After hearing of Osama's death I listened to the America Fuck Yea song....then I went on with my live.
This scare the shit out of anyone else?
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Well you don't know shit about Pakistan. Their intelligence agency, the ISI, is probably 25% al-Qaeda. The last Pakistani politician that would have stood up to al-Qaeda was Bhutto, and look how that turned out.manythings said:
I don't think the celebrations are scary or disgusting, just immature. Say what you will about the hippies, they had the taste not to throw a big party when Ho Chi Minh died.
Personally, anyone who boos any anthem is a terrible person. I'd rather they weren't Canadian (or even exist at all), but we can all have our dreams. That's really a matter of respect. I mainly hear it come from the other end (being Canadian myself; everyone has their bias), and for the most part, we tend to roll with the joke...I honestly can't say I've ever heard an American boo our anthem, though. That's just disgraceful.emeraldrafael said:
As far as health care, that's further proof that every country has its idiots. Sure, it's a few steps above others, but ours is pretty dismal, too.
On the original topic, though, I'll say the same thing I've been muttering every time one of the local radio stations mentions it (working in a kitchen, music breaks the monotony): "A guy died. Why do we care?"
Sure, he wasn't the most stand-up guy in history. Yes, he "admitted" to organizing something particularly nasty, vile, and just plain tragic. Does his death make a difference? Vengeance tends to be bittersweet...his organization doesn't die with him, and you know there's going to be backlash over that. Celebrating it really just cements that, and is honestly in poor taste.
No, believing the U.S. should destroyed makes you a psychopath to the same extent wanting any other country destroyed makes you a psychopath (it does, by the way). You can tell us to screw off all you want.redisforever said:
Ok seriously I am getting sick of this. Its not like we are celebrating the Death of a bunch of Orphans. This was a man who would kill each and everyone of us without a second thought. Besides its more like celebrating the fact his reign of terror is over. Would you call the picture of a sailor and the woman making out in time square after WW 2 medieval? No they are celebrating the fact that Hitler's reign of death over a group of people is over which is what we are doing. Get it?
Firstly, I can understand everybody who says some kind of justice is done by this execution. It just doesn't seem absolutely right to me personally because not one problem has benn solved by this. Maybe it's because I wasn't really affected as a European and wasn't seeking any kind of revenge.
Secondly, I believe that this will be forgotten quite soon, while 9/11 will allways be remembered. So I don't see what should be celebrated. After all it's just a dead body.
Secondly, I believe that this will be forgotten quite soon, while 9/11 will allways be remembered. So I don't see what should be celebrated. After all it's just a dead body.
Wrong people have every right to celebrate an evil being purged from the Earth. Americans don't really have much to celebrate lately so whats wrong with a lil happyness about the world being less 1 very evil man.Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
I love the hipsters who keep saying its sick were celebrating a mans death. Any news is bad news to them and Americans are a terrible people blah blah blah
If the celebration of a brutal terrorist leader responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths "scares people", then those same people should be in a fetal position, crying when the world cup rolls around in Europe.
Seriously, how about everyone steps down from their moral high horse and stop hating on America. The only areas that were even celebrating on the streets were those in Washington DC and New York most likely. I'm only sorry that they didn't torture Osama, instead he got a quick death. A luxury he didn't grant to those who suffered terrorist attacks.
Seriously, how about everyone steps down from their moral high horse and stop hating on America. The only areas that were even celebrating on the streets were those in Washington DC and New York most likely. I'm only sorry that they didn't torture Osama, instead he got a quick death. A luxury he didn't grant to those who suffered terrorist attacks.
Bad comparison.
No war has ended because of his death. Terrorism is still the primary threat. That picture from time square was a celebration of the end of WW2. Osama Bin Laden is one single man.
Also WW2 wan't won because Hitler killed himself. It was won in Europe because whole Germany had been invaded and the Nazi regime collapsed.
No war has ended because of his death. Terrorism is still the primary threat. That picture from time square was a celebration of the end of WW2. Osama Bin Laden is one single man.
Also WW2 wan't won because Hitler killed himself. It was won in Europe because whole Germany had been invaded and the Nazi regime collapsed.
Okay I havent read the whole thread so stop me if you've heard this one but -
I get why people are happy, no trouble with the idea of his death being a good thing. But why is the whole nation so interested? Over here in england no-one gives a curseword. Yea it wasnt as dramatic and televised but there was a major tube bombing here amongst other things terrosim has directly lead to. But really the guy hasnt done much major apart from run and hide for a while now, its not like terrorism will end with him - for all we know it could be galvanised (possibly the wrong word). I get why people are celebrating, i dont get why everyone is celebrating so hard
Especially after reading that article from russ, i find it very worrying that the entirety of the USA can get so roped into this. I can't see any other reason for it other than the madly brainwashed patriotism that america seems to have. Thats what worrys me. If someone actually in america could clear things up for me that would be good and stuff. Bear in mind i have read a chunk of this thread aswell..
I get why people are happy, no trouble with the idea of his death being a good thing. But why is the whole nation so interested? Over here in england no-one gives a curseword. Yea it wasnt as dramatic and televised but there was a major tube bombing here amongst other things terrosim has directly lead to. But really the guy hasnt done much major apart from run and hide for a while now, its not like terrorism will end with him - for all we know it could be galvanised (possibly the wrong word). I get why people are celebrating, i dont get why everyone is celebrating so hard
Especially after reading that article from russ, i find it very worrying that the entirety of the USA can get so roped into this. I can't see any other reason for it other than the madly brainwashed patriotism that america seems to have. Thats what worrys me. If someone actually in america could clear things up for me that would be good and stuff. Bear in mind i have read a chunk of this thread aswell..
Well go ahead and give your acceptance speech, because you just won the Pretentious Award for Pretentiousness on the Internet. I may have removed a few words from your plaque to protect myself from moderation. I won't tell you the award's full name, but a word that rhymes with "stick" was definitely in there somewhere.Andothul said:
1. I AM an American, and I think we're a pretty great group of people.
2. I think hipsters are the scum of the earth and
3. I like to think I'm pretty optimistic. I think it's great he's dead, but it's still tacky to be cheering about it in the streets. That's all.
Seeing as I dont believe in the death penalty in any case (in any circumstances)... But that aside, wanting revenge comes from a base human instinct to get your own back, its petty and childish. And yes I certainly would argue with families of any of the victims that just because a man indirectly caused the death of their relative, that does not give them the right to have their 'revenge' as your suggesting.Kadoodle said:
Fire with fire and the whole world will burn im afraid (and we'll be blind on top of that), and if your really arguing tit for tat you have just justified another terrorist attack on your country, works both ways.The Incredible Bulk said:
Exactly, is there anything civilized about waving flags over a man's death? (and I dont know where your got your definition of 'medieval' from but that is one hell of a generalization you've got there).maturin said:
You're absolutely right, go put some flowers on his grave.ShakyFiend said:So, Osama, Ok death of a international hate figure aside etc etc if anyone deserved it he did and so on, thats not what worries me. (although isnt it a bit odd how the US can stroll into a country and execute who they like?)
The troubling thing is thisand
and to be honest, this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/editors_note/8844-Editors-Note-Better-Than-Before] as well which is what prompted this thread.
And this is happening all over the US, people are actively celebrating killing a guy? Does that not seem a bit medieval to anyone else? When people turn out in their thousands to celebrate something like this it justs worries me like hell.
Anyone else? Or are you all patriotic Americans and whatnot?
Frankly I don't think it's a huge win, but at the same time it's nice to see Americans are so happy about it, they've been after him long enough and they've finally got him.
My question is why do you care? That they're celebrating his death? Many people recognize him as the figurehead or embodiment of terrorism everywhere, if they've been affected by it (and I assume you would be hard pressed to find an American who hasn't) then a little cheering seems appropriate.
I also like how you say "Anyone else? Or are you all patriotic americans and whatnot?" I suppose the whatnot gives you a bit of leeway, but it's either their side or yours?
It worries me, to be quite honest.
We spent 10 years, many good American lives, and countless dollars in resources to find and kill a man. Pay close attention to that: a man. "A" meaning singular, and "man" meaning individual.
We've done next to nothing about the ideas that led him and others like him to commit atrocities. His ideas still survive him. Someone will take his place. Things will inevitably escalate out of proportion.
When I think about it that way, it becomes readily apparent to me that we didn't win. We lost. We freaking lost.
I ask myself, "how much did we invest in this venture?" Whatever it was, it can't have been less than our opposition. Compared to previous wars, this venture wasn't particularly bloody, but many good people lost their lives regardless. If even half of what we used to get this guy were used for some other purpose, I can't help but wonder if our economy would have been different... Probably not, but who knows? Ifs and buts being candy and nuts and all... Wait, ifs and buts aren't candy and nuts...
10 years after the incident that made us take notice, we're still "vigilant." Our security measures increased rather than decreased due to the inevitable arms race that resulted from increased security. Our personal freedoms have been diminished, and yet we are no safer now than we were 10 years ago. We will be asked to give up more in the name of protection from a vague threat somewhere, and like sheep we will acquiesce.
Hatred boils beneath the veneer of our "union," and it is only a matter of time until that manifests itself as something unsightly. We see little bubbles here and there like water boiling beneath the layer of oil in a rewarmed stew. Things that get blown out of proportion are accepted as truth, and things not sensational enough swept under the rug.
Yet, I can't help but wonder if there couldn't have been another way? After all, what happened 10 years ago was partially a bite in the butt from actions we took much earlier. We more-or-less created our monster, after all.
We knew that he couldn't be reasoned with. We know that we can't be reasoned with. So, it just became the classic game between two unreasonable parties. It's the way of our world. And, it's really saddening.
Thinking on all of this has made me realize that the world we live in is woefully archaic. Our world is composed of "us and them," but we fail to realize that we ARE them. Things as they are cannot continue forever, and will inevitably collapse. Maybe that's not a bad thing. You can only renovate an old structure so much before it becomes apparent that it is obsolete. The longer you keep trying to save that structure, the more it will cost; and it would have been cheaper to just let it fall and build something else. But, that's hindsight.
The man's death brings me no more happiness than his life -- and no more sorrow just the same. It has caused me to reflect on things, however. I've concluded that the best thing I can do is live my life the way I want to the best of my ability. The world goes on without him -- just as it will go on without us. C'est la vie... Good god, I hope I spelled that right...
We spent 10 years, many good American lives, and countless dollars in resources to find and kill a man. Pay close attention to that: a man. "A" meaning singular, and "man" meaning individual.
We've done next to nothing about the ideas that led him and others like him to commit atrocities. His ideas still survive him. Someone will take his place. Things will inevitably escalate out of proportion.
When I think about it that way, it becomes readily apparent to me that we didn't win. We lost. We freaking lost.
I ask myself, "how much did we invest in this venture?" Whatever it was, it can't have been less than our opposition. Compared to previous wars, this venture wasn't particularly bloody, but many good people lost their lives regardless. If even half of what we used to get this guy were used for some other purpose, I can't help but wonder if our economy would have been different... Probably not, but who knows? Ifs and buts being candy and nuts and all... Wait, ifs and buts aren't candy and nuts...
10 years after the incident that made us take notice, we're still "vigilant." Our security measures increased rather than decreased due to the inevitable arms race that resulted from increased security. Our personal freedoms have been diminished, and yet we are no safer now than we were 10 years ago. We will be asked to give up more in the name of protection from a vague threat somewhere, and like sheep we will acquiesce.
Hatred boils beneath the veneer of our "union," and it is only a matter of time until that manifests itself as something unsightly. We see little bubbles here and there like water boiling beneath the layer of oil in a rewarmed stew. Things that get blown out of proportion are accepted as truth, and things not sensational enough swept under the rug.
Yet, I can't help but wonder if there couldn't have been another way? After all, what happened 10 years ago was partially a bite in the butt from actions we took much earlier. We more-or-less created our monster, after all.
We knew that he couldn't be reasoned with. We know that we can't be reasoned with. So, it just became the classic game between two unreasonable parties. It's the way of our world. And, it's really saddening.
Thinking on all of this has made me realize that the world we live in is woefully archaic. Our world is composed of "us and them," but we fail to realize that we ARE them. Things as they are cannot continue forever, and will inevitably collapse. Maybe that's not a bad thing. You can only renovate an old structure so much before it becomes apparent that it is obsolete. The longer you keep trying to save that structure, the more it will cost; and it would have been cheaper to just let it fall and build something else. But, that's hindsight.
The man's death brings me no more happiness than his life -- and no more sorrow just the same. It has caused me to reflect on things, however. I've concluded that the best thing I can do is live my life the way I want to the best of my ability. The world goes on without him -- just as it will go on without us. C'est la vie... Good god, I hope I spelled that right...