ForumSafari said:
Loonyyy said:
Your writers are hacks CD Projekt. They're so bad at it that they can't even write convincing dialogue to lie to me about their juvenile crap. Oh god that's funny.
Just to argue the toss, what game ever has successfully convinced you that a character is worth saving for anything except the progression of the story?
Eh, not too many. The most I've felt it mattered to save characters is in open world RPGs where you can lose minor quest givers, because I want all of the content. I did hope I'd catch up to the truck in SR2 to save the new guy because I liked him, and the Darkness 2 gave me more than enough reason to understand that Jackie wanted to save Jenny, and even showed a romantic relationship throughout.
The crappiness of other games writing doesn't excuse this one in any way (So arguing the toss on that is entirely pointless). The most amusing part is that these professional writers couldn't even find a convincing way to explain why this wasn't juvenile "Ooooh sex".
Amaror said:
What's wrong with sex portraying the relationship between two characters.
Nothing. Didn't say that. Said their excuses were silly. The inclusion is juvenile, but I don't have a problem with that. Just, you know, be honest about it.
People allready know Geralt, Yennefer basically didn't appear in any of the games to date and was only mentioned in cutscenes, so it's likely many people won't know who she is.
And the best way to fill people in on that is a sex scene. No, that's just bad writing for fanservice.
What does sex between them show? Easy. When it's consensual non-paid sex it's clear that both people care about each other and that they most likely have romantic feelings towards each other.
No. It shows that they're willing to rub their genitals together. And yeah, it shows that they're sexual partners. Still doesn't make it good writing. Showing that the notoriously promiscuous Geralt fucked someone doesn't give a backstory on why they're following them. It's sex, because the Witcher likes sex. I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with pretending the writing is more than it is. Similarly, GoT or pretty much any HBO series is full of gratuitous sex scenes and nudity. Those don't usually serve any special purpose apart from that they like to include sex. Which is fine. If we're all adults, we can admit to liking it, and not how much it apparently matters and is the optimum writing solution.
Since Geralt is pretty moral guy, his affection for Yennefer indicates that she is also a somewhat good person.
Hahahaha. You're grasping at straws. And that's because there is very little given by the content. Which was my problem.
This is a good base-knowledge about the relationship between two characters and about Yennefer herself and it's shown within a very small amount of time.
Nope. Nope nope nope nope nope. That they like to fuck and a guess at her morality isn't much information at all. You're demonstrating more admirably the problems with the scene than I ever could.
All the people complaining here seem to think he said:"We're going to have them have sex and that's all were going to do. They won't talk a word more, sex is ENOUGH to say EVERYTHING about this person."
Where did I say that? Oh, nowhere? That's right.
But he didn't say that, it's just another means to portray their relationship in some way.
And that way fits in with the given aesthetic of the Witcher. Juvenile sex scenes and all.
In fact, there were some Journalist that allready saw this scene during a preview hands-on and they talked about the scene somewhat.
Cool story. Don't know why you mention it if you don't mention anything they said apart from that someone talked about the scene.
We don't even see Geralt and Yennefer having sex in the beginning. The whole scene plays after the sex and shows Geralt and Yennefer talking to each other, were it is heavily implied that they just had sex. Yennefer isn't portrayed by her having sex with geralt, but rather the fact that they had sex, together with their dialogue serves to portray geralt and yennefers relationship and explains why geralt wants to find her.
Yes, and that he wants to find someone he fucked isn't particularly good writing. At best, it's that they stole his girlfriend/lover/partner. And fucking MARIO did that. When they say that it's the quick way, they're right. It's the laziest, lowest common denominator schlock. They like sex, they like pornographic images, they should just own up to it. You know, when they get called on it, just say, "So what? We fucking like it, and this is how we like it. If you don't, then that's on you." rather than trying to defend it with their supposed writing talents. Their defense is transparent.
ninja51 said:
See above two posts, you're wrong, and very very uninformed. You have also thought about this situation in the entirely wrong way.
See my lack of caring about your misrepresentation of others. You're wrong, and very very uninformed (And not just about the Witcher, but writing). You have also thought about this situation in entirely the wrong way.
Also: Telling me to read a post where you rant at another user, completely misrepresenting them, and receive a warning for doing so, is really, really funny. And if you want to call me a prude, you can go through my harddrive. My problem isn't that they included sex, I have no issue with that. It's the poor writing, and the laugh out loud defenses of it that are funny. And that goes double for your response to me and to Fox12. It's funny. You're funny.
Fox12 said:
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*Smacks head against desk repeatedly*
I don't really see why this is important, or how they can tout this as a selling point unironically. It just reeks of petulance. "Look at us. We're big boys now." Yes you are CD project. You're. A. Big. Boy.
I actually like this company, but this attitude really irks me. The best way to build an emotional connection is through sex? Only a very poor writer believes this. Up was a children's film, and it sounds more mature then this. I'm not mad, just a little disapointed. Sex has its place in media, but this isn't it.
Definitely agree. This is a lazy, cheap way to do this, and it's not exactly a deep or affecting way.
Fox12 said:
That's weird. UP made me care about the characters in less than ten minutes. So did The Last of Us. I don't remember sex in either of those. Maybe there's a directors cut, I don't know.
Personally, I don't think sex is the best or the fastest way to build up a character. It may be the laziest, though. Besides, doesn't geralt sleep with anything that has a pulse? I never got the impression that random tavern wench #4 was special. Why is this girl?
In any case, I don't think you understand my position. This is probably because you didn't try to understand my position. It's easier to argue with a straw man, I guess. I have no problem with sex in media. My favorite story is Berserk, and that series is borderline pornographic with its liberal use of sex. My issue is with people equating sex and violence with maturity. It's possible to have both, and still be immature. The sex isn't there for a plot reason. It's there to titilate the player, like a reward. That's an incredibly immature way to look at sex. The sex scenes in berserk have greater meanings beyond themselves. The sex scenes in The Witcher are just... there. Everything in a story needs to earn its place, or be removed. Everyone says these sex scenes are optional. The mere fact that they're optional tells me that they're unnecessary, and don't need to be there. As long as The Witcher series does this, I can't help but look at it as immature. It's just lazy and bad storytelling.
Also, my testacles can't recede into my anus. Your understanding of human anatomy is somewhat alarming.
More agrees. Although, I think there's a clarification. If I read it correctly, the sex scene here is one of the non-optional ones. So if you have a chaste-ish Geralt, then maybe this scene has some impact(If you're particularly naive about sex, which is an odd perspective for someone playing a Witcher game), but if you play the content that they included, then you end up with walking STD Geralt rolling in the hay with another girl who is then given little additional significance. Either way, it's still a terrible way to introduce a character, tell us about them, or make us want to find them, bar buying into the game with it's flaws, like every other crappy action movie or videogame.
