These are the rules that the actual pros play MW2 by

[WestMountain]

I hate people who call it pro to take away useful items out of a game, you should use what works best for you to get as much score as you can and if you do that well youre a real pro. CoD isnt all about twitch shooting you can have tactics too..

 

[Contextualizer]

I hate people who call it pro to take away useful items out of a game, you should use what works best for you to get as much score as you can and if you do that well youre a real pro. CoD isnt all about twitch shooting you can have tactics too..

You don't think tactics matter when everyone has incredible reflexes?

 

[CAW4]

"Pros" are wastes of space. They're just whiny little bitches who are too terrible to learn to counter someone elses tactic, and thus change the rules so the only option is to play just like them. They are not even close to being called 'video game pros,' but instead 'complaining pros.'

 

[chronobreak]

They have as much right to whine about what they think is an unbalance game feature as you do for using a game feature you like.

What happened to the mute function anyway?

Right, defend the people deliberatly ruining the game for everyone else. Sure, everyone has a right to act like an idiot, but that doesn't make it alright for them to do. Just answer me, straight up, who is worse- people just trying to enjoy themselves or people spouting off about n00bs and intending to make someone else feel like shit?

 

[Optimus Hagrid]

As unbalanced as it is...

...goddammit, MW2 is my favourite multiplayer game for stealth ever made.

It would be be TF2, but I have more luck in that game when go to the front line and use the revolver as my primary weapon. Also the 360 version does not have the dead ringer, lol

 

[Robyrt]

It is a VERY rare game that is improved by the addition of rules like these.

The real solution, courtesy of David Sirlin, is to figure out the best tactics and then figure out a counter to those tactics. It is NOT to ban weapons that are better than assault rifles. If you don't like the way the game ends up (like Halo 2's BXR) go play a different game.

 

[Contextualizer]

They have as much right to whine about what they think is an unbalance game feature as you do for using a game feature you like.

What happened to the mute function anyway?

Right, defend the people deliberatly ruining the game for everyone else. Sure, everyone has a right to act like an idiot, but that doesn't make it alright for them to do.

But imagine it in their shoes; what you just said applies exactly in the reverse too. At least you have a mute function that won't otherwise affect your game. There's no mute function for grenade launchers or akimbo shotguns.

I mean, just reading your first sentence, it's hard to say who you're attacking or defending.

Just answer me, straight up, who is worse- people just trying to enjoy themselves or people spouting off about n00bs and intending to make someone else feel like shit?

If you frame the argument like that, it seems like the people "just trying to enjoy themselves" have far more intent and capability to make someone else feel like shit. Besides, if they're "trying" to enjoy themselves by intentionally limiting how they play to broken weapons/features to gain an unfair advantage over other players, I'd say that's a whole lot worse than players who enjoy playing a fair game.

Anyway, think about it: you can always mute someone who is whining. But how do you "mute" akimbo shotguns or grenade launchers? You just have to live with it.

 

[Contextualizer]

that's gay as fuck

Along with all the people throwing around the term "tourneyfag," I didn't know homophobia was accepted and in full force in this forum.

 

[Mr. Purple]

Yea, ummm if you cant play a game with what it offers, your really missing the point of the game. Screw all of that, "This weapon is cheap" Shit. You should find a way to defeat the weapons that you cant help but submit to. or use them yourself. they are there for a reason.
If there are really any unbelievable unbalances, you would hope that infinity ward would fix it.

I can't believe the 3-point shot only counts outside the 3-point line in basketball! Ugh!

The way these pros are playing is like taking away as basketball players sneakers. They make you better when you wear them ...No shit thats why they are there. Nobody cares if you want to play basketball with no shoes. Your not making me do it. >.>

 

[Contextualizer]

Yea, ummm if you cant play a game with what it offers, your really missing the point of the game. Screw all of that, "This weapon is cheap" Shit. You should find a way to defeat the weapons that you cant help but submit to. or use them yourself. they are there for a reason.
If there are really any unbelievable unbalances, you would hope that infinity ward would fix it.

I can't believe the 3-point shot only counts outside the 3-point line in basketball! Ugh!

The way these pros are playing is like taking away as basketball players sneakers. They make you better when you wear them ...No shit thats why they are there. Nobody cares if you want to play basketball with no shoes. Your not making me do it. >.>

That comparison is broken beyond belief because every basketball player wears sneakers; it creates an even playing field in the sport.

And again, no one's making you do anything. Unless you're good enough to go to these tournaments and want to go to them and even then, you only have to play by those rules in the tournament. It's not like you're bound to some pro gamer honor code when you're pubbing. Are you that good? Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[dekkarax]

I don't mind when people set rules for private tournaments.

It's when they start leaking into the base game that gets on my nerves.

 

[ygetoff]

These rules look un-fun...
Seriously, my main source of entertainment in that game is running around blowing off people's face with shotguns.

 

[Mr. Purple]

Yea, ummm if you cant play a game with what it offers, your really missing the point of the game. Screw all of that, "This weapon is cheap" Shit. You should find a way to defeat the weapons that you cant help but submit to. or use them yourself. they are there for a reason.
If there are really any unbelievable unbalances, you would hope that infinity ward would fix it.

I can't believe the 3-point shot only counts outside the 3-point line in basketball! Ugh!

The way these pros are playing is like taking away as basketball players sneakers. They make you better when you wear them ...No shit thats why they are there. Nobody cares if you want to play basketball with no shoes. Your not making me do it. >.>

That comparison is broken beyond belief because every basketball player wears sneakers; it creates an even playing field in the sport.

And again, no one's making you do anything. Unless you're good enough to go to these tournaments and want to go to them and even then, you only have to play by those rules in the tournament. It's not like you're bound to some pro gamer honor code when you're pubbing. Are you that good? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Your not as smart as you think you are dude.
That is EXACTLY what I just said. Neither of your points trying to pick apart my posts have made any sense.
I never said anything close to"some people dont wear sneakers in basketball"
And the fact that it makes the game fair is the very point i was trying to point out. but you completely missed that.

And ummm, what is with the "Again" in your second paragraph. Youve gone loopy. You never said anything like that before.
And you see the ">.>"
That means it was all in good fun. Im not serious. A normal person would see that.

If you disagree with me, there is no reason to let me know. I didnt ask for your opinion. This forum is for people to state their opinions. Which I did. But im not the one who asked for an opinion. Because your not changing my mind. Especially by saying what I said and somehow thinking their different.

Im sorry for any misunderstanding. Dont bother replying to this. Im not continuing this pointless conversation.

OT:
A lot of people I know who play on the PC follow very similar rules. I think its more fun with more options, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

[phalanx1234]

Man, I'm already fed up with this game.
There's a guy at work who was disgusted when I said I was at level 8ish. Like actually didn't talk to me for a day disgusted.
He also thinks that people at level 1 shouldn't play... so, anyone who just bought the game.
Pardon some of us for getting ENJOYMENT from a GAME.

That has nothing to do with professional gamers. Professional gamers couldn't give a flying **** what someone's rank is as that is purely for people who want to show off how much time they have played the game.

To someone who previously said that why not start playing CSS again. There isn't the player base.

CoD2 was the best of the CoD series. Once MW2 came out and because everyone was playing it, they were forced no matter how bad the game was to move to it as it attracts more competition then an old game.

Modern Warfare 2 is a lot worse then Modern Warfare but all the people needed to move because that's where the majority of the players went, and to attempt to make the game skilful they remove the things that make the game run & gun.

In professional gaming, the goal is to show how good you are. How does getting a death streak show how skilful you are.

IW are making CoD just for public players now. Instead of making a game bug free and good gameplay, they just add weapons, medals etc. As that makes people feel better once they get it.

. . . so in retrospect, they couldn't stay on their game, AND get mad at people who are playing the newer game for fun?

Where did I say that they get mad at people who are playing for fun? Professional gamers enjoy the game a lot more without all these perks, we enjoy having to use actual skill rather then spray and pray.

Nobody is forcing these rules upon you and the only time that YOU HAVE TO is when playing in a tourney that uses these rules. Any other time you are free to use what you like.

What ever happened to playing for fun?

Exactly. Besides, if you were a soldier fighting an actual battle then there wouldn't be all those crappy rules, so it's unrealistic anyway. And even then, I play games for fun. If MLG leagues want to use those stupid rules then fine, just don't expect me to be following them if a pro ever decides to join my server...

If you were a soldier fighting an actual battle, you would use tactics, you wouldn't run out and start spraying, you wouldn't have unlimited lives, you wouldn't be able to "Quit". It's a game, not an actual battle, stop comparing them.

But they have no interest in forcing "their laws" on you. Where did you read that?

I think he is more referencing people that whine when you play online about someone using a pro-pipe, or a shotgun, or whatever the case may be, and complain about it being cheap and calling anyone who uses them names. They may not have the ability to FORCE it on you, but they will go out of their way to make your experience miserable and degrade you for playing how you want to.

It's called trolling, it's fun. Everyone needs to get over it, it's text.

I don't mind when people set rules for private tournaments.

It's when they start leaking into the base game that gets on my nerves.

So you have a problem with someone playing these rules? When I'm in pub, I will never use any of the weapons. Why? I find the game more enjoyable without them, I also still find it easy to overcome all the other people because they can't aim.

 

[chronobreak]

It's called trolling, it's fun. Everyone needs to get over it, it's text.

I don't think he was trolling, and besides, it isn't allowed on these forums anyways.

 

[Jazzyluv2]

first off, people don't no shit about competitive game design, MW2 from a fun standpoint is good. It's great to run around with retarded set ups, knife only, and all that stupid shit.

I know you may not understand this, but some things in games are SHALLOW AS FUCK and are detrimental to competitive play.

Let's say the banning of said "items" (NEVER TACTICS) "ITEMS" made the game fundamentally more dynamic, more skilled, and more COMPETITIVE.

I know it may come as a shock to you, but often times too much choice in games equals a broken and shallow game. MW2 is damn near the definition of shallow FPS's.

I know the people that can't aim, top frag against people who don't know what they are doing think that all these tools are great. But at higher levels these exploitations and tools can fundamentally break the game to be a detriment to skill, tactics, and strategy.

It's making the game better, getting rid of the gimmick, that is MW2 gameplay.

 

[Tdc2182]

Sports involves exercise. Video games are for recreation

So...you can't have recreational exercise? Or non-physical sports like tournament chess? Really?

Yeah, that is the "apropriate" definition. But that doesn't mean it is an actual "sport". A sport involves some form of strenuous physical activity. In short, it involves working muscle. People who call board games like chess and checkers "sport" are antisociable idiots. Its one of those things that most people have redefined themselves.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

It's making the game better, getting rid of the gimmick, that is MW2 gameplay.

Pretty much. As I've said multiple times in this thread, the goal of professional rule sets is to avoid randomness, promote skilled tactics, and make the playing field as even and fair as possible for everyone. If that means getting rid of cheap tactics such as Scavenger/Claymores or Noob Tubes or Shotguns, then that's what will be removed. I don't think anyone would argue that any of those things require as much skill as using nothing but Stun/Frag and your Primary Weapon.

I also think most people would agree that Pub match strategies like camping with Scavenger and Claymores to build a kill streak are less about skill and more about abusing a cheap class. That's what people try to remove when playing competitively.