I honestly think it looks great. I've played the old ones and I'm looking forward to this one. Everyone else can ***** and moan about it not being copy pasted from the old ones, but seriously it looks like it has some great potential.
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I'm pretty sure that this would sell even better if it removed the name, because it looks hella' fun. What's going to hurts its sales are the XCOM fans yelling about how "this isn't XCOM!".The_root_of_all_evil said:
You know, I'm a diehard Fallout-fan, and even though I felt Fallout 3 was sort of shite compared to the original (you know, because it wasn't turn-based and strategic combat - Somethings I hear original XCOM was too) I realized that I can't force gaming-companies to devolve 15 years back in time, and that if you want to just have the same old game, you should get a third-party developer to make another mod for the old XCOM.
They still make mods for Morrowind, you know? And with plenty of other old games.
The_root_of_all_evil said:
I'm pretty sure that this would sell even better if it removed the name, because it looks hella' fun. What's going to hurts its sales are the XCOM fans yelling about how "this isn't XCOM!".
You know, I'm a diehard Fallout-fan, and even though I felt Fallout 3 was sort of shite compared to the original (you know, because it wasn't turn-based and strategic combat - Somethings I hear original XCOM was too) I realized that I can't force gaming-companies to devolve 15 years back in time, and that if you want to just have the same old game, you should get a third-party developer to make another mod for the old XCOM.
They still make mods for Morrowind, you know? And with plenty of other old games.
Looks like they still don't understand what makes an x-com game.
Scripted combat? blech.
Scripted missions? blech.
It seems the only choice is "turret now or research later".
The point of X-com is to have suicide grenade rookie run into the UFO and explode all over the aliens. This is more like (as others have said) mass effect with a new skin.
Now, I'm not saying its a bad game, it looks moderately fun. But I'm not buying it for fear of encouraging more people to spit on the X-com franchise.
Scripted combat? blech.
Scripted missions? blech.
It seems the only choice is "turret now or research later".
The point of X-com is to have suicide grenade rookie run into the UFO and explode all over the aliens. This is more like (as others have said) mass effect with a new skin.
Now, I'm not saying its a bad game, it looks moderately fun. But I'm not buying it for fear of encouraging more people to spit on the X-com franchise.
Modern game design isn't the problem with Oblivon and Fallout 3, it's bad writing and poor choices on what to "fix" in general. Morrowind and the old Fallouts have their problems but Oblivion didn't fix any of Morrowinds real issues beyond being able to use magic and weapons at the same time, it just made things generally worse. Fallout 3 was a bunch of random, disconnected setpieces that had nothing to do with the old games or even with each other. New Vegas proved that you COULD make a modern Fallout game in a different style but preserve the spirit, setting, and style of the original.Realitycrash said:
This, on the other hand, doesn't even reach Oblivion's level. It has literally NOTHING to do with Xcom. You could make a decent RPG/FPS out of Xcom, or you could make a new turn based strategy title that actually fixes a lot of the old game's balance and interface issues. NOPE let's slap that name on something unrelated, how professional.
Problem is that I don't think game-designers consider "turn-based combat" to be something that people want nowdays, outside of Final Fantasy and certain strategic-games (Civilization comes to mind).FredTheUndead said:
I wouldn't mind seeing more of it, rly, but what bothers you is that the setting has been changed, yes?
It doesn't look...bad.
Sure, it has very little to do with the original X-Com, other than the name and a few recognizable words, (i.e. Elerium) but it still looks pretty fun.
I do wish that instead of "The Outsiders", they had kept the aliens from the original X-Com in it, like Sectoids or even Floaters, but it still looks pretty fun.
Sure, it has very little to do with the original X-Com, other than the name and a few recognizable words, (i.e. Elerium) but it still looks pretty fun.
I do wish that instead of "The Outsiders", they had kept the aliens from the original X-Com in it, like Sectoids or even Floaters, but it still looks pretty fun.
I can't get my mind aorund how a company can set their mind to do stuff like this.
The crowd that enjoyed X-com wanted strategy, a challenge and a race against time and a strong enemy. X-com: apocalypse showed, that the game could go from TBS to RTS with no problem. And even though Hasbro made a couple of bad releases - it was still in the RTS genre.
While the setting and enemies seem interresting. The gameplay will most likely be just as dull and repetitive as mass effect.
I agree with others in this thread, who point out that the game would have even bigger potential if it came w/o the xcom brand.
I guess devs can only come up with CBS these days - something simple for the console 2.0 generation, that needs a quick fix and shys away from any game with depth.
The crowd that enjoyed X-com wanted strategy, a challenge and a race against time and a strong enemy. X-com: apocalypse showed, that the game could go from TBS to RTS with no problem. And even though Hasbro made a couple of bad releases - it was still in the RTS genre.
While the setting and enemies seem interresting. The gameplay will most likely be just as dull and repetitive as mass effect.
I agree with others in this thread, who point out that the game would have even bigger potential if it came w/o the xcom brand.
I guess devs can only come up with CBS these days - something simple for the console 2.0 generation, that needs a quick fix and shys away from any game with depth.
Unfortunately the internet still isn't capable of transporting the layer of sarcasm, thick enough to suffocate a grown man, that was originally included in my earlier post.Chaos Marine said:
Civ does well, Fire Emblem usually does fairly, Paradox has a steady fanbase, there's still plenty of turn based games that do well. You could make a new Xcom game and fix up the clunky, outdated issues with the old one, it'd just need the right marketing, same as anything else. They instead opted to attach the name to something unrelated. It's really an offense on many levels.Realitycrash said:
I suppose that's the issue in the end, how this game "feels" to people when they see it and play it. How it feels to me is that this game is a decent, though... uninspired American-centric game set in a time period people like.
Is there anybody, *anybody* in the whole world who knows what X-COM is and would buy this game? I mean I can think of two distinct classes of people: Strategy fans who loved the original X-COM, and people who play first-person shooters. There. Is. No. Overlap!
I mean, granted, it worked for Fallout 3, but that's because Fallout 3 had a whole bunch of world-building to fall back on, and, oh yeah, Bethesda kept the original aesthetic!
They might as well make a Minecraft sequel using the Unreal Engine where you lug machine guns onto dig sites and use them to shoot skeletons, only with no pixels, blocks, digging, or crafting. You know, a real spiritual successor!
I mean, granted, it worked for Fallout 3, but that's because Fallout 3 had a whole bunch of world-building to fall back on, and, oh yeah, Bethesda kept the original aesthetic!
They might as well make a Minecraft sequel using the Unreal Engine where you lug machine guns onto dig sites and use them to shoot skeletons, only with no pixels, blocks, digging, or crafting. You know, a real spiritual successor!
Okay, I can see where they're coming from a little more..
The destructible scenery is a nice touch, even if you know it's going to be horribly limited. The idea of extending research in an FPS beyond the system shock paradigm, even very, very slightly, has my approval. But you could have done all these things in an original franchise and we wouldn't be calling it a spiritual successor to X-Com even if you executed it perfectly.
It's just exploitative marketing. Noone likes exploitative marketing.
The destructible scenery is a nice touch, even if you know it's going to be horribly limited. The idea of extending research in an FPS beyond the system shock paradigm, even very, very slightly, has my approval. But you could have done all these things in an original franchise and we wouldn't be calling it a spiritual successor to X-Com even if you executed it perfectly.
It's just exploitative marketing. Noone likes exploitative marketing.
Could be really good -- I still prefer healthpacks to regen though. Seems lots of people do.
So they're saying this is X-COM revisioned as a hybrid between Mass Effect and Pokémon, with an X-COMmy part with the research/rpg bits between. If that's true, and it actually is what they say it is, then it sounds great to me!
So they're saying this is X-COM revisioned as a hybrid between Mass Effect and Pokémon, with an X-COMmy part with the research/rpg bits between. If that's true, and it actually is what they say it is, then it sounds great to me!
Honestly they have a damned good point. You shouldn't have had the entire range of the world to pick from for your first base in X-COM, that's a bad way to start the game. A better design decision would have been to give a number of locations that you could pick from all of which would have had their pros and cons instead of risking a starting player putting their base in the arctic and then wondering why they never saw aliens on their radar.Enkidu88 said:
Likewise some of the weapons were just plain junk, for example pistols. Who uses those? You might as well use laser rifles or heavy plasmas. If you have a weapon in the game, make sure it fills a niche. A good chunk of the weapons in X-COM didn't because there were options that were obviously superior despite becoming available at the same time.
Likewise a combat tutorial would have been useful when starting the game. With important suggestions like, "Remember to have soldiers look left and right when entering a room, because there might be an alien standing right next to the door."
Note: For the record I only beat the game on easy, but I stand by my choice to use laser rifles and heavy plasmas almost exclusively because when you first fight ethereals laser rifles don't pack enough punch to kill your own guys in one shot due to armor, but they do a number on those mind controlling alien bastards.
You kinda missed the whole point I was trying to make.JoesshittyOs said:
The devs keep digging themselves into a deeper hole with every attempt they try to make to justify this "reboot". They need to come clean and say they wanted to make another shooter and the marketing department said it was a good idea to recycle an old IP and the share holders thought X-Com would be a good candidate because its old school and the originals sold well on Steam.