This scare the shit out of anyone else?

[Spade Lead]

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I am heading to bed. There was maybe one quote that would have swayed the argument, wielded in the proper way...

"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

~Joseph Stalin

I for one do not mourn that one man, but all those deaths that have occurred since he took on the role of terrorist all those years ago...

He was an evil asshole and he had it coming. We all catch it from fate in our own way. He caught his, and it couldn't have happened soon enough. He made the world a worse place, and now he doesn't.

 

[Hainted]

Inmy opinion as soon as the towers fell we should have turned Afghanistan into a nuclear parking lot with a few well placed missles and dared anyone to say shit about it.Then we wouldn't still be over there now,AND we would have stayed out of Iraq,where we shouldn't have ever gone in the first place.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

And this is happening all over the US, people are actively celebrating killing a guy? Does that not seem a bit medieval to anyone else? When people turn out in their thousands to celebrate something like this it justs worries me like hell.

Why? Regardless of what he actually was, for many Americans he was the face of the enemy. He was the one that managed to elude us (publicly) for decades. A guy who claimed responsibility for most of the major terrorist attack against US Citizens in the last two decades. The guy that most of us figured we were going to war to catch in the first place. If you can't understand why his death might be celebrated then I honestly have to wonder just how in touch with the world you really are.

It isn't as though this sort of thing is common; indeed it certainly qualifies as extraordinary. Even when Saddam Hussein was executed most Americans barely registered it.

 

[LitleWaffle]

We are just begging for another attack similar to 9/11

Listen man what we doing before we killed Bin Laden was enough for them to want to kill us, they've promised retaliation so many times after we killed their top leaders and nothing we're doing is asking to be killed.

As I said earlier, we are taunting these groups much more with the death of Osama bin Laden than we have with any other of their leaders killed.

Most people I know do not know what is going on over there. I can sum it up.

1. We are over there with troops
2. We Killed Saddam Hussein
3. We haven't left yet
4.(Until Recently) Osama bin Laden is somewhere in a cave planning another attack or something

Go ahead and ask random people on the street if they know the names of the other leaders we killed.(I don't know them either)

My point is that this time when we killed their leader, we are being a huge taunting dick country about it. And the fact that we are being a huge taunting dick is more of an effort of begging for another attack upon the United States.

Your last sentence bugs me, due to your almost unbearable lack of logic. What we have been doing makes them want to kill us. Yes. So killing another leader and then taunting about it isn't asking us to be killed even though just killing one of their top leaders was enough to promise them killing us? What?

 

[rmb1983]

How do you respond:

A) You say "Ok, cool" and go about your life. Your friends are still dead.

B) You celebrate the death of a threat NOT the death of a human being. Your friends stay dead.

C) You say "They should have let more people die (cops) and tried to arrest the bastard. He could have blown himself up and killed more cops but oh well, everybody deserves a trial!"

See, this is exactly the issue with having some sort of grandiose celebration for this. This is NOT the death of a threat, only the death of a single man. Everyone else in his entire organization believes the exact same thing as him, and there'll be a good handful that could easily replace him.
I even have first-hand experience of this scenario on a much smaller scale. Did I go out and celebrate because the man was dead? No. I was glad he was dead, thrilled even, but I moved on.

And C) is just categorically untrue. I'd personally prefer that he had been taken alive so that he could spend some time suffering for his crime. I'm sure fellow inmates in any prison would be more than happy to "welcome" him. Alas, it likely isn't a good idea in the end, though, because then there'd potentially be breakout attempts, etc, etc, etc.

As one paper's cartoon put it (me agreeing with part of a newspaper!), killing Bin Laden was like lopping a head from a hydra, there's far more willing to spring up to take his place, just that now they're going to be even more pissed.

While it certainly doesn't surprise me that the news is blowing everything out of proportion, this is honestly the best metaphor I've seen in the past five years.

 

[Sieggy]

As long as we are humans, it will happen. It's human nature. Different religion, different belief, but on the lowest tier of the matter we are still gagged and bounded to these responses. Education helps, but not when the crowd's huge.

 

[rmb1983]

While I understand that it's considered "wrong" to celebrate someone's death (Also you guys are turning this into a anti-America thread. May I remind you guys of Hitler?) and how this guy is a human being, think about this. When you claim responsibility to orchestrating an event that killed thousands of people including women and children. Then any respect you had as a human being is gone. It's gone. I mentioned earlier about Hitler didn't I? I imagine you Europeans were quite happy when he died weren't you? Before you ***** about WW2 I'll say that Russia would've fucked you guys over if it wasn't for America. I'm saying that if you guys celebrate the death of Hitler, a man who caused mass genocide, then I think America is well justified in celebrating Osama's death.

Note that everyone volunteers for the military in America too. I won't stand for people going Anti-America just because it's America doing it that's prejudice. If you wouldn't want people doing it to you then you shouldn't say anything either. That is all.

People didn't celebrate the death of Hitler, they celebrated the fall of the Axis power, and being able to return home because the war had ended. Hitler killing himself was just another nail in the coffin; the Axis power was already collapsing in on itself.

This thread (and while that's not necessarily the case, because people tend to generalize at times) is not supposed to be "Anti-America", simply "Anti-people-who-use-bad-guy-dead-as-an-excuse-to-act-like-it's-Spring-Break". We're all thrilled he's dead, but it doesn't end the war or their organization, so we move on.

You want celebration? When couples celebrate because their significant other has returned home, and a war is at an end, then yes, by all means.
Celebrating because one person was killed? Poor form. Nevermind that it's statistically absurd. One man against tens of thousands? Bravo.

 

[rmb1983]

You're expecting moral sense from....Americans? They can't even work out why half the world hates them. Even in a Western nation myself, I've never met anyone who doesn't automatically think American=amoral-imperialists-with-subpar-education.

Idiots, passionate or otherwise, exist in all corners of the world. Their public, by-and-large, is not.
Need we be reminded of this? [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.263498-Kid-Rings-Up-1700-Xbox-Live-Bill-Mom-Blames-Microsoft?page=1]

Again, Canadian. And one who grew up in a border city. And that city was Windsor (across from Detroit, of all places). One might be inclined to think I would be predisposed to a very ignorant bias. Yet, here we are.

The point is that anyone celebrating the death of a single person (no matter who they are) like it's just another excuse for an all-out bender, especially when said death really accomplishes nothing? Taking joy in a victory, no matter how small, is just fine. Celebrating in the streets when a war has ended is understandable. Partying over this...a little on the barbaric side of the spectrum.

Edit: That wasn't meant to harp on anyone in Detroit, but it does tend to not be the greatest of places, by association. Particularly when its residents tripled our homicide rates. It tends to leave a bitter taste.

 

[michiehoward]

Read this quote yesterday in the paper, can't remember who it was but he said.

"Its almost never alright to celebrate someone's death. Almost."

I got a rather huge chuckle at that.

Secondly, as I think I said on these forums yesterday, I'm not necessarily happy he's dead, but I am rather joyous that from that day forth there is no chance I will ever share the same oxygen with him.

I really wonder if this generation (16-20 yrs old today) were around in 1945, would there be the group of you were around for this

Would you pop up and say "OMG thats disgusting, how can you celebrate?"

 

[DoctorPhil]

No one cares that an innocent woman died during the shooting, as long as the bad guy's dead it's justified apparently and people keep celebrating. I think that's childish, but hey, that's America for ya.
It's also kind of weird to think the bad guys are the underdogs. In fiction the good guys are always the underdogs. The good guys can instantly assasinate you as soon as they know where you are. Isn't it odd to celebrate a victory over someone who never even stood a ghost of a chance in the first place?
Well, hopefully this will boost the morale of the US citizens, making them work harder, thereby boosting the US economy wich is in deep shit.
I'm happy he's dead (and sorry that woman died), but celebrating it is just too much. The good guys should have the moral highground, celebrating one guy's meaningless death is not good guy behavior.

Read this quote yesterday in the paper, can't remember who it was but he said.

"Its almost never alright to celebrate someone's death. Almost."

I got a rather huge chuckle at that.

Secondly, as I think I said on these forums yesterday, I'm not necessarily happy he's dead, but I am rather joyous that from that day forth there is no chance I will ever share the same oxygen with him.

I really wonder if this generation (16-20 yrs old today) were around in 1945, would there be the group of you were around for this

Would you pop up and say "OMG thats disgusting, how can you celebrate?"

Then we would be celebrating freaking world war 2 being over. Osama's death changes nothing, in fact, it might make matters worse.

 

[ShakyFiend]

As long as we are humans, it will happen. It's human nature. Different religion, different belief, but on the lowest tier of the matter we are still gagged and bounded to these responses. Education helps, but not when the crowd's huge.

Rutting like pigs, and stabbing anyone who looks at you funny is human nature, unfortunately that does not make it morally viable.

 

[rmb1983]

As long as we are humans, it will happen. It's human nature. Different religion, different belief, but on the lowest tier of the matter we are still gagged and bounded to these responses. Education helps, but not when the crowd's huge.

Rutting like pigs, and stabbing anyone who looks at you funny is human nature, unfortunately that does not make it morally viable.

Now, now...don't start judging on the rutting!

Christ, that made me laugh. Lack of sleep may or may not be a factor.

 

[Yureina]

I am not celebrating, but I understand, to some extent, whose who are. I won't berate them too much for such actions. Having a vague connection to 9/11 (my uncle was on a planeride on that day leaving New York, which worried the hell out of my family until he called after his plane got grounded), I do have some satisfaction that this bastard is dead. But I am not going to go dance in the streets. A smile is good enough for me.

 

[Sieggy]

As long as we are humans, it will happen. It's human nature. Different religion, different belief, but on the lowest tier of the matter we are still gagged and bounded to these responses. Education helps, but not when the crowd's huge.

Rutting like pigs, and stabbing anyone who looks at you funny is human nature, unfortunately that does not make it morally viable.

I never said it was, what I meant is that we can't fix this. Stop people celebrating and you're a pro-Islam, if you're don't then you're 'just as bad as them'.

 

[Joker7]

This whole terrorist thing has been overplayed since 911, it's an excuse to keep the sheep scared and in-line so the powers that be can do whatever they want.

like taking away our rights, breaking international laws and setting up Nazi style detainment camps.

 

[Popido]

Would you pop up and say "OMG thats disgusting, how can you celebrate?"

I see a soldier that returned from war.

You now have a war to end with no icons of Evil to comfort you. Good luck.