Wait the who? What movies?And the Wachowski sisters never could have predicted that their sci-fi movie about coming out would be appropriated by an anti-feminist, anti-queer movement.
Wait the who? What movies?And the Wachowski sisters never could have predicted that their sci-fi movie about coming out would be appropriated by an anti-feminist, anti-queer movement.
The Matrix. The Wachowskis are trans women and wrote The Matrix as a coming out narrative. Which makes the whole "red pill" shit deeply ironic.Wait the who? What movies?
Case in point, women do things all the time in Final Fantasy, Bioshock, and Sonic, and nobody complains about that.Well, I've never heard anybody complain about the political themes in GTA, or Final Fantasy, or Bioshock, or Call of Duty, or Battlefield, or (to use your example) Sonic the Hedgehog.
But I've heard those complaints endlessly about games having gay characters, or women doing things.
Only some though.Well, I've never heard anybody complain about the political themes in GTA, or Final Fantasy, or Bioshock, or Call of Duty, or Battlefield, or (to use your example) Sonic the Hedgehog.
But I've heard those complaints endlessly about games having gay characters, or women doing things.
There's another thread going at the moment in which people are loudly complaining because a professional mercenary who happens to be a woman overpowered Nathan Drake in one scene.I mean the only game I can think of where people where confused about why those dirty dirty girls where in the clubhouse was Battlefield V.
What other games, had negative push back simply for featuring women just because they were women? The reason why I ask is because women have been in games (even as leading role) since the begining of video games. So there must have been some other thing around these complaints, if they exist.
No they didn't and the site that reported on that took quotes out of context. The Wachowskis actually said something like "Maybe on a subconscious level that impacted the writing but it wasn't a planned deliberate theme".The Matrix. The Wachowskis are trans women and wrote The Matrix as a coming out narrative. Which makes the whole "red pill" shit deeply ironic.
Kind of like how Hermione was always supposed to be black?The Matrix. The Wachowskis are trans women and wrote The Matrix as a coming out narrative. Which makes the whole "red pill" shit deeply ironic.
Nathan Drake AND his friend Sam in a 2v1.There's another thread going at the moment in which people are loudly complaining because a professional mercenary who happens to be a woman overpowered Nathan Drake in one scene.
Correction. Overpowers Nathan Drake and his brother at the same time with relative ease.There's another thread going at the moment in which people are loudly complaining because a professional mercenary who happens to be a woman overpowered Nathan Drake in one scene.
Women do things in Bioshock and Sonic which aren't considered to be doing things women apparently shouldn't be able to do, such as having muscles (Abby in TLOU2) or winning a fistfight (Nadine in Uncharted 4).Case in point, women do things all the time in Final Fantasy, Bioshock, and Sonic, and nobody complains about that.
Yeah, this side character in one of the expansion packs for GTA4 got away with it. It's not a 100%-of-the-time deal.Remember The Ballad of Gay Tony? That was in GTA IV and nobody complained about that.
Uhrm, yes, there was loads of whining about Life is Strange 1.Only some though.
Did people complain about the themes in Life is Strange 1?
Never heard of Robert Yang or any of his games until now. Examples which are small indie titles specifically targeted towards the LGBTQ community isn't really what we're talking about, though, is it?How about My Ex Boyfriend the Space Tyrant?
How about basically every game developer Robert Yang has ever made?
Again, yes, I remember complaints about gay romance options being in ME.How about Mass Effect 3, other than the small rural Church group who get mad at EA?
OK, yeah, it's totally unrealistic that a professional mercenary would be unable to overpower 2 visibly-exhausted amateur treasure-hunters after they've just climbed a building.Correction. Overpowers Nathan Drake and his brother at the same time with relative ease.
It's also kind of hilarious because I'm pretty sure my baby sister could take most of these complainers in a fight.OK, yeah, it's totally unrealistic that a professional mercenary would be unable to overpower 2 visibly-exhausted amateur treasure-hunters after they've just climbed a building.
So, the question you should be asking is "why isn't it a 100%-of-the-time deal"? That should lead you to the flaw in your argument.Yeah, this side character in one of the expansion packs for GTA4 got away with it. It's not a 100%-of-the-time deal.
How many fistfights has Tifa won? Amy killed a robot with a hammer. Where are the people complaining about that? And remember, I'm just sticking with your examples of games. I could bring up fighting games, in which men and women are, by necessity, equals, and point out the lack of outcry over that, but I won't.Women do things in Bioshock and Sonic which aren't considered to be doing things women apparently shouldn't be able to do, such as having muscles (Abby in TLOU2) or winning a fistfight (Nadine in Uncharted 4).
Well that is a different argument. They arent complaining that a woman is in the game in the first place, which is what you implied originally.There's another thread going at the moment in which people are loudly complaining because a professional mercenary who happens to be a woman overpowered Nathan Drake in one scene.
That is the premise of "Death of the Author," yes. Authorial intent is nice to know from an academic standpoint, but you cannot control how the world will react to a piece of art you release into the public. Mary Shelley almost certainly had no idea that her scary story she thought up during a vacation in Switzerland would end up inventing an entire new genre of fiction. Nor could her friend, Dr. John Polidori guess that his vampire story would shape the vampire myth in pop culture for centuries to come. And the Wachowski sisters never could have predicted that their sci-fi movie about coming out would be appropriated by an anti-feminist, anti-queer movement.
If someone interprets a political meaning they dont like within a piece of media, that doesnt invalidate their complaints about it. And i think that is part of the problem these days because it almost feels like you arent allowed to dislike things.Thank you. That's what I've been telling some of these people, but they just don't get it (or don't want to). People are always going to interpret things certain ways even when there was no attention to be interpreted that way and inject their own ideologies. For better or worse. Usually the latter.
You're allowed to like/dislike whatever you want, just don't be an ass about it. That is the main problem. Doesn't matter if you like something or dislike something. The additional main problem being that you have heavy extremists on both sides that want to act like they're the only ones in the right and everybody else is wrong or misguided. Everyone spends too much time screaming at each other and not listening.And i think that is part of the problem these days because it almost feels like you arent allowed to dislike things.
Yeah, don't be an ass by calling people bigots just because they don't like something.You're allowed to like/dislike whatever you want, just don't be an ass about it. That is the main problem.
"I understand perfectly. It's you who doesn't understand!"act like they're the only ones in the right and everybody else is wrong or misguided. Everyone spends too much time screaming at each other and not listening.
We could all go along way if we just agreed to disagree when arguments reached a stalemate.You're allowed to like/dislike whatever you want, just don't be an ass about it. That is the main problem. Doesn't matter if you like something or dislike something. The additional main problem being that you have heavy extremists on both sides that want to act like they're the only ones in the right and everybody else is wrong or misguided. Everyone spends too much time screaming at each other and not listening.
You can screw off with the self-righteousness. Follow your own advice and take a look at yourself in the mirror. Especially for someone that likes to derail threads, and ignore facts or truths in front of their faces. Or throws hissy fits when he gets called out on. So thank you for opening up about yourself.Yeah, don't be an ass by calling people bigots just because they don't like something.
"I understand perfectly. It's you who doesn't understand!"
You mean like that?