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Pokemon and 1984? Oh, well played, that's one nightmarish combination.

"Under the spreading Chesto tree, I sold you and you sold me."
 

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Chimichanga said:
Wait... wat.

Is Digimon even a thing any more? I recall that they had three good first seasons (the third being the best, imo) and then it went downhill for two more seasons, and then faded into obscurity. How could they possibly have that many?!

It's a madhouse I tell ya! A MAAAAAADHOOOUUUSE!
It's still going strong. Xros Wars (the sixth series, split into three seasons) was just recently released in the West as Digimon Fusion. There have been eleven movies (the latest having been in 2009), and Digimon World Re:Digitize Decode was released on 3DS in June.

The list of Digimon species [http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Digimon_species] on the wiki says there's 1,159 species currently. Of course, not all of them have been in the anime, instead being specific to the games, the manga or the TCG.
Johnny Novgorod said:
It's based on the order they make them up.
I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, but I was talking in-universe.

I remember being told back in my childhood that a Pokémon's place in the Pokédex was determined by order of discovery
 

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Due to 3 unused trademarks, Volcanion, Diancee and Hoopa, there's technically 721 Pokemon. if the rumor of 800 pokemon due to Serebii having placeholder images (though they might be honeypot images for Bots) that might in fact be something for Pokemon Z/XY2.

Dianshii - Unused, presumably westernized into Diancee.
Hariboogu - Quilladin
Gekogashira - Frogadier
Borukenion - Unused, but due to B's turning into V's and K's into C's, it's Volcanion. (ke-, in kenion is pronounced as KAY, hence the Canine in the english name)
Dedenne - Dedenne
Horubii -Bunnelby
Nyaonikusu - Meowstic
Burigaron - Chesnaught
Jigarude - Zygarde
Mafokushii - Delphox
Fuupa - an oddity, for some reason it's Hoopa...Fuu is usually used for Wind, maybe it's AZ's Floette?
Gekkouga - Greninja
Torimian - Furfrou
Teerunaa - Braixen

A common thing with all those names, is that they've been used for Corocoro reveals, Legendaries gets a free pass since every game since G/S/C has the same name in all countries, this justifies why the Legendary Birds were named Fire, Thunder and...Freezer.

AZ's Machine killed all life around it to bring Floette back to life, indirectly either making both of them Immortal or at least longlifed or even Mutated them

It's possible that the backstory meant that over 50 Species of Pokemon became extinct, or perhaps they'll slowly come back into circulation with the Zygarde plot. Or if you want to be skeptical, possibly internal data placeholders for Mega forms, and for Pokemon who later gained individual data tables for alternate formes such as Unown, Castform and Rotom.


On the topic of the comic. Let's hope professor Oak doesn't get a trash can and place it ontop of the Rattata and use a lighter on it...like in a certain film. (wasn't it 2 Fast 2 Furious?)
 

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The_Echo said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
It's based on the order they make them up.
I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, but I was talking in-universe.

I remember being told back in my childhood that a Pokémon's place in the Pokédex was determined by order of discovery
There's supposed to be an in-universe explanation? I never knew that, I thought it was never addressed.
 

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Legion said:
This is starting to get sinister.

I think we need a Planet of the Apes story arc next. Where the Pokemon rise up and learn to talk, and the humans are forced to battle each other instead.
I thought that was the Mewtwo movie...
 

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Silver Patriot said:
Since everybody has already made the obvious 1984 reference.



"The Elite Four have invited you to the Indigo Plateau."
Shit, and I thought I'd be the first to make that reference. Props, sir.

...after a quick trip to Serebii, Gen I (Kanto) obviously had 151 pokemon, Gen II (Johto) added 100, Gen III (Hoenn) added 135 (and it feels like almost all of them were Water-types), Gen IV (Sinnoh) added 107, Gen V (Unova) added 156, and Gen VI has so far added 69 (because the 3DS's encryption hasn't been cracked, the unrevealed event legends are still actually unrevealed). Taking Unova out of the equation, since Black/White were meant to basically be a full reboot and built its Dex from scratch, the average addition per generation has been about 100 (411 pokemon divided by 4 regions). The regional dexes have been getting progressively larger, though, since they can include more and more old pokemon (despite introducing less than 70 new pokemon, Kalos's Dex numbers a ludicrous 454).

(Also was never required to read 1984 in high school: always meant to read it in my free time, never got around to it.)
 

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In other news, we have always been at war with Team Flare.
There is no war with team flare.

We are winning the war with team flare.

both of these facts are true.

Cognitive dissonance does not exist.



I admit, the comic was worth a chuckle from me, since I come from where they're coming from. I'm enjoying playing Y (my first pokemon game since Blue) but I'm disheartened by how many of the pokemon i've encountered that look like earlier pokemon in paper thin disguises. feels like the roster's a little inflated.

..Also glad I'm not the only person who came into this thread expecting a discussion on Tommy Wiseau.
 

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SecretNegative said:
Uh, was this humor? No seriously? Am I meant to openly laugh at this? Or chuckle a little bit and say "that's was kinda clever" or what? I know quality control on the Internet is pretty much non-existant but come on. Really?
Those are my thoughts each and every time I read a Critical Miss strip. I remember enjoying some early strips, but in general, reading this strip is [insert overused trainwreck metaphor]. Any semblance of a storyline seems to have vanished entirely, and the jokes fail to tickle my funny bone. I would say the art isn't bad, but the style just looks...wrong to me.
Critical Miss is the 'The Room' of webcomics.
 

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The_Echo said:
SNIP
Yeah. (Though it may be worth noting that Digimon has had 1100+ for years.)
Digimon is however very guilty of merely pallette swapping a critter and calling him a brand new dude Pokemonb at least uses different designs for its generic pidgeons
 

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Battling is peace.
Releasing is slavery.
Pokemania is strength.


Seriously though, that comic made my whole day.
 

The_Echo

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Ocelano said:
The_Echo said:
SNIP
Yeah. (Though it may be worth noting that Digimon has had 1100+ for years.)
Digimon is however very guilty of merely pallette swapping a critter and calling him a brand new dude Pokemonb at least uses different designs for its generic pidgeons
Yeah, there are some recolors in Digimon species.

But as far as I've seen, it's a pretty significant minority.
 

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Hah! I get the reference? Still, seven hundred and eighty-one? Yikes! Gotta catch 'em all indeed...

Legion said:
This is starting to get sinister.

I think we need a Planet of the Apes story arc next. Where the Pokemon rise up and learn to talk, and the humans are forced to battle each other instead.
I second that notion!
 

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TizzytheTormentor said:
Yeah, catching them all is now more of a burden than an achievement.

Also, is anyone else confused on how Fairy types are supposedly "newly discovered" Pokemon? What, did the natives of Kalo's just not see them?
My issue are the Pokemon that are now Fairy type.

Fairies are immune to dragon and weak to poison etc... How did my little Cleff not get unaffected by Outrage last generation? Silly game mechanics affecting the 'logic' of the Pokeverse.
 

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The way I remember the Pokerap actually admits there may be more than 150... So it was never really canon even then that 150 was the limit.

Because how I remember it was something like this:

"Cause there's One Hundred and fifty, And MORE TO SEE."

I took that to mean that... Yep... There's more than that, we just haven't discovered the little critters yet.

...

And as for the Digimon discussion, I still like Digimon, and the series still is good... But it wasn't in the sense of it being higher entertainment.

In no Particular order... My opinion of each Season.

Season Three was the most the most Cereberal. Season One was the most Cohesive. Season Two was... Okay I guess... Season Four is the one I remember as "The one where the Good Guys don't win until everything is FUBAR". Season Five was were they started appealing to the Awesome Factor BY HAVING A HUMAN GUY CONSTANTLY PUNCHING MONSTERS IN THE FACE! And Season Six was an Excercise in Serial Escalation with a side of Nostalgia Panda Rings.

And The Hunters Arc?

It was... A Mess... An Enjoyable mess, like watching a Car Crash where everyone survives just because one of them is too Brave and Stupid to Die. And Emerging from the wreckage this boy who may as well be Ash Ketcham but isn't Swears to somehow Save the World by becoming the best Monster Hunter Ever and then he spontaneously bursts into flames.

...It pays not to think of the Hunters Arc as a Digimon Season... And to think of it more as what it would be like if Gurren Lagann was combined with Pokemon.

...


And Back to Pokemon... I always kind of assume that the Pokedex not being Updated for the New Region yet has Something to do with each new Region only just growing to the level of Human Development as the last. And Before that point, they haven't compiled each Region's Findings with the previous.

For example... Going from Kanto to Johto, the Pokedex is still brand new, and is a Product of Kanto, and Johto hasn't started cataloging Pokemon since they only just got the device they need to do so: A Pokedex Shipped in from Kanto. Which they didn't yet have the Know how to Make themselves from Scratch... And So they add in a new memory pack, and hope like heck that their Haphasard Solution will work, send out a few Teens, and Bring the Results back to the Lab, then ship the findings back to Kanto Somehow.

Onward to Hoenn, a few years later Kanto makes contact with them, a few Skips over to such a Degree that Kanto may not have even explored that far themselves before then, and they tell them their plan of Cataloging Pokemon. Hoenn has better know how than Johto, so they Cobble Together their own Pokedex, the first "Regional Dex", since they don't want to bother waiting for a shipment from Kanto. And once done, they contact Kanto, send over the findings, and after a bit of sifting, they add the findings together and call it the "National Dex".

...We Can Assume a similar story happens with Sinnoh...

Unova on the other hand may have Come up with the idea of a Pokedex Independently, having come up with it several years after Kanto did, and the National Dex came to them when they find out its already out there by word of Intrepid Explorers who find their land.

...And Finally Kalos... Who Just couldn't Get their stuff together in one Unified Pokedex, having had a freaking awesome one for ages but had Three Competing Indexes and no centralized research to list them on a single system. And it only being when Kanto makes contact that they finally decide on a unified order for their unique pokemon.

So the basic narrative of Pokemon's Human Civilization can be interpreted as people sitting their asses down in one spot and making huge assets of technology but only recently has the idea of "Exploration" even occurred to them, to the point they may have forgotten there were other civilizations out there with technology as good as theirs, that they just weren't able to communicate with. After all... The end of their maps may as well say "Out there be Dragons" and it being just a simple fact that means "There are literally Dragons over here, probably a Dragonite to be precise, they don't like you going that way, Please turn back. You have nice and comfortable Heating in you small island that you are holed up in."

...Damn... Should have started with that... Oh well.
 

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Seriously? Over 700?

Man, am I ever glad I stopped collecting the cards. That would just be...gah...so many...too many...

And here I am, proud of having legitimately caught all 151.
 

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Ishal said:
Zhukov said:
Wait... really?

I haven't payed attention since Red/Blue. Are there seriously 700+ of the little bastards running around now?
My thoughts exactly, and that alone is enough to make me keep my distance. Then there is the possibility of powercreep with all these new pokemon. Don't know how bad it is or if it's even a problem, but I don't want to find out.
Not every Pokemon is in each new installment... they're crazy, not stupid. I believe X and Y only has 200 or so total?