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Some more intercepted calls from Russian soldiers calling home. Often intercepted because they're using personal cellphones, relying on Ukrainian telecoms providers. Informational security training is apparently exceedingly poor in the Russian military, resulting in literally thousands of intercepted personal calls: some result in giving away positions, while others are released by the Ukrainians for propaganda purposes.
They said we weren’t allowed to retreat. Otherwise, we may be shot.
Now all we need is a commissar shouting "not one step backwards!".
 

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If the Russian army is so angry about being send to the slaughterhouse to appease an uncaring government then maybe they should go do something about it.
*1917 has entered the chat*

Now all we need is a commissar shouting "not one step backwards!".
"One man gets the rifle, the other man gets the ammunition. The man with the ammunition follows the man with the rifle. When the man with the rifle is killed, the man with the ammunition picks it up and presses forward".

Least fanatical Commissar.
 
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Almost a year ago, I might have felt somewhat sorry for them.
Now I regard this with cold indifference.
It's altogether tragic on their side as well. Thousands of them didn't choose to be involved in this: some were conscripted (under threat of death), while others volunteered for military service but were not told what the February manoeuvres were for, only to be sent over the border.

If the Russian army is so angry about being send to the slaughterhouse to appease an uncaring government then maybe they should go do something about it.
Almost impossible for a military uprising to take place without the support of leadership/brass. Without that, pretty much all that the average soldier can do is surrender or defect-- and many Russian soldiers are doing just that. In fact, according to the article, one of those quoted phone calls actually was from a soldier who had abandoned his post.
 

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It's altogether tragic on their side as well. Thousands of them didn't choose to be involved in this: some were conscripted (under threat of death), while others volunteered for military service but were not told what the February manoeuvres were for, only to be sent over the border.
Although it's easy for me to say in the comfort of my not warmongering country, I'd like to think that I'd rather shoot the person commanding me and face death that way than be sent off to suffer and die in the mud in Ukraine.

Blowing my own foot off probably would still get me sent to the front in Russia...
 

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Although it's easy for me to say in the comfort of my not warmongering country, I'd like to think that I'd rather shoot the person commanding me and face death that way than be sent off to suffer and die in the mud in Ukraine.
Is the person commanding you (assuming you're a random conscript or whatever) given a choice themselves, or are they also forced to fight by people higher up you'll ever get to meet?
 

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You say that but if an old bloke with one eye and a power claw shows up Ukraine may be in some deep shit.
Eh, he died, possibly of old age, not long ago.

Less flippantly, he was known for taking charge of at least part of the local military once the incompetent and corrupt head of state and his cronies had been found wanting, so kinda fits.
 

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It's pretty easy to claim one would be brave in the face of a threat of actual death, but no one really knows how they'll react until it happens. No one. No matter how superior or full of bravado you are.

I feel bad for the victims of the war. On all sides. It's horrible and having the right or wrong flag on your uniform doesnt mitigate that horror.

Annoyingly I feel the need to stipulate that war criminals who are raping, torturing, mutilating corpses etc, are not victims here. Because at least one of you fuckers would have latched onto it and attacked, otherwise.
 

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Seriously, what's the point of security if people who set off the metal detectors can just walk away? You're an armed security guard in the US capitol, during a major speech by a foreign leader. Stop them. Force them to submit to further screening.
Next time Im traveling through an airport, can I just refuse to be screened and walk onto a plane?
They say evil happens when good men do nothing, but the democrats and the Government in general have shown that evil happens when mediocre men do nothing.
 
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Seriously, what's the point of security if people who set off the metal detectors can just walk away? You're an armed security guard in the US capitol, during a major speech by a foreign leader. Stop them. Force them to submit to further screening.
Next time Im traveling through an airport, can I just refuse to be screened and walk onto a plane?
They say evil happens when good men do nothing, but the democrats and the Government in general have shown that evil happens when mediocre men do nothing.
Seems like it is something a couple of Republican representatives regularly do. The metal detectors were installed after the Jan 6th and protesting the hightened security is part of playing the incidend down.
It seems like security is not really allowed to keep representatives out (which easily can blow out into another constitutional crisis) and they get fined 10000$ each time instead.
 

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Seems like it is something a couple of Republican representatives regularly do. The metal detectors were installed after the Jan 6th and protesting the hightened security is part of playing the incidend down.
It seems like security is not really allowed to keep representatives out (which easily can blow out into another constitutional crisis) and they get fined 10000$ each time instead.
$10,000 of what is their tax payer funded salary. So really, we get fined every time they do it.
 

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$10,000 of what is their tax payer funded salary. So really, we get fined every time they do it.
Not exactly; the money is likely paid to the Government and technically that means while they lose it, we would gain it as it would become part of government spending. So in terms of where your money goes, it’s more of a sideways move than an additional loss.
 
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The Moscow Times: Russian House Speaker Threatens to ‘Take Back’ Alaska.

I'm sure it'll go well considering how quickly they trounced Ukraine which is literally right next door to their industrial center.

Just kidding. Even money the bears, locals and weather do a number on them before the Army shows up to accept their surrender.
 
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The Moscow Times: Russian House Speaker Threatens to ‘Take Back’ Alaska.

I'm sure it'll go well considering how quickly they trounced Ukraine which is literally right next door to their industrial center.

Just kidding. Even money the bears, locals and weather do a number on them before the Army shows up to accept their surrender.
Knowing the Russians and their history of long naval voyages(looking at you Dogger-Bank!) its even money the Russians die enroute thinking they're being attacked by pirate ghosts and unloading on each other.
 

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Knowing the Russians and their history of long naval voyages(looking at you Dogger-Bank!) its even money the Russians die enroute thinking they're being attacked by pirate ghosts and unloading on each other.
Pirate ghosts or Ghost pirates? These are important questions.

Besides, what's the worst that could really happen?


The battle was humiliating for Russia, which lost all its battleships and most of its cruisers and destroyers. The battle effectively ended the Russo-Japanese War in Japan's favour. The Russians lost 4,380 killed and 5,917 captured with a further 1,862 interned.[54] Two admirals, Rozhestvensky and Nebogatov, were captured by the Japanese Navy. The second in command of the fleet, Rear Admiral Dmitry Gustavovich von Fölkersahm, after suffering a cerebral hemorrhage on 16 April, died in the night of 24 May 1905 onboard battleship Oslyabya.[53] Vice Admiral Oskar Enqvist fled to Manila onboard cruiser Oleg and was interned by the United States.
Oh.....

I mean, I'm sure the Japanese had a rough time as well.

The Japanese lost three torpedo boats (Nos. 34, 35 and 69). Total casualty of 117 men killed and 500 wounded.[54]
 
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