The Fast Track To Internet Infamy

[NuclearKangaroo]

1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.

and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,

WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.

because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races

Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia

"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa

 

[thundra]

1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.

and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,

WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.

because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races

Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia

"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa

Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.

and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,

WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.

because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races

Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia

"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa

Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work

you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

That. Doesn't. Work. Doing so is to essentially pretend that racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc don't exist or have any influence. Prejudice doesn't go away when going unchallenged, it spreads. Here's just one of many studies that show that the "I don't see 'x'" approach doesn't work.

http://www.timwise.org/2010/09/new-study-colorblindness-reduces-kids-ability-to-see-challenge-racism/

Pretending that the building isn't on fire doesn't put out the fire.

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society,

It will only "eventually" die off if we don't pretend that it doesn't exist.

dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa

Who is putting up barriers? Who is saying that anybody is any more or less human because of their sexual orientation?

again, i present you the living example that is my country

when you say the opinion of someone isnt valid because they are straight white male, you are putting barriers

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/826/169/f25.png

 

[thundra]

1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.

and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,

WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.

because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races

Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia

"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa

Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work

you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

You are so UGH!!!

i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

Please provide examples to demonstrate this point - preferably in the form of quotes and references.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/680/f88.png

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/674/bb0.png

and this

http://gamergateharrassment.tumblr.com/

really this whole gamergate debacle is full of the stuff, either white males being insulted

or minorities being insulted for saying not everyone agaisnt corrupt game journalism is a white straight male

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/907/0ec.png

and you think this happened overnight? no, its the narrative that was build around white straight males, you cannot combat discrimination with discrimination, you have to break the cycle and just stop caring about someones race

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.

and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,

WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.

because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races

Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia

"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa

Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work

you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

You are so UGH!!!

i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.

are you implying the race of a person is a problem? because thats the only think im asking you to ignore

i have said many times, condemn hate and intolerance, but stop making the race of someone such a big deal

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.

and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,

WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.

because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races

Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia

"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa

Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work

you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

You are so UGH!!!

i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.

are you implying the race of a person is a problem? because thats the only think im asking you to ignore

i have said many times, condemn hate and intolerance, but stop making the race of someone such a big deal

That is not what I'm implying and you know it.

well that IS the only thing im asking you to ignore, i never said you should ignore hate crimes, i actually said the opposite

 

[thundra]

1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.

and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,

WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.

because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races

Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia

"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa

Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work

you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

You are so UGH!!!

i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.

are you implying the race of a person is a problem? because thats the only think im asking you to ignore

i have said many times, condemn hate and intolerance, but stop making the race of someone such a big deal

That is not what I'm implying and you know it.

well that IS the only thing im asking you to ignore, i never said you should ignore hate crimes, i actually said the opposite

Yes you are you are saying if we ignore biggotry it goes away by magic. Here is little hint it doesn't

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

Please provide examples to demonstrate this point - preferably in the form of quotes and references.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/680/f88.png

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/674/bb0.png

and this

http://gamergateharrassment.tumblr.com/

really this whole gamergate debacle is full of the stuff, either white males being insulted

or minorities being insulted for saying not everyone agaisnt corrupt game journalism is a white straight male

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/907/0ec.png

and you think this happened overnight? no, its the narrative that was build around white straight males, you cannot combat discrimination with discrimination, you have to break the cycle and just stop caring about someones race

Wait, you are arguing white men are discriminated against, but one of your examples contains two white men arguing and regarding the latter of the three images, you discuss minorities being discriminated against? How do you hold it true that both the white majority and non-white minorities are discriminated against? Who has the upper hand if both parties are set back?

What exactly is your argument?

id really like to know what this people think as well, most people insulting white people seem to be white as well, atleast as far as gamergate goes

and when you are a minority and dont site with these people, well they discriminate you too

and id be inclined to say that no party has the upper hand, which makes these movement even dumber

my argument is, discriminating someone for being white/male/straight, is no better than discriminating someone for being black/female/homosexual

hate is hate

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.

and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,

WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.

because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races

Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia

"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa

Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work

you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

You are so UGH!!!

i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.

are you implying the race of a person is a problem? because thats the only think im asking you to ignore

i have said many times, condemn hate and intolerance, but stop making the race of someone such a big deal

That is not what I'm implying and you know it.

well that IS the only thing im asking you to ignore, i never said you should ignore hate crimes, i actually said the opposite

Yes you are you are saying if we ignore biggotry it goes away by magic. Here is little hint it doesn't

so race=biggotry?

for the 3rd time, ignore R-A-C-E, dont ignore hate, is it that hard to understand?

hell thats one of the reasons why you can make a racism joke over here and noone really cares, because they ignore any weight the race of someone can have and are aware you dont hate

 

[thundra]

1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.

and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,

WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.

because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races

Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia

"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa

Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work

you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

You are so UGH!!!

i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.

are you implying the race of a person is a problem? because thats the only think im asking you to ignore

i have said many times, condemn hate and intolerance, but stop making the race of someone such a big deal

That is not what I'm implying and you know it.

well that IS the only thing im asking you to ignore, i never said you should ignore hate crimes, i actually said the opposite

Yes you are you are saying if we ignore biggotry it goes away by magic. Here is little hint it doesn't

so race=biggotry?

for the 3rd time, ignore R-A-C-E, dont ignore hate, is it that hard to understand?

Thats not what i said at all and you fucking know it

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

Please provide examples to demonstrate this point - preferably in the form of quotes and references.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/680/f88.png

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/674/bb0.png

and this

http://gamergateharrassment.tumblr.com/

really this whole gamergate debacle is full of the stuff, either white males being insulted

or minorities being insulted for saying not everyone agaisnt corrupt game journalism is a white straight male

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/907/0ec.png

and you think this happened overnight? no, its the narrative that was build around white straight males, you cannot combat discrimination with discrimination, you have to break the cycle and just stop caring about someones race

Wait, you are arguing white men are discriminated against, but one of your examples contains two white men arguing and regarding the latter of the three images, you discuss minorities being discriminated against? How do you hold it true that both the white majority and non-white minorities are discriminated against? Who has the upper hand if both parties are set back?

What exactly is your argument?

id really like to know what this people think as well, most people insulting white people seem to be white as well, atleast as far as gamergate goes

and when you are a minority and dont site with these people, well they discriminate you too

and id be inclined to say that no party has the upper hand, which makes these movement even dumber

my argument is, discriminating someone for being white/male/straight, is no better than discriminating someone for being black/female/homosexual

hate is hate

Your argument makes no sense. You say that various groups are suffering, but that no one is on top. How can equal groups discriminate effectively if they are, by definition, matched? Your argument amounts to saying 1:2 is less than 2:4.

hate is not a zero sum equation

thats why i never argued this movement aims to opress white people, i honestly believe thats not the case, what i do feel is that it is misguided, and it only serves to give race more undeserving importance

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

Thats not what i said at all and you fucking know it

no, i honestly dont know it, because i keep talking about race and you keep talking about biggotry as if both terms were inseparable

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

again, i present you the living example that is my country

You mean Venezuela, a country that was formed on the genocide and exodus of white inhabitants?

Funnily enough, Venezuela recently banned racial discrimination on a national level. Now why would they need to do that if there is no racism? Wouldn't, by your logic, banning discrimination on the basis of race only create racism?

my country has also banned "bellic" video games from being sold or manufactured over here, they accused recent student protests of being neo-nazi and banned certain webpages

this government will do anything to appear to be the good guy, dont try to judge the people of venezuela based on the piece of shit government we are stuck with

also, what the fuck are you talking about the genocide and exodus of white inhabitants? the leader of our war of independence, the person which we (rather unfortunately) basically workship like a god and call him "the liebrator" was white

now first you pretended to know more about non-whites than a non-white, and now you pretend to know more about venezuela than a venezuelan, i must say im starting to feel kind of insulted

when you say the opinion of someone isnt valid because they are straight white male, you are putting barriers

I'm not saying their opinion isn't valid because they're straight, white and male, I'm saying that their opinion is invalid because it has no logical basis. "I don't see it so its not happening" is fallacious as is, nevermind when there's mountains of evidence to support the contrary. Just ignoring didn't work at any time in the past in any North American or European nation, and if that managed to work for your shining city on a hilltop Venezuela (hint: it didn't) then awesome, but it doesn't work elsewhere.

im not asking you to ignore discrimination, im asking you to not discriminate yourself, for the last time, ignore race, race is completely unimportant

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

thats why i never argued this movement aims to opress white people

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

I don't believe you are making any kind of genuine argument. There's no point in this.

opression implies someone is the opressor, and i dont think this is some way for minorities to get some power or anything silly like that

its just some people trying to find a culprit for their injustices and the injustices of others, is a very simplistic way to see things in my opinion, to blame it all to a group of people, to say one is inherently guilty of something completely outside of one's control

and its easier to rally people for a cause when you create an enemy

 

[Vault101]

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

ok here's two things

1. we do not live in the same universe as the movie "Rmember the Titans" racism (along with the other isms) doesn't just go away if [I/]"yall would stop bee'in racist to each other and be nice"[/I] its more complicated than that, there is nuance and it doesn't always stroke white peoples egos

2. the world does not revolve around you (or more tot he point straight white males) the fact that any criticism at all is often met with "YOUR MAKING ME FEEL BAD" indicates a self cantered outlook

you don't get to have it both ways, you don't get to be progressive while ignoring the fact that a demographic you might belong too has had some pretty dodgy ass attitudes <-that doesn't mean you have to feel bad, feeling bad isn't the same as acknowledging something, if someone's first reaction to someone criticising a thing they like to talk about how it makes them feel bad then they need to grow the fuck up and actually listen

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly

ok here's two things

1. we do not live in the same universe as the movie "Rmember the Titans" racism (along with the other isms) doesn't just go away if [I/]"yall would stop bee'in racist to each other and be nice"[/I] its more complicated than that, there is nuance and it doesn't always stroke white peoples egos

look from where im standing, reciprocating discrimination only makes things more complicated

if you see a hate crime, by all means condemn it, but blame it on the person how commited the crime, not the race, stop, thinking, about, the race

2. the world does not revolve around you (or more tot he point straight white males) the fact that any criticism at all is often met with "YOUR MAKING ME FEEL BAD" indicates a self cantered outlook

you don't get to have it both ways, you don't get to be progressive while ignoring the fact that a demographic you might belong too has had some pretty dodgy ass attitudes <-that doesn't mean you have to feel bad, feeling bad isn't the same as acknowledging something, if someone's first reaction to someone criticising a thing they like to talk about how it makes them feel bad then they need to grow the fuck up and actually listen

im not white, im just tired of seeing white people being insulted, tired of people speaking for me and telling me why i should feel oppressed by people that have done no harm to me

people should simply ignore the race of a person, because it seriously has near 0 importance, just concentrate on the person

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

im not asking you to ignore discrimination, im asking you to not discriminate yourself, for the last time, ignore race, race is completely unimportant

Okay, I'm tired, so I'llmakethis short.

Nobody is discriminating against white people by saying that they're benefitted from societal biases based on their race. Same goes for straight people. Same goes for men. Same goes for people without disabilities. Same goes for people who are natives.

Perhaps you're just misusing the word "discrimination" incorrectly. Wikipedia hasyou covered.

"Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice. This includes treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".[1] It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discrimination

"treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit"

building a narrative about how the white people have it so much better is discrimination in my opinion, it creates this feeling that, when something bad happens to a white person, people often think/say "bah, he can suck it up, there are races that have it worse" or worse "he deserved it"

yes ive seen people, some of which call themselves feminists, dismiss male rape, i mean, holy crap thats horrible

 

[Vault101]

look from where im standing, reciprocating discrimination only makes things more complicated

if you see a hate crime, by all means condemn it, but blame it on the person how commited the crime, not the race, stop, thinking, about, the race

no one is reciprocating discrimination


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im not white, im just tired of seeing white people being insulted, tired of people speaking for me and telling me why i should feel oppressed by people that have done no harm to me[/quote]
it depends how you define "insulted"

[quote/]people should simply ignore the race of a person, because it seriously has near 0 importance, just concentrate on the person[/quote]
but it does matter, alongside so many other factors what race you are will color your outlook

does my opinion on how Black woman feel in todays society have as much weight as an "actual" black woman? no...it will not because I have not experienced what it is to be a black woman