Trailers: Warhammer 40k: Space Marine: Combat System
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Bolt pistols and bolters are both only Semi-automatic, but can fire bursts of two. The heavy bolter, on the other hand, is fully automatic, though it doesn't fire at the rate of, say, a heavy machine gun irl.Namewithheld said:
So... it's Dynasty Warriors: 40k?
Sorry, just not interested. Unless you're playing as a Space Marine Chapter Master (someone like Marneus Calgar or Commander Dante) this game concept just does not work. A Space Marine is a mighty warrior, sure, but single marines don't cleave through entire armies single-handedly. Look at those early fight scenes with the orks, they're just standing around kung-fu-movie-mook style while he cuts them down, only a few trying to attack him at once. If this was REAL Warhammer 40k they would have dogpiled all over him and torn him apart in seconds.
The essence of 40k is that it is savage, brutal and meaningless; ANYONE can die and they do so in droves. Having a single space marine cleave through entire armies of orks and chaos marines (who are supposed to be roughly the equals of the space marines) devalues their entire races as opponents. This is why 40k is great for strategy games like Dawn of War where units on both sides die in droves, but is just implausible for games where you control a single character and are expected to conquer and survive, like this and Fire Warrior (of course, Fire Warrior had the additional problem of just being plain rubbish).
Sorry, just not interested. Unless you're playing as a Space Marine Chapter Master (someone like Marneus Calgar or Commander Dante) this game concept just does not work. A Space Marine is a mighty warrior, sure, but single marines don't cleave through entire armies single-handedly. Look at those early fight scenes with the orks, they're just standing around kung-fu-movie-mook style while he cuts them down, only a few trying to attack him at once. If this was REAL Warhammer 40k they would have dogpiled all over him and torn him apart in seconds.
The essence of 40k is that it is savage, brutal and meaningless; ANYONE can die and they do so in droves. Having a single space marine cleave through entire armies of orks and chaos marines (who are supposed to be roughly the equals of the space marines) devalues their entire races as opponents. This is why 40k is great for strategy games like Dawn of War where units on both sides die in droves, but is just implausible for games where you control a single character and are expected to conquer and survive, like this and Fire Warrior (of course, Fire Warrior had the additional problem of just being plain rubbish).
I doubt it - one of the things they mentioned in the video was that they wanted the player to be able to seemlessly swap between melee and ranged.Samnite said:
Or do you mean the specific weapons the Marine's carrying? Like choosing a bolter at the start of the mission and not being able to swap it out for a plasma gun or meltagun for a while?
They've got those as pre-order bonuses, Gamestop gets you chapter skins of the Space Wolves and Black Templars, Steam gets you Blood Ravens and BestBuy gets you Iron Warriors and Emperor's Children (yep, Traitor Legions).teebeeohh said:
The game certainly looks pretty and I think it'll probably do well when it ships. Although I am sad that they haven't demonstrated any of the 'RPG' elements they were originally talking about.
Another quibble is that, as stated before by Canadish, that the Chaos Marines don't seem to be all that powerful, and if Chaos Marines are one thing other than bat-shit bonkers then it is powerful. They seem to have made the Chaos Marines not even slightly up to the standard of the Ultrasmurfs which is, in my opinion just turning this game into a generic experience where you can cut through entire hordes with ease and then only moderately tougher 'boss' battles.
Either way though, it still looks shiney enough to warrant the possibility of a purchase from me, lets hope what I said before is disproven when it is released, and now that I have seen what the combat is like, and it is good and visceral just like it is in the 40K lore, it might just be starting to turn things around already for me.
One thing missing though..... TYRANIDS!
Another quibble is that, as stated before by Canadish, that the Chaos Marines don't seem to be all that powerful, and if Chaos Marines are one thing other than bat-shit bonkers then it is powerful. They seem to have made the Chaos Marines not even slightly up to the standard of the Ultrasmurfs which is, in my opinion just turning this game into a generic experience where you can cut through entire hordes with ease and then only moderately tougher 'boss' battles.
Either way though, it still looks shiney enough to warrant the possibility of a purchase from me, lets hope what I said before is disproven when it is released, and now that I have seen what the combat is like, and it is good and visceral just like it is in the 40K lore, it might just be starting to turn things around already for me.
One thing missing though..... TYRANIDS!
or indeed, as Commissar Ciaphas Cain.ragestreet said:
Blood Ravens?! By Horus, why? Nobody likes them!teebeeohh said:
I hope it's not literally all mob-murdering,.. but this vid was about the combat system.
I'm sure there are exploration bits, story bits, some ubiquitous RPG elements and at least three turret-on-moving-vehicle segments.
Also, I vote for 4 player co-op (and not just some lame survival mode)
I'm sure there are exploration bits, story bits, some ubiquitous RPG elements and at least three turret-on-moving-vehicle segments.
Also, I vote for 4 player co-op (and not just some lame survival mode)
Only because they're hilariously nerfed for tabletop. In real 40k all those orks would rush him at once (probably fighting each other to 'ave a go first) and then he would kill all of them.Arcane Azmadi said:
Yes, I believe they released rules for the movie/lore marines once. You got like 5 for the cost of an army.GloatingSwine said:
according to the thq website, its only for MP that you can use the reskins, and he got the listings wrong, at least for here in the UK, might be different in other countries, here, I'll post a link.teebeeohh said:
http://www.thq.com/uk/gamenews/show/15273/5386/ just read that news feature 