The misinterpretation of evolution

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Delsana said:
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Well the bible says that on a particular day He created man and than woman out of man.

There's really nothing to interpret out of that.

So... creationism.

Alrighty then.

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Outside of that... when you can find the missing mitochondria eve then we will chat about EVOLUTION, but until then I'm not giving it a thought.
I really don't mean to get into a huge discussion about this (unless you want to take this to a PM), but how is the bible proof? It's basically the same as saying your friend told you: anecdotal evidence that holds no water.

I know you believe it, and that's fine for you and anyone else who does, but can you at least see how others would not?

Also, I am unfamiliar with the whole thing with the missing mitochondria. What is that?
The LINK so to speak is the thing evolution misses the chain that links any animal to the plausible Human DNA chain.

Similarities exist, as they do in every species but there is no link to us and scientists are throwing everything trying to find it (hence why they want to map the entire DNA sequence which would take massive massive datapower) but without it they are just a THEORY.

If I say the dog came from wolf hybridization but I cannot find any static link that shows that it did indeed come from it then I cannot be right.

If I find a chain and say that it links to a ball but the ball has no loose chain that broke then I am wrong.

YOU NEED THE MISSING LINK and without it you are wrong.
Every single "stage" if you want to call it that, (it's really not a stage, just a point in time) is a "missing link" There is no "this turns into this", it's a constant change due to selection pressure.
Incorrect, every scientist has admitted that the missing link is the focus and that one definitely exists... we can track back our DNA and genome through analysis (which we haven't perfected based on processing power) but we can not find how we came from primeapes or anything else on this planet... because the missing link is not there...

But no scientist will agree a missing link doesn't exist... DNA IS THE CHAIN and every chain binds to another that causes a link.
http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/B004AYCWY4/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1314495410&sr=1-1

See, the thing is, scientists FOUND "the missing link" decades ago, and they've found many more since. Every time they find one creationists basically say "now there are twice as many missing links as there were before!!!"
 

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MITOCHONDRIAL LINK TO EVE

You need that or you can't prove evolution and EVERY SINGLE SCIENTIST will admit they don't know what that link is...
I'm not sure I completely understand what you are referencing here. Are you talking about the DNA (or RNA I forget which) contained within Mitochondria that would connect to Eve?
Also is Eve counted as the full blown person or just a representation of our earliest ancestors?
 

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Outside of that... when you can find the missing mitochondria eve then we will chat about EVOLUTION, but until then I'm not giving it a thought.
I'm sorry, but this is simply irrational. You're horribly abusing the concept. The concept is that all modern humans share a common female ancestor; as we discovered this (well, geneticists; paleontologists generally don't care) we call her Mitochondrial Eve. However, that's not the same thing as saying that she was the first human, or the only human female--in all probability, she was a random human female that was born well after the species arose, and was part of a tribe of humans, male and female. Population genetics being what it is, her mitochondrial DNA could have then dispursed among all the humans over time.

This does NOT mean that we need to find Mitochondrial Eve to prove evolution. In fact, the only way our study would exist to prove her existence is if evolution were true--and by that I mean the methods themselves would fail, they would produce contradictory results and would be uninterpretable if evolution were wrong. They wouldn't give us a wrong answer, we'd have NO answer!

This also doesn't mean that we'd even recognize this human if we found her. In all probability there was absolutely nothing special about this woman. In her time, she'd have been a random person, indistinguishable as the last shared ancestor of the human species. We may already have found her and NOT EVEN KNOW IT. There'd be NO morphological distinction, particularly not skeletal morphology!

As for every single scientist admitting they don't know who Mitochondrial Eve is, that's because WE DON'T CARE. Evolution was proven well before modern genetics arose (seriously, Francis Crick is still running his mouth, and evolution was accepted by the scientific community as at least of equal validity to any other theory running around at the time prior to Darwin's death). We don't NEED Mitochondrial eve. We have so much other evidence that it takes a very large amount of denial to hold Eve up as The One True Line of Evidence.

Intelligent design is a form of creationism, and is less hardcore than the belief that God created the world in exactly 7 days.
Intelligent Design is the belief that something, somehow, created life. That's it. Some versions say it was a short time ago (a few thousand years), some a long time ago; some say it was gods, some aliens. What unites them all is a complete lack of any evidence for their Creator other than biology, and a complete unwillingness to discuss the methods their Creator used.

I believe in evolution. Pretty sure that makes it a belief.
This is an old symantics debate, and more or less without value in these discussions. The point is that evolution has been demonstrated so well that there's no reasonable justification for disagreeing with the theory--upon serious, thorough review of the evidence, the only rational conclusion is that organisms have evolved. Upon cursory review of any individual LINE of evidence (geology, paleontology, biology, genetics, etc) the only rational conclusion is that evolution occurred. Whether you call this a belief or not is irrelevant--the important part is that it's verifiable.
 

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Is it because of the rise of Creationism and Intelligent design (which are the same exact thing)
Are they? If I were you, I'd make sure before making such statements as to avoid coming across as ignorant as those I'm condemning. Just saying.
 

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kouriichi said:
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Let me wrap this whole thing up in burritos. (thats right, im gunna wrap it like a burrito, with burritos.)

Sheep are Stupid.
Sheep are part of a flock. ((Unless theyre black sheep. Then its a Murder of Sheep))
The sheep will listen to whatever the dogs bark loudest. This is learned from an early age, because of the sheep doesnt listen, they get bit.
The dogs like to keep order, and control the flock ((or murder)) of sheep. So they bark loudly.

Now if you didnt get that analogy, let me explain it.

People are stupid.
People are part of religions. ((Unless theyre black sheep. Then its Atheism))
The people will listen to whatever their leaders/parents/priests ideas are. This is learned from an early age, because of the person doesnt listen, they get punished.
The leaders/parents/priests like to keep order, and control the people. So they force their ideas.

Roughly 50% of Americans dont believe in evolution.
Roughly 76% of Americans identify themselves as christian.
Christians are told from an early age, "God made man".
Because they are "brainwashed" (for lack of a better term) to believe what is RIGHT and WRONG, they never read in depth "theories" like Evolution.
Yes, this means many Christians are able to see past their "brainwashing" (again, for lack of a better term), but it also means many are blind, and dont WANT to see past it.

See how it all fits together? Most people who dont believe in evolution, are Christians. Anyone else is well.... an idiot. (Not in the insulting way. I mean "uneducated". And not in a bad way)
Because the large majority of people were told from childhood, "God is always right, never question him, he made the world and everyone on it", they dont believe in evolution.

Im not saying religion is bad. But there is a pretty large correlation between Religion, and the halt of scientific progress.

Please note: I am not saying anyone else has to believe this. This is just my belief. This is MY take on the situation and reason behind evolution being such a misinterpreted subject. If i offended you, sorry. It was not my intention.
So your belief is that Evolution is obviously the "intelligent" side.

Interesting, though I know numerous intelligent Christians that are far more capable than either of us and they wholeheartedly explain, and defend Creationism.
No, evolution isnt so much the "intelligent" side, as it is the "knowledgeable" side.
((I know people who you would call "intelligent", but they cant even change a flat tire))

And personally, i believe in creationism. But the thing is, Evolution is a fact. Why do you think the common cold is such a problem? Because its constantly evolving. Its always changing its form c. We can never cure it, because of its rapid evolution.

Or the experiment of increasing the lifespan of a fly. http://livelonger.hubpages.com/hub/Longevity_and_Genetics

Evolution is one of the few things we can actively PROVE. xD
It is very naive, immature, juvenile, and "unknowledgable", for you to believe you know who "I would call intelligent".

Again I state they are more capable than EITHER OF US (and I have a high capability) and that includes changing tires, but they are smart, intelligent, and wise, far be it for both of us.

The ability to adapt to environments is a written code within us based on outlying factors, EVOLVING is an entirely different concept.

It should be stated though that until you can find the missing mitochondrial eve link for evolution you can't prove ANYTHING, and everyone knows that.
Lol.
This is what i hate about topics like this. One person you meet devolves into insults and semantics.

And we can prove evolution.
Its as simple as looking at the human races, spread out across the planet. We all have different skin color. Why? Because certain skin colors are more favorable in different environments. Humans werent just made all different colors.

Hell, you can see evolution in a hospital. By looking and babies and their parents. A baby wont be an exact copy of 1 of the parents. But a combination of the two, gaining traits from both parents.

What about all the different viruses and diseases. Did they all just EXIST from the beginning of time? How do we keep getting sick if they never evolve to bypass our immune system?

xD the idea that Evolution NEVER happened/happens is a laugh.
You just used so many inaccuracies...

You forget that those are merely adaptations based on our current genetic instruction manual and capability of our body (DNA).

They are not evolutions they are the result of combinations and randomizations based on the male and female input of DNA through sperm and seed that result in that and those are based on the adaptations and modifications that the body gave as protection or advantage throughout their entire family lines.

Skin darkens based on light absorbance and focus... over time it becomes darker, they move, maintain the same skin, but it becomes lighter for some and slowly begins to change back to those that are not in the sunlight that often.

The same for numerous situations... appearance is based on randomization based on those two input factors.

You are arguing semantics based on something you have mis-defined.
 

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This thread is a perfect example of why I have a hard time believing in evolution- most of you can't even agree on what we're supposed to believe!

I was raised as a Christian and still believe all that stuff but I've seen more and more evidence that points to evolution being something that may have happened. One thing I've never understood is why people don't believe God could have guided evolution; or at least played a part in it.
The main argument is nothing supports him creating anything. It's the same as saying the reason why stars die is because magical orges from mars eat them as snacks (and btw you can't see them with the human eye). Its not disprovable (I hope) but it doesn't mean you should believe in it.
 

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"That's right, around 50% of the population of the United States does not believe in evolution, and that is sad"

Who put you on such a high horse? You know what? Your saying its sad that people don't believe in what you do, and that is sad. Seriously most people don't give a shit about Human evolution so deal with it. Why do people who strongly believe in Evolution have to be such dick heads? Sorry we can't all be like you.
I guess you don't know how to quote, but I'll respond anyway. This isn't just about evolution, its a group problem. The same people who don't believe in Evolution also don't believe in global climate change, thats a problem. They also believe many untrue things, like Obama is a radical, socialist, facist, muslim, terrorist, who is the reincarnation of the aniticrist. That is not coincidence. The same reason why there are misconceptions about evolution is why there are misconceptions about every important subject.
And yes, it is sad. That 50% of America does not believe in something that over 80% of most European countries believe in is sad. That China almost has as many people who believe in evolution is sad. The problem is not that they share my beliefs, its that they are ignorant of all of the information out there.
The main reasons I think this is true is because a) East Asia have a different concept of religion than us and aren't really "devout", and b) the Catholic church supports "evolutionary creationism", which says God made evolution happen.
 

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There is no reasone why Creationism nor evolution can be taught simulataneously.
No. That's ridiculous, and no one who makes that argument actually believes it themselves if they give it a moment of thought.

Should the flat earth 'theory' be taught next to the heliocentric model? No, it shouldn't. Creationism can't be taught next to evolution for the same reason; education is to teach children facts, not to introduce a flurry of every moron's thoughts on what might be and letting them decide what they think is true.

Honestly, creationism (intelligent design is just creationism rebranded) is even less qualified to be taught in a science class than geocentrism. At least the geocentric model makes testable predictions, and as such -can- be science. Creationism makes no testable, falsifiable predictions, and therefore cannot be science by definition.
 

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I've noticed a lot of people think that humanity will grow wings, or get some super power as a part of evolution.

That just isn't how it works. I'm going to use human migration as an example.

As we all know, humanity started out in Africa, the ancestors migrated as much as they could for various reasons. Food, competition, the weather.

Fact of the matter is, the ancestors that traveled to places like Europe, evolved whiter skin. Because of the generally gloomy climate in Europe. It's nowhere near as extreme as Africa's. It's also been proven that the European ancestors noses got a lot smaller. This was to protect their brains from the cold air. White people also generally get a lot more body hair, for warmth. While the ancestors that stayed in the heat of Africa, had no need to have their noses altered. Or masses of chest hair. Their brains needed a surplus of cool air. And they couldn't afford to trap more heat in their hair.

Evolution is not random, it's carefully chosen over thousands of years. This also proves a point, that humans evolve differently to one another.

For example, a white Scandinavian is clearly visibly different to a black aborigine. The white man has evolved to be perfectly adapted (Or as adapted as we've gotten in the small space of time we've been in Europe) to his surroundings. While the black man is perfectly evolved to his surroundings. The aborigine can go longer without water, food. And can bare the intense heat for much, much longer than the white man. Fact is, if you switched their positions, they'd be next to useless in the wilderness.

So what I'm saying is, evolution isn't as random as you think. It's based on parameters. If many generations are exposed to gamma radiation, you will evolve a resistance to it. If many generations are exposed to a high altitude, you will evolve a tolerance for it. That's how it works. And Humanity has never evolved at the same time. We are all different.

In millions of years, our physical appearance will change dramatically, we may not even be the same species we are today. We may not even recognize ourselves. Because we are constantly changing into things that can better survive our environment. And because we're changing our environment constantly with new technology, evolution had better hurry up.
 

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kouriichi said:
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I believe we were created by something beyond our comprehension.

I could call it "god" just as much as i could call it "fate", "luck", "metaphysical-aliens", or "The flying spaghetti monster".

The chances of our planet being in perfect distance of the sun to have constant liquid water on the surface, have life develop on it from thoughtless chains of atoms, to develop the perfect oxygen atmosphere and then on top of that, for us to NOT be destroyed by one of the countless (literally countless) meteors hurling through space is beyond the realm of "just happening".

And Creationism isnt the belief it happened in a matter of days. Its just that a supernatural being started it. And yes, "evolution" did most of the work after the foundation was laid.
Life gets wiped out pretty commonly on earth, and it's 'perfect oxygen levels' haven't always been here, only after a major extinction. The point is that the earth isn't and wasn't made for our perfect standards. It's literally a coincidence that the conditions were right for life to begin and adapt to the constant hazards. Do you really think that in the universe, with countless galaxies, unthinkable amounts of stars and mind-boggling amounts of planets that there wouldn't be at least one planet with the right requirements for life to evolve from nothing more than a chain of acids?
Lol. I mean for us to exist.
Yes, its all scientifically explainable.
But that doesnt make it anyless random. What are the chances we, HUMANS sit here to day?
The chances of life existing on a planet alone are so astronomical its not even worth knowing.

Its not that it all happened. Its that it all happened perfectly, for us to exist. If the planet were 10 degrees hotter when the protoplasmic creatures were first forming, we might not even exist. The evolution of them could be so radically different we wouldnt even resemble humans.

The "coincidence" of it all happening one after another after another for billions of years is what makes it so..... unbelievable. That everything is happened the way it should for us to be here now.
Yes, it's VERY unlikely and random. But that doesn't prove the existence of a god. Hell, for that matter, the odds are hugely against it if you pick one planet in particular for life to evolve on, but when you consider how many trillions upon trillions of planets there are, statistically, it had to happen SOMEWHERE. It just happened to be here and make us.
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The one exception of course being a religion class that teaches religion from an outside point of view. It would be rather hard to teach what's in the Bible without going through Genesis.
Thats RE Religious Education, however I think the name as been attack by the PC brigade and been changed to FE Faith and Ethics for both PC reason and for a more accurate name in some cases.
I don't get that. How is Religious Education not PC?
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Well the bible says that on a particular day He created man and than woman out of man.

There's really nothing to interpret out of that.

So... creationism.

Alrighty then.

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Outside of that... when you can find the missing mitochondria eve then we will chat about EVOLUTION, but until then I'm not giving it a thought.
I really don't mean to get into a huge discussion about this (unless you want to take this to a PM), but how is the bible proof? It's basically the same as saying your friend told you: anecdotal evidence that holds no water.

I know you believe it, and that's fine for you and anyone else who does, but can you at least see how others would not?

Also, I am unfamiliar with the whole thing with the missing mitochondria. What is that?
The LINK so to speak is the thing evolution misses the chain that links any animal to the plausible Human DNA chain.

Similarities exist, as they do in every species but there is no link to us and scientists are throwing everything trying to find it (hence why they want to map the entire DNA sequence which would take massive massive datapower) but without it they are just a THEORY.

If I say the dog came from wolf hybridization but I cannot find any static link that shows that it did indeed come from it then I cannot be right.

If I find a chain and say that it links to a ball but the ball has no loose chain that broke then I am wrong.

YOU NEED THE MISSING LINK and without it you are wrong.
Every single "stage" if you want to call it that, (it's really not a stage, just a point in time) is a "missing link" There is no "this turns into this", it's a constant change due to selection pressure.
Incorrect, every scientist has admitted that the missing link is the focus and that one definitely exists... we can track back our DNA and genome through analysis (which we haven't perfected based on processing power) but we can not find how we came from primeapes or anything else on this planet... because the missing link is not there...

But no scientist will agree a missing link doesn't exist... DNA IS THE CHAIN and every chain binds to another that causes a link.
Source, please?
 

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Hides His Eyes said:
Delsana said:
Abengoshis said:
Delsana said:
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Delsana said:
Well the bible says that on a particular day He created man and than woman out of man.

There's really nothing to interpret out of that.

So... creationism.

Alrighty then.

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Outside of that... when you can find the missing mitochondria eve then we will chat about EVOLUTION, but until then I'm not giving it a thought.
I really don't mean to get into a huge discussion about this (unless you want to take this to a PM), but how is the bible proof? It's basically the same as saying your friend told you: anecdotal evidence that holds no water.

I know you believe it, and that's fine for you and anyone else who does, but can you at least see how others would not?

Also, I am unfamiliar with the whole thing with the missing mitochondria. What is that?
The LINK so to speak is the thing evolution misses the chain that links any animal to the plausible Human DNA chain.

Similarities exist, as they do in every species but there is no link to us and scientists are throwing everything trying to find it (hence why they want to map the entire DNA sequence which would take massive massive datapower) but without it they are just a THEORY.

If I say the dog came from wolf hybridization but I cannot find any static link that shows that it did indeed come from it then I cannot be right.

If I find a chain and say that it links to a ball but the ball has no loose chain that broke then I am wrong.

YOU NEED THE MISSING LINK and without it you are wrong.
Every single "stage" if you want to call it that, (it's really not a stage, just a point in time) is a "missing link" There is no "this turns into this", it's a constant change due to selection pressure.
Incorrect, every scientist has admitted that the missing link is the focus and that one definitely exists... we can track back our DNA and genome through analysis (which we haven't perfected based on processing power) but we can not find how we came from primeapes or anything else on this planet... because the missing link is not there...

But no scientist will agree a missing link doesn't exist... DNA IS THE CHAIN and every chain binds to another that causes a link.
http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/B004AYCWY4/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1314495410&sr=1-1

See, the thing is, scientists FOUND "the missing link" decades ago, and they've found many more since. Every time they find one creationists basically say "now there are twice as many missing links as there were before!!!"
Incorrect, theories and plausibility were found, but no concrete link that links Human to ape in a chain that isn't corrupted.

Go ask a scientist if it's undeniable...
 

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The fundamental problem is that people fail to understand that evolution and abiogenesis are different. That's all there really is to say... anything else would just be tautologies so that I don't get warned for low content.
 

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I am a Catholic, but I still know that evolution exists, and I agree that it is appalling that most people don't don't know about it. However, I do not think everyone should be forced to believe in evolution, if people don't want to, why make them? Intelligent design is still a possible theory, as is the theory of evolution, I think God guided evolution but, I'm not going to go around and try and make people teach this in schools everywhere.
well no one is forced to believe in evolution. It's taught in school because it's an integral part of the field of biology, ie to explain why creatures are the way they are.
 

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kouriichi said:
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Let me wrap this whole thing up in burritos. (thats right, im gunna wrap it like a burrito, with burritos.)

Sheep are Stupid.
Sheep are part of a flock. ((Unless theyre black sheep. Then its a Murder of Sheep))
The sheep will listen to whatever the dogs bark loudest. This is learned from an early age, because of the sheep doesnt listen, they get bit.
The dogs like to keep order, and control the flock ((or murder)) of sheep. So they bark loudly.

Now if you didnt get that analogy, let me explain it.

People are stupid.
People are part of religions. ((Unless theyre black sheep. Then its Atheism))
The people will listen to whatever their leaders/parents/priests ideas are. This is learned from an early age, because of the person doesnt listen, they get punished.
The leaders/parents/priests like to keep order, and control the people. So they force their ideas.

Roughly 50% of Americans dont believe in evolution.
Roughly 76% of Americans identify themselves as christian.
Christians are told from an early age, "God made man".
Because they are "brainwashed" (for lack of a better term) to believe what is RIGHT and WRONG, they never read in depth "theories" like Evolution.
Yes, this means many Christians are able to see past their "brainwashing" (again, for lack of a better term), but it also means many are blind, and dont WANT to see past it.

See how it all fits together? Most people who dont believe in evolution, are Christians. Anyone else is well.... an idiot. (Not in the insulting way. I mean "uneducated". And not in a bad way)
Because the large majority of people were told from childhood, "God is always right, never question him, he made the world and everyone on it", they dont believe in evolution.

Im not saying religion is bad. But there is a pretty large correlation between Religion, and the halt of scientific progress.

Please note: I am not saying anyone else has to believe this. This is just my belief. This is MY take on the situation and reason behind evolution being such a misinterpreted subject. If i offended you, sorry. It was not my intention.
So your belief is that Evolution is obviously the "intelligent" side.

Interesting, though I know numerous intelligent Christians that are far more capable than either of us and they wholeheartedly explain, and defend Creationism.
No, evolution isnt so much the "intelligent" side, as it is the "knowledgeable" side.
((I know people who you would call "intelligent", but they cant even change a flat tire))

And personally, i believe in creationism. But the thing is, Evolution is a fact. Why do you think the common cold is such a problem? Because its constantly evolving. Its always changing its form c. We can never cure it, because of its rapid evolution.

Or the experiment of increasing the lifespan of a fly. http://livelonger.hubpages.com/hub/Longevity_and_Genetics

Evolution is one of the few things we can actively PROVE. xD
So do you think that God created the entire universe within a matter of days, including all life, or do you hold a more intelligent design belief with God creating the universe but evolution doing most of the "work"?
Not really "god".
I believe we were created by something beyond our comprehension.

I could call it "god" just as much as i could call it "fate", "luck", "metaphysical-aliens", or "The flying spaghetti monster".

The chances of our planet being in perfect distance of the sun to have constant liquid water on the surface, have life develop on it from thoughtless chains of atoms, to develop the perfect oxygen atmosphere and then on top of that, for us to NOT be destroyed by one of the countless (literally countless) meteors hurling through space is beyond the realm of "just happening".

And Creationism isnt the belief it happened in a matter of days. Its just that a supernatural being started it. And yes, "evolution" did most of the work after the foundation was laid.
Thinking that is fine, I have no objections to that. This is mostly because evolution starts after the creation of life. Therefore Creationism has free reign over that area. However, that still doesn't make Creationism a science and thats the big point.
 

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Cpu46 said:
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Further nitpick on your nitpick: if it can't be tested or observed, it isn't even a hypothesis. Maybe 'assertion' or 'idea' is closer to the mark. I usually prefer 'thinly veiled religious extremism' to describe ID.
Yea, I know. Someone already pointed that out to me.
Sorry about that. I didn't notice the previous reply.
We appear to be agreed that ID has approximately zero scientific validity. That's the important thing :)
 

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I am a Catholic, but I still know that evolution exists, and I agree that it is appalling that most people don't don't know about it. However, I do not think everyone should be forced to believe in evolution, if people don't want to, why make them? Intelligent design is still a possible theory, as is the theory of evolution, I think God guided evolution but, I'm not going to go around and try and make people teach this in schools everywhere.
Your comment illustrates everything that is the cause of the escalation of ignorance in this world. "Why should they not be made to learn?" Why shouldn't they? Because when people are not educated they cling to superstition. Why is this bad? Because all of our technology is the culmination of thousands of years of science, forged in the crucible of progress and forethought. When people are allowed to be ignorant, they cause others harm. In lacking a basic education, an individual reduces the potential for that individual to contribute to humanity's understanding of the world around them. We have seen what happens when nations choose ignorance over enlightenment. From the European Dark Ages, to the witch hunts of Salem, to the American Slave Trade, to civil rights, women's rights, and human rights, religious wars, nationalism, ethnic cleansing; all of these are to be blamed on ignorance.

I don't care about a person's religion, personal belief, or any of that. When you are uneducated you are a detriment to human progress. Evolution is not controversial. That boat sailed 40 years ago. It is only the obstinate and ignorant who cling to the idea that they have the right to drag down the rest of humanity. In this day and age of science, the "controversy" button is used to try to undermine advancement by those who would willingly keep humanity ignorant and backward. If humanity is to ever progress, this must end.

Oh and no offense, but "intelligent design" is complete crap. ID is nothing but creationism gussied up to look pretty. Not only have ID proponents be laughed out of academia but out of the courts as well.