yea i mean this doesn't make Noah an innocent saint but in this whole drama only one had a documented medical condition. Kinda sad.TheDrunkNinja said:
The Spoony One has been ejected from That Guy With the Glasses.
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Mmmmmm-I wouldn't say blame is the right word since Mojang can choose who and who not to have an interview with, reasons be damned... Then again, Notch is also known to blow things out of proportion and act like a petulant child over trivial matters.SaneAmongInsane said:
Eh, there are like four different versions of LordKat's story anyway, so I'd pretty much say this version has as much validity as the others. I wouldn't be surprised if the exact opposite of this account were true. Same goes for if it turned out this story was actually the true account. It's all up in the air at this point until some actual confirmation is presented which will probably never happen.
That's one way to look at it, but I wouldn't really agree. It wasn't actually Notch that cancelled, it was others at the company. It was a PR thing. Both Joe and Spoony talk a lot about being game journalists, but they mostly hoisted everything but a few big game interviews onto the less popular guys and goofed off at the conventions. Roo from 16bit gems, LordKaT previously, and a fair few others were the ones doing the work, and their antics had a tendency to make it a lot harder for them to talk to anyone. They were the faces of the Blistered Thumbs, and their fuck-ups caused a lot of problems for everyone associated with it. The Notch situation was just the biggest lost chance that resulted from it.SaneAmongInsane said:
But that's one of the dangers of being low on the totem-pole but still associated with a group. LordKaT left TG over it, because at that point he had plenty of his own connections and being associated with TG was hurting him far more then helping. While I'm sure he's pissed that those two's goofing off cost him an interview that he'd gotten through his own connections, he maintained decent and often good relations with other ThatGuy contributors, and didn't really bring it up until Spoony's latest tirade where he started attacking LordKaT's fans. I've been watching LordKat for awhile, primarily because while I don't find him very funny some of his friends are fucking hilarious, and shit with Spoony has been brewing for a long while. He started venting, saying this would be the last they talked about Spoony, but built himself up into a rage where he was spouting shit and attacking anyone who didn't agree with him. Shitty behavior that there's no excuse for, but the reasons behind it being totally mischaracterized and either lied about or totally gotten wrong bugs me.
See I'd believe that this person had some semblence of dignity... but he also told a severely depressed person to go kill himself over something that happened over a year ago.infinity_turtles said:
Then made a half assed apology where he only recognized he was being shitty not actually apologizing for it.
Lordkat has NO excuse for his behavior which has been targeted and malicious in it's intent towards Spoony. While Spoony's stuff has been just as bad at times, it's sporadic and pointed in all directions. It's not malicious focused attacks on a person's character.
Stop defending Lordkat. He doesn't deserve it. No matter what Spoony might have done at that one E3 event (I've heard a few different stories on how it all went down), it DOESN'T excuse the man's down right childishly spoiled behavior. You should recognize what a child he's being. You should recognize what a terrible person he is being without any excuse. He's just a bad person, using this situation as a soapbox to get some attention back to himself.
Sorry to sound like I'm discrediting your detailed account, but this thread has been rittled with realistic-sounding and believable stories that have been proven to be entirely false. Some with the intention of slandering someone else.infinity_turtles said:
I said before that an actual confirmation of this event regarding LordKat and Noah was rather unlikely, but I'll ask for one anyway, or at least some public statements or any other proof that would back up your version.
Again, not trying to sound hostile, but there's far too much speculation and conjecture in this thread already to give something as detailed as this a free pass. You know how it is. We even needed to have Welshy confirm his identity before any of us took his claim seriously.
I'm not defending him. I'm pointing out people getting the facts surrounding the situation wrong. There is no excuse for what he said, which means people should be able to get their facts right when tearing him down. It's the lack of accuracy that pisses me off. On that note, having been at GDC that year and having asked those at the Mojang booth about the interview I thought Notch had done with LordKaT at that point, I'm pretty sure whatever other versions you've heard are bullshit.th3dark3rsh33p said:
Like the fact that LordKaT didn't apologize for telling Spoony to kill himself. Cause he doesn't seem all that sorry for that. He's apologized for erupting at his community. Or that there were a lot of other reasons besides what happened over a year ago, because those two have been having major issues for quite some time. He's still a complete ass for telling someone he knew had depression for telling them to kill themselves. But you can make that known just by saying he told a guy he knew had depression to kill himself.
That's compeltely understandable. As I said above, I was at GDC that year and asked those at the Mojang booth about the interview I thought they'd done. I was given a pretty bland explanation that amounted to they'd found out he was with some guys who'd caused problems at E3 so they canceled.TheDrunkNinja said:
Not really something I can show hard proof for though, so your call on if you believe it. That said, the rant where LordKaT talks about what happened is here [http://www.lordkat.com/lordkat-live-062112-part-2.html], and right after a higher up from That Guy comes on and while he avoids saying anything concrete, he says Spoony has been a problem for awhile and doesn't deny the claims LordKaT made, despite LOrdKaT having violated his NDA with ThatGuy by talking about it.
I would believe that except that never stopped Spoony and Joe (the ones allegedly responsible) from getting any interview they wanted plus the guys at Xcom this year turned it all into a big joke laughing along with Spoony and Joe, even naming an achievement in the new XCOM "BETRAYAL".infinity_turtles said:
and it was shouted in the lobby when everyone was leaving on the last day not at any booth, look at the vid (and joes reaction was priceless)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF_Ca45JRFs
yea Spoony and Joe had a big interview with them this year and giggled about the whole thing, Lordkat wants to hold a grudge (if it indeed went down like he said it did and hes not just blaming Joe and Noah for no reason, because let's face it he is vindictive)MrMan999 said:
and speaking of E3's press requirements, they are having a website and talking about games, that is literally how lenient the requirement is. I honestly don't think Spoony wanted to go but he was kind of obligated by Channel Awesome to help legitimize Blistered Thumbs.
The XCOM guys aren't the ones LordKaT had an interview with. LordKaT, at GDC following that E3, had an interview with Notch from Mojang. Just because those guys were cool with it doesn't mean every developer was. Blistered Thumbs is small time, and has(or at least had) a reputation for being very unprofessional. Spoony and Joe also didn't get very many interviews, they got let in a long with others when the developers were doing demos and asked questions of the PR/Staff there organizing the demo, which is pretty standard for E3.renaissance_nerd said:
Honestly though, Joe being the head of Blistered Thumbs at the time probably had a lot more to do with BT's horrible repuation, what with the going around asking to choke people on camera and his Spike TV interview with Geoff Keighley. E3 is a lot more press oriented and professional now then it used to be way back when though, so I suppose the yelling thing could've gotten BT's Faces a bit more attention it really didn't need at the time.
ok even if that is true this was to the best of my knowledge Spoony and Joe's first E3, they didn't know what to expect or really how to act, I know if it was my frist foray into the convention scene I'd be a giggling goofy gamer, i too may have done something not status quo. In fact I did at my first anime con i almost got kicked out for being a goofy otaku.infinity_turtles said:
but does Lordkat do anything to distance himself and try and bury it? no in fact he loves digging it back up, if i was trying to distance myself from an incident and prove i was not "cut from the same cloth" i wouldn't keep bringing it up and looking like a whiny douche.
He didn't make a big deal about it back then aside from leaving ThatGuy and just telling people it was a business thing. Pretty sure pretty much noone knew this had happened. It's only until things blew-up that he started ranting on his live stream about all the bad blood between him and Spoony. That was the first time he brought it up aside from presumably behind closed doors. And he hasn't brought it up since. He avoids talking about Spoony ever since his apology to his community, outside of tweeting Susan Arendt that The Escapist community was jumping on this after things had mostly settled down.renaissance_nerd said:
whatever we can debate it all day, the fact of the matter is by his outburst he has proven he is no better than TGWTG, he is prone to angry outbursts of absolute merciless vitrol alienating his fans and sliding further down into the muck, any shred of professionalism he claims to have or have had is gone.infinity_turtles said:
there is no excuse for telling someone on an open mic for all to hear to take his bothers gun and splatter his brains all over the wall. just none, and I don't care how you, Lordkat or anyone else attempt to justify it.
you still want to be his fan? cool, I'm still Spoony's fan after what he said but don't attempt to even try and claim Lordkat is somehow a victim in this. Jason is nothing but a hateful, jealous little man blaming others for his shortcomings. Someone made you look bad ooooooo rise above it and prove them wrong, not host a live-stream in a dark corner of the net and wallow in your uselessness while claiming to be the greatest thing in gaming since fucking PONG.
How disappointing, but I guess you can't expect to bring together a bunch of adults with strong personalities (and issues) and expect things to be fun and games forever...
Whatever happens next, I hope Spoony comes out okay. His videos got me though my last two years of grad school, for God's sake. He at least deserves something for that.
Whatever happens next, I hope Spoony comes out okay. His videos got me though my last two years of grad school, for God's sake. He at least deserves something for that.
I'm not really a LordKaT fan, I'm a fan of some of his friends on his stream. And I think he's a complete fucking asshole for telling Spoony, who is also a asshole, to kill himself. There's no excuse for it. But you can make the point that he's a massive asshole by saying he told a guy he knew had depression to kill himself. People don't need to bring in other shit, and worst of all be WRONG ON THE INTERNET*, about the stuff surrounding it.renaissance_nerd said:
*This is clearly sarcasm. Though I do find the inaccuracies annoying.
I wasn't there so I don't know all I know is the sum of what has been said/show about it, as for Joe asking to choke someone it was for a quick intro to an interview he was doing and the one who agreed to it backed out, so Joe with very limited time tried to get a replacement (clumsily sure but he was running out of time his interview window was closing pretty quick) until finally James Rolfe (the AVGN) agreed to do it. (and the choke turned into a punch because James didn't want to get choked on camera)infinity_turtles said:
Its not like Joe went batshit and wanted to harm random E3 goers.
Spoony and Joe in 2010 thought they could bring their "skit" style of video making to a professional press convention, they were sadly wrong and learned their lesson pretty quick. LordKat being the adult he claims to be should have realized that it was their first time and should have been more forgiving than he is.
in fact this is the interview (at about 1:20)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVTqVLOHCq0
Although that does beg the question, Why couldn't they?renaissance_nerd said:
Really? Is it that unprofessional to go to someone and politely ask if they'll play along for a skit for a comedy site?
Sounds to me like the "professional press" are just a bunch of pretentious dicks.