Maybe if the Russians look deep into themselves they'll find that the T14 has always been there, in their hearts.Maybe the real T14 was all the friends we made along the way.
Maybe if the Russians look deep into themselves they'll find that the T14 has always been there, in their hearts.Maybe the real T14 was all the friends we made along the way.
Sooooo confirm Prigozhin is megatron? DOes that make Putin starscream and Zelenskyy Optimus Prime?By this stage of things I wouldn't be surprised to learn the T14 was Prigozhin in a mask.
I don't know much about Tranformers lore.Sooooo confirm Prigozhin is megatron? DOes that make Putin starscream and Zelenskyy Optimus Prime?
Would the turret count as a wig?By this stage of things I wouldn't be surprised to learn the T14 was Prigozhin in a mask.
Duh. Of course.Would the turret count as a wig?
You have to admire his committment to the role.And when he gets spooked the wig flies up dramatically?
Stop playing dumb. I gave you the tip of the iceberg.You were more than happy to just slap a bunch of photos with Nazi stuff to show how terrible Azov is.
Yep, as did I-- including much more damning stuff, considering some of it comes directly from founders and commanders. For a company many times the size, receiving enormously higher state funding, and engaged in many more offensive manoeuvres around the world, all of which you've dismissed or excused.Stop playing dumb. I gave you the tip of the iceberg.
I am not so sure that what you are describing as 'the tip of the iceberg' is not actually 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'. In any case, we should expect a larger organization that is equally problematic in some certain way to have proportionately more evidence of that problem. No?Yep, as did I-- including much more damning stuff, considering some of it comes directly from founders and commanders. For a company many times the size, receiving enormously higher state funding, and engaged in many more offensive manoeuvres around the world, all of which you've dismissed or excused.
If you think Russia gives a solitary fuck about "de-Nazifying", while simultaneously being the world's foremost financier and employer of neo-Nazis by a gigantic margin, you're deluding yourself.
No, the difference is that you are happy to sell out over 40 million people to be invaded and dominated by neighbouring a Nazi regime just because a few hundred of those 40 million formed a neo-Nazi militia. The rest of us think your priorities are fucked.Quibbling over details aside, you think we should give money and weapons to one group of Nazis. I think it should be zero. That's the difference between us on this issue.
if you have to so severely downplay the extent of Ukraine's Nazi problem to make your point, maybe it just isn't worth making.No, the difference is that you are happy to sell out over 40 million people to be invaded and dominated by neighbouring a Nazi regime just because a few hundred of those 40 million formed a neo-Nazi militia. The rest of us think your priorities are fucked.
Yeah, commanding officers stating multiple times, "I'm a Nazi, I'm a Nazi" is really reaching.I am not so sure that what you are describing as 'the tip of the iceberg' is not actually 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'.
Proportionately more has been provided, and proportionately more is available-- I posted a fraction of what a search brought up.In any case, we should expect a larger organization that is equally problematic in some certain way to have proportionately more evidence of that problem. No?
Well no, I think we should give money and weapons to the AFU specifically for defence of its own territory from imperial invasion.Quibbling over details aside, you think we should give money and weapons to one group of Nazis. I think it should be zero. That's the difference between us on this issue.
Honestly, even if the Ukraine was full of Nazis (it is not), it still would be appropriate to help them fight a freaking invasion instead of letting Russia renormalize conquest.Quibbling over details aside, you think we should give money and weapons to one group of Nazis. I think it should be zero. That's the difference between us on this issue.
Take a look in the mirror and think about Russia, buddy.if you have to so severely downplay the extent of Ukraine's Nazi problem to make your point, maybe it just isn't worth making.
Stop pretending you care who lives in Ukraine. Your position here is based on the US, if Ukraine was a communist utopia that was friendly to the US, you'd still side with Russia.if you have to so severely downplay the extent of Ukraine's Nazi problem to make your point, maybe it just isn't worth making.
didn't say it was a reach. said it might be scraping the barrel-- different concepts, though it is possible for some things to be both.Yeah, commanding officers stating multiple times, "I'm a Nazi, I'm a Nazi" is really reaching.
I see a lot of AFU Nazism without even using a search engine. That suggests a difference in scale. And I've said it before, but so many of these supposedly unique sources about "Wagner" all seem to use the same pictures of the same people as far as I've seen. Putting a bunch of mirrors facing the same bit of evidence does not actually multiply it.Proportionately more has been provided, and proportionately more is available-- I posted a fraction of what a search brought up.
And yet you keep posting disputed allegations of war crimes as if they are fact.It's not a competition of who's worse.
obvious non sequiturThe point is that it shows the Russian invasion has nothing to do with that. Its always been an excuse, from the very beginning, to justify annexation and slaughter.
I don't live in Russia. I do live in the place that provides Ukraine the vast majority of its defense spending, that participated in the overthrow of its government by right-wing militias, and has sought to provoke Russia by arming and training the armed forces of Ukraine to the purpose of destroying Russian-speaking separatist movements and taking over Russia's Black Sea naval base.Well no, I think we should give money and weapons to the AFU specifically for defence of its own territory from imperial invasion.
Meanwhile, you have zero problem with the Russian state providing >£3 billion to a neo-Nazi company for the purpose of invading the territory of others.
Their government literally advertises their "small number" of neo-Nazis as great heroes. Constantly. And a large number of the people fleeing the war in Ukraine fled to Russia. You want them to keep dying in a war that for Ukraine looks like a pointless affectation unless the sole consideration is the number of Russian dead regardless of the cost in Ukrainian lives.Take a look in the mirror and think about Russia, buddy.
When you think a whole country needs to be punished for its small fascist minority by handing it over to the dominance of a fascist imperialist state intent on destroying its culture, your view of the situation is hopelessly broken.
If Ukraine was a communist utopia, it wouldn't be friendly to the US for very long if ever. The US and friends would be attempting to overthrow it if not invade it outright. They do the same even to tepid social democrats like Lula or Morales. And no such government is the result of a US-supported coup like the Maidan. From a contradiction anything can follow: your hypothetical situation would entail a world so different that any consideration of what my politics would be in that world yields just a series of questions and no answers. Opposition to the United States is not at all foundational to my politics: it is contingent on the history and actions of the United States and its ruling class. The history and actions of the United States foreclose the possibility that a communist utopia would be friendly to it for any significant length of time.Stop pretending you care who lives in Ukraine. Your position here is based on the US, if Ukraine was a communist utopia that was friendly to the US, you'd still side with Russia.
You don't live in Ukraine either.I don't live in Russia.
Right, except... everyone else isn't seeing it just cropping up for them in their feeds.I see a lot of AFU Nazism without even using a search engine. That suggests a difference in scale.
Disputed by the perpetrator, just like any war crime.And yet you keep posting disputed allegations of war crimes as if they are fact.
You're repeating the Russian government line that the invasion was prompted by the presence of a neo-Nazi contingent in Ukraine. It is directly relevant to point out that the Russian government has no issue with neo-Nazis, and in fact employs and finances them more than any other world power, and that from this we can conclude that line is a smokescreen for other motives.obvious non sequitur
Luckily for you-- the Russian government would long ago have 'disappeared' you if you were vocal about left wing causes there.I don't live in Russia.
You aren't actually denying the point though, that the people of Ukraine are irrelevant to your opinions here. "The history and actions of the United States" are determining your position. Based on what you've said, if Ukraine was a communist utopia, you'd still declare it fascist because your worldview doesn't allow the possibility of the US allying with communists, but that still makes the actual people there irrelevant and your position based off the US rather than Ukraine.Opposition to the United States is not at all foundational to my politics: it is contingent on the history and actions of the United States and its ruling class.