important spiritual elements dont believe in hell.

A lot of you high and mighty folks need to get over yourselves and take a look in a mirror or at least a look around you and see if you are living a pious enough lifestyle to wish ill will upon someone.

im not going to rehash the same argument ive had 100 times ill just make it quick

Killing animals for fun whether dogfighting or hunting is a what and a what, i dont care what you say to rationalize it about being legal im sure if the dog and the moose could speak the would say the same thing.

Dogs are not humans, the only reason why they are "loyal" is because they have pack mentalities and have been bred to be domesticated would be loyal to anyone who took care of them. They dont cure diseases, they dont build houses, they dont pay taxes and they DONT HAVE SOULS!

You may not live in America, but this is the land of second chances, especially if you are economically bankable. And as backwards as it may be (I know this well because i am a Teacher who hasnt had a raise in 4 years) economics not altruism guides the amount you get paid.

So yes Vick, Charlie Sheen, Hugh Grant, Dany Heatly, Mel Gibson, R. Kelly, Micheal Jackson, Woody Allen, Robert Downy Jr, Barrack Obama, George Bush- and his wife who killed a guy! ALL GET SECOND CHANCES! Much like most Americans, its just that some second chances involve millions of dollars and some dont[/quote]

Finally somebody with some sense.

 

[II2none]

Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).

He got his second chance - he's still playing professional football and getting paid obscene amounts of money for it. He's been given the opportunity to make a living off his athletic prowess. Anything other than that? He was a millionaire who got his jollies torturing and killing innocent animals. He can die in a damn fire.

And if several major religions are correct. I'd wager he will, or rather spend the latter end of eternity in one.


Seriously, why is killing people willfully magically worse than killing a dog( one of the most loyal creatures on earth)willfully without good reason for either?

We are BOTH animals. Oftentimes dogs are nicer ones at that.

Besides, he was rich, so it wasn't that he did an evil thing for need of money. He wasn't forced to do this to survive(like self defense), nor did he have any "The ends justify the means" excuse for the shit he did.

I'm not the biggest animal person either, even though my mom has had dogs my whole life so I'm used to being around them.

I don't hate them or greatly love them. Sometimes they piss me off, sometimes they are cool.

But put aside the "humans are better" idealogical bullshit we conjured up out of our asses.


Let's say he did this to people. Who says dogs can't suffer as much anguish as people do?

If he did this to people, just about everyone would not offer him any chance of forgiveness. Not in this life. They'd demand he be burnt at the stake,drawn and quartered, or fucking crucified.

But let's say pets are magically not as worthy as we are..... he still should have been in jail longer. Let's say the life sentence, of one dog. Only one. That's roughly 10-15 years.


That sounds about right to me, and even then never allow him to play professional sports the rest of his natural life.

The sports thing is a massive privilege most people can't even dream about. Getting paid tons, upon tons of money to throw a ball around. Most people with much more meaningful altruistic jobs don't get paid a quarter of what he gets paid in maybe a game, much less a season. Probably the rest of their LIVES, they don't get paid for what he gets paid to do for a single game of glorified catch.

Most ex-cons can't get jobs for crap, even if they really repented for their deeds. He did a lot of meaninglessly evil shit, for no good reason at all, and he gets paid millions to throw a ball around and (My opinion)doesn't seem to feel that bad about it.(/My opinion)


Hellfire I can't even get shit work, seemingly because I am autistic and don't think exactly like your typical employer, and yet this guy does a small stent in jail, and immediately gets to play ball for millions upon millions.

Like he didn't just do some shit to get him put firmly into Neutral or maybe even Chaotic Evil.

What the fuck American? What the fuck world? What the hell is wrong with you guys?


In conclusion, I agree wholeheartedly Ms. Arendt, with one caveat. May he die in,Hellfire, or possibly Soulfire.

This is hysterical nonsense

Acording to many major religions dogs and other animals dont have souls...

And the religions that do treat dogs and animals as important spiritual elements dont believe in hell.

A lot of you high and mighty folks need to get over yourselves and take a look in a mirror or at least a look around you and see if you are living a pious enough lifestyle to wish ill will upon someone.

im not going to rehash the same argument ive had 100 times ill just make it quick

Killing animals for fun whether dogfighting or hunting is a what and a what, i dont care what you say to rationalize it about being legal im sure if the dog and the moose could speak the would say the same thing.

Dogs are not humans, the only reason why they are "loyal" is because they have pack mentalities and have been bred to be domesticated would be loyal to anyone who took care of them. They dont cure diseases, they dont build houses, they dont pay taxes and they DONT HAVE SOULS!

You may not live in America, but this is the land of second chances, especially if you are economically bankable. And as backwards as it may be (I know this well because i am a Teacher who hasnt had a raise in 4 years) economics not altruism guides the amount you get paid.

So yes Vick, Charlie Sheen, Hugh Grant, Dany Heatly, Mel Gibson, R. Kelly, Micheal Jackson, Woody Allen, Robert Downy Jr, Barrack Obama, George Bush- and his wife who killed a guy! ALL GET SECOND CHANCES! Much like most Americans, its just that some second chances involve millions of dollars and some dont

Sorry for dbl post, finally somebody with some sense.

 

[Zydrate]

Dogs are not humans, the only reason why they are "loyal" is because they have pack mentalities and have been bred to be domesticated would be loyal to anyone who took care of them. They dont cure diseases, they dont build houses, they dont pay taxes and they DONT HAVE SOULS!

I agreed with everything here except the no souls part.
I'm still an atheist but I've seen intelligence in some pet's eyes. They're not empty in there.