Twitch removes famous emote

[Dwarvenhobble]

Twitch has been and still is ridiculous with its enforcement of its own dumb rules so I agree with the premise, BUT not with the examples.

Totalbiscuit was redeemed. His edgier days were behind him (in fact he had died at that point) when his already popular emote was added by Twitch. Gootecks hasn't been relevant since Capcom tore SF to the ground and that's the thing: Gootecks' output since than has been conspiracy bullshit. He doesn't give a fuck. Twitch is being pre-emptive here, and playing it safe knowing how it could be spun by trash online media later.

The Alinity hatewagon ("animal abuse! take away her cats! also she fucks her dog!") was stupid to begin with and Twitch doesn't deal a straight permaban for any "NSFW flashes" that a streamer might do. AFAIK, this is more or less consistent. I do agree that Twitch does bend and dictate its rules and policies so that their favorite hunnies stay. Which brings us to the newest TOS additions (no commenting on sexual history or morality), but that was already discussed in the other thread.

Well I know the person who started the call for removal of the emote was a certain person who claimed she should get given an Xbox Series X and PS5 because she's black (also Free vodka and now a coffee machine too). I do wonder how much a certain deer girl may have played in pushing the decision too.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Media is a two-way process. It is both informed by society and informs society. People create media and it changes how other people think, and that feeds back into media, and so on.

It can do by making people seen or try to show them other viewspoints.

However that's not how the people calling for change thing it will change. They think the only way to change the world is eliminate all media showing anything they don't like and only have media allowed that shows what they do want the world to be like, very similar to how the old Hays Code tried to work with films pushing only good moral values, and well that didn't shape society to eliminate all violence and make everyone super moral virtuous people. Hell they even re-edited and changed old films too. Before that groups like The Council of Trent tried covering up all renaissance statues to stop people being immoral and again it didn't cause society to be all pious saintly people.

Yes, you can exercise control over people with media. If propaganda didn't work, it would have stopped being used a long time ago.

Problem is it's only so effective and you need it basically reinforced by society one way or another. You can break most of the power of it by just pointing out how it works.

 

[McElroy]

Well I know the person who started the call for removal of the emote was a certain person who claimed she should get given an Xbox Series X and PS5 because she's black (also Free vodka and now a coffee machine too). I do wonder how much a certain deer girl may have played in pushing the decision too.

The summit of the trash pile then.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Problem is it's only so effective and you need it basically reinforced by society one way or another. You can break most of the power of it by just pointing out how it works.

looks at state of US media and politics

No.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

looks at state of US media and politics

No.

Well looking at US media and politics. There aren't options being presented to the same extent to both sides.

Other than Fox news there isn't really much, maybe Blaze TV or something nuts like that but Fox is the main news source for one side while the other has a larger range of sources from not very leaning at all to very far leaning ones all of which are fairly well known.

Can't break the cycle if there's only 1 news source in any way seen as on their side on TV.

If you looked at some sources nothing bad happened at Evergreen state university. While Fox reported on it. Yes Fox ignores other stuff and reported on it just due to being in it's own interest but it shows part of the issue with trust in the end in media.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Well looking at US media and politics. There aren't options being presented to the same extent to both sides.

What does any of your post have to do with "You can break most of the power of [propaganda] by just pointing out how it works"? Herman and Chomsky pointed out how it works 32 years ago. It kept working with more or less the same power.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Company removes image of a "celebrity" they no longer wish to be associated with due to controversial or differing stances in public eye.

Welcome to any form of promotional tie in for the last 40 years.

Companies are not obligated to maintain connections with people who they dont want to represent them. Shared marketing images, promotional material or branding deals will be revoked when this occurs.

Stop trying to present the literal status quo for decades as some arm of a new trendy culture war.

Yeh but before you had to have cheated on your wife them smashed by a car with a golf club or equally slightly more over the top things.

Now if you echo even a mild sentiment people disagree with you're out. Well unless you're Amber Heard anyway.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

What does any of your post have to do with "You can break most of the power of [propaganda] by just pointing out how it works"? Herman and Chomsky pointed out how it works 32 years ago. It kept working with more or less the same power.

Because you need some-one they believe is trustworthy to break the power quite often

Who are the Trump lot supposed to trust?

Media sites they've know and have seen lie to them?

People online celebrating their deaths?

 

[Agema]

Other than Fox news there isn't really much, maybe Blaze TV or something nuts like that but Fox is the main news source for one side while the other has a larger range of sources from not very leaning at all to very far leaning ones all of which are fairly well known.

I think you''re a bit confused here. There are three major cable news networks - Fox, CNN, MSNBC. But remember that there are the non-cable broadcasters (e.g. NBC, ABC, CBS), which is the television news an awful lot of Americans watch. Removing Fox, virtually every single one of those is determinedly centreist. There is only one likely to be regarded as left (outside the right wing crazies, who think anything left of Fox is left-wing bias) and that's MSNBC.

One might point out there's a huge tail of ultra-crazy catered to in the US right wing. But if you think about the US lefties (for instance on this forum) and by extension the millions more they represent out in the USA, I don't think there's a single TV news channel or show you could name that reflects them.

If you looked at some sources nothing bad happened at Evergreen state university. While Fox reported on it. Yes Fox ignores other stuff and reported on it just due to being in it's own interest but it shows part of the issue with trust in the end in media.

More likely nobody gives a fucking shit about Evergreen State University, because it doesn't really matter.

I mean, you are pretty much the non plus ultra of trivial culture wars in this forum. Virtually every thread you start is nothing more that tittle-tattle about some barely known and irrelevant nobody. Carping at #MeToo years after the zeitgeist. Having a pop at indy computer dev nobodies that virtually no-one has heard of. I mean what the fuck even was "riot kitchen" that you seemed to think mattered to the world last year?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I think you''re a bit confused here. There are three major cable news networks - Fox, CNN, MSNBC. But remember that there are the non-cable broadcasters (e.g. NBC, ABC, CBS), which is the television news an awful lot of Americans watch. Removing Fox, virtually every single one of those is determinedly centreist. There is only one likely to be regarded as left (outside the right wing crazies, who think anything left of Fox is left-wing bias) and that's MSNBC.

One might point out there's a huge tail of ultra-crazy catered to in the US right wing. But if you think about the US lefties (for instance on this forum) and by extension the millions more they represent out in the USA, I don't think there's a single TV news channel or show you could name that reflects them.

Which would kind of be my point. on the last part. There is nothing that's really more centre right than Fox news. There's more centrist but CNN I wouldn't call CNN exactly centre in US politics. I mean they did have the whole


Incident.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

More likely nobody gives a fucking shit about Evergreen State University, because it doesn't really matter.

I mean, you are pretty much the non plus ultra of trivial culture wars in this forum. Virtually every thread you start is nothing more that tittle-tattle about some barely known and irrelevant nobody. Carping at #MeToo years after the zeitgeist. Having a pop at indy computer dev nobodies that virtually no-one has heard of. I mean what the fuck even was "riot kitchen" that you seemed to think mattered to the world last year?

Except at the same time we can have piece after piece about other incidents at other universities in the USA.

Did the Berkeley Riots really matter?

As for Riot Kitchen


people who keep mysteriously getting arrested by police in possession of controlled substances, illegal fireworks and gear to kit out rioters.

 

[Agema]

]As for Riot Kitchen...

This should barely interest a local news channel, never mind an international politics board.

Which would kind of be my point. on the last part. There is nothing that's really more centre right than Fox news. There's more centrist but CNN I wouldn't call CNN exactly centre in US politics. I mean they did have the whole

No, the point is that the right is better served in US media than the left, because the left has to make do with the centre and a weak sauce liberal channel, but the right has a hugely partisan channel and even beyond that OAN, Newsmax, etc.

I mean, let's be clear here. Fox is where Fox has pretty much always been. The fact that Fox is losing viewers to these traditional minnows because it's not right-wing enough is sign enough of where the US right wing has been going.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

This should barely interest a local news channel, never mind an international politics board.

People running an operation that seemingly (multiple times) has been found shipping make shift weapons and supplies across state lines from a hub area?

If it had been more than fireworks and actually assembled stuff then it would have been almost terrorism levels of incident in terms of relevance.

No, the point is that the right is better served in US media than the left, because the left has to make do with the centre and a weak sauce liberal channel, but the right has a hugely partisan channel and even beyond that OAN, Newsmax, etc.

I mean, let's be clear here. Fox is where Fox has pretty much always been. The fact that Fox is losing viewers to these traditional minnows because it's not right-wing enough is sign enough of where the US right wing has been going.

and shouldn't that be seen as an issue when there's no network pulling them more towards the centre?

Also again plenty of other network that are centre or left wing out there. Probably plenty of minnows too. Didn't Vice launch a TV channel with news at one point?

 

[Seanchaidh]

Because you need some-one they believe is trustworthy to break the power quite often

Who are the Trump lot supposed to trust?

Media sites they've know and have seen lie to them?

People online celebrating their deaths?

So what you're saying is that you can't break most of the power of propaganda by pointing out how it works.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

So what you're saying is that you can't break most of the power of propaganda by pointing out how it works.

You can. If you're believed and not seen as a bad faith person lying to people.

 

[Seanchaidh]

You can. If you're believed and not seen as a bad faith person lying to people.

Ahem.

looks at state of US media and politics

No.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Ahem.

which again as I pointed out is where the issue is.

 

[Seanchaidh]

which again as I pointed out is where the issue is.

Propaganda works on the centrists who trust the news too.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Propaganda works on the centrists who trust the news too.

And?

 

[Seanchaidh]

And?

They have had it pointed out to them by people they trust how propaganda works. And it still does.