The sarcasm/BDSM discussion thread!

Lyri

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Jesus Christ a BDSM thread, it's like The Escapist is becoming some kind of sexual deviance discussion board.
What exactly where the benefits of pub club again?

BDSM is about trust by two people to hand over control to their partner in order to play out power fantasies.
It's not sexist and you shouldn't think that way, it's agreed upon and doesn't infringe upon anyone's gender and day to day roles in society.
 

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Trezu said:
i much rather read 50 shades of Greyskull :D (see what i did there)

also i haven't read the book so i can't say my direct opinion but from what people have said it's total bullshit
Shame that's the best quality of that video on the tubes.
 

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Boudica said:
Matthew94 said:
Boudica said:
Matthew94 said:
Boudica said:
Matthew94 said:
Boudica said:
I like the fem-dom kind of BDSM roleplay, personally. I don't like the male dominant version because I dislike men having any power.
Are you serious?

The more you post the less I can take you seriously. "Feminism is a celebration of women, that's why I hate men".

Guuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrl, sort yourself out. Mmmm hmmm
You're going to have to show me where I said I hate men. I'd really like to see this magical ability of yours to summon forth things people never said. You should also probably explain to my boyfriend that I hate him.
Seems like major issues with men if you (and I quote) "dislike men having any power".

That's not a healthy attitude.
Oh, you can't show that I "hate men"? Odd that you would make the claim, knowing you cannot support it.

Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurl, you keep paying yo gamez yo!

It does seem like a major dislike or even hatred of them if you (and I quote) "dislike men having any power".

Would you care to elaborate on why you feel men shouldn't have any power?
I feel no urge to explain anything to someone that begins a conversation with accusations they cannot prove.

Mr F. said:
Considering you can argue that all heterosexual sex is rape and sexist.
Well, you could argue that, but you could also argue gravity doesn't exist.
Bahahaha.

Please note, the name (Mr. F) and now I will drop in that I am a bisexual and that the argument that all heterosexual sex is rape is not one that I agree with on any level, it is just down to the nature of academia and feminist theory.

I mean, hell, the theory that I will now explain (Which, again, I do not agree with) came out of feminism which is something I am given to understand that you agree with. I am using it as an extreme example to try and explain why people need to start seperating theory from reality.

In society women have less power then men, correct? As a result of this, they have less agency when compared to men, they do not have as much choice in their decisions. Now, factor this in to sex. Because women have less agency, their consent is worth less then a mans. Because their consent is worth less, it can be argued that their consent was not "True" consent due to the nature of society. Ergo, the sex that occured was rape.

Doop de doo.

But if you were arguing against the existence of reality you could not really use well established theories within your argument. But that argument, the one I just outlined, exists. It is abused by some radical feminsits (Occasionally called Feminazi's by morons) but for many within the feminist community it is a point of some contention and something to be discussed.

Because if you accept that women have less power then men, which most feminsits do (Its sorta one of the points behind feminism) then you accept they have less agency, if you accept they have less agency then they cannot make full consent, ergo rape. Again, I do not agree with the argument at all (Just making that clear)

I made the point because, well, whilst BDSM might be sexist if you analyse it (And come on, it all plays on power fantasys and whatnot. It would not even be hard to explain why Femdom is sexist against women.) and if you approach it with an understanding of feminist theory, in reality it is not sexist. Like the rape scenario I just gave you, acccording to theory it is one thing but in reality we know it to be another.

And if people cannot start making that definition, if people cannot play nice, people in general should just fuck off. If we started discussing the realities of sexism (And not getting bogged down in theories and name calling) then this discussion would be worth something.

But we wont.

Someone will get called a feminazi

I will be called a White Knight

And some feminist will call someone a "Misogynistic Woman Hating Pig"
 

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Boudica said:
Matthew94 said:
Boudica said:
Matthew94 said:
Boudica said:
I like the fem-dom kind of BDSM roleplay, personally. I don't like the male dominant version because I dislike men having any power.
Are you serious?

The more you post the less I can take you seriously. "Feminism is a celebration of women, that's why I hate men".

Guuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrl, sort yourself out. Mmmm hmmm
You're going to have to show me where I said I hate men. I'd really like to see this magical ability of yours to summon forth things people never said. You should also probably explain to my boyfriend that I hate him.
Seems like major issues with men if you (and I quote) "dislike men having any power".

That's not a healthy attitude.
Oh, you can't show that I "hate men"? Odd that you would make the claim, knowing you cannot support it.
Stop getting side-tracked by semantics and get to the point; Why do you dislike men having any power, and what do you mean by "any power"?

Maybe we can sort this out right away.
 

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Boudica said:
I like the fem-dom kind of BDSM roleplay, personally. I don't like the male dominant version because I dislike men having any power.
'I don't like fem-dom because I dislike women having any power''. See any problems with that statement? If I said that for real somebody would probably construe that as sexist.

Boudica said:
My current boyfriend enjoys it, so I've little reason to care about changing lol.
Having a boyfriend that likes being dominated doesn't excuse it. It's still a sexist viewpoint.
 

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Boudica said:
Matthew94 said:
I really want to know.
I really want proof that I "hate men" ;D
You haven't said it, but you play up to the rhetoric... you make many comments in these type threads defending women to the bone, no matter what their faults are, whilst making it quite plain that you think men as lesser to women, rather than an equal. This is clear by your inability to accept views that are in any way against any women... even if it is blatant the women is wrong...

It's similar to if someone said: 'Whites are totally awesome, and black people are bad at everything'... but then turn around and say 'I can't be racist because I didn't say I was...'
 

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Tsukuyomi said:
I've also read that not every person involved in the lifestyle is comfortable with that level of control. One Male Submissive wrote into a message-board about the topic stating that while reading some of the more popular books on the subject, one female dom author stated fairly explicitly that when you control a man you're not in complete and proper control of him until you control his finances. That idea scared this particular sub and hell, it'd scare me too.
I think this post might stem from a slight misunderstanding of what the majority of people practicing BDSM think it should be about, namely consensus. A dom should not proceed with anything unless She/he is sure that they have the subs consensus. Communication is vital in this sort of relationship.

Tsukuyomi said:
The entire process beyond some extra spice in the bedroom, actual slaves and masters, seems so enormously complicated mentally that if I were to meet any pair that pulled it off successfully without lasting psychological issues, I would want to shake their hands. It seems like if done improperly, if you mess up even the tiniest thing at the wrong time, the consequences could be terrible and possibly ruin the relationship. I remember reading a description that stated that the first few months of such a relationship are terrible for the submissive in that it FORCES them to kill their ego. You are literally little more than furniture and are expected to act as such. You live FOR your Master and you live to serve. Just the act of service should bring you the greatest joy. Just them looking your way, let alone even acknowledging your presence should bring a smile to your face. Complete and total dependance on another person.

Naturally there's different layers and things, and I've only ever skimmed the surface in terms of reading about it and what it's like. Some of it is interesting, some of it is downright terrifying.
It is very important that there are degrees in which people live out their fantasies. Some simply have rougher sex, other live in a 24/7 dominance relationship. Again consensus is the important thing, and if something is terrible for the submissive it shouldn?t be done. BDSM is about mutual pleasure.

Tsukuyomi said:
You have to be a thousand times sure you're ready for it before you even begin to give it a try.
Yes, you have to be ready, but for many people this is like a sexual orientation that has been with them since they matured sexually. Recently I read something in a newspaper (we have had a public discussion about this in Norway because the government has financed an information pamphlet for teenagers about the subject) written by a 16-year old girl who had been interested in BDSM as long as she could remember and started identifying with this when she found out what it was called at the age of 12.

I am sorry if this turned into more of its one post than an answer to yours. It think we for the most part agree.
 

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Matthew94 said:
Elementary - Dear Watson said:
Boudica said:
Matthew94 said:
I really want to know.
I really want proof that I "hate men" ;D
You haven't said it, but you play up to the rhetoric... you make many comments in these type threads defending women to the bone, no matter what their faults are, whilst making it quite plain that you think men as lesser to women, rather than an equal. This is clear by your inability to accept views that are in any way against any women... even if it is blatant the women is wrong...

It's similar to if someone said: 'Whites are totally awesome, and black people are bad at everything'... but then turn around and say 'I can't be racist because I didn't say I was...'
Thank you.

She hasn't explicitly said she hates men but her attitude towards men are just as damaging, if not much more so. Saying an entire gender should be deprived of holding any power is a very messed up attitude and that kind of thinking should hardly be around in this day and age.
I think it's people wearing the feminist label prancing around trying to have a role reversal of how it was in the early 20th century that are really damaging modern feminism, and even making society take steps back.

It's like all the online petitions about really whiny issues with games and films. It devalues the petitions, so when one is set up for something that needs speaking out on, it has a lessened effect. IE, any legislation put forward to do things like close the wage gap between the sexes is probably more likely to be discarded because of extremist people running around spewing vile everywhere in the name of 'feminism'.

Just some food for thought.
 

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Matthew94 said:
twohundredpercent said:
Oh for fucks sake, it's just a sex thing. Let it go dogboy.
#1 It's a fox

#2 She made a hugely sexist statement and refused to elaborate it

#3 She said she would elaborate on it and is now ignoring all posts made towards her
Yeah, but still no need to talk shit about users in private groups, or to make it so personal.

Just a friendly hint.