I'm going to be interested to see Microsoft(Bing) and Google's responses to this... Something tells me they aren't going to care very much.
Universal Porn Filter Coming to the U.K.
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One step forward, followed by several million steps back. The porn filter itself is actually not a bad idea. I'm not saying that ANY porn would fuck up a kid for life or anything, but...Well, there is some fucked up shit out there. And right now, unless the parents just stare over their children's shoulder EVERY TIME they use a PC or smartphone, there's not really a good way to stop them from finding that seriously fucked up shit. Filters like this are absolutely necessary for parents.
But that's the thing. FOR PARENTS. It should be THEIR responsibility to REQUEST the filter, not the other way around. Blocking ANYTHING from the general public in the name of "the children" is censorship, plain and simple. Their trying to parent an entire country.
But that's the thing. FOR PARENTS. It should be THEIR responsibility to REQUEST the filter, not the other way around. Blocking ANYTHING from the general public in the name of "the children" is censorship, plain and simple. Their trying to parent an entire country.
Well if this is going to play out similar to the ban on alcohol in america then we are in for a lot of new porn on the rise!
This is likely a political distraction and a quick way to score points with social conservatives.
I doubt it will happen, the ISPs will likely kick up a fuss or just install the active choice system they were working on anyway.
But since we don't have things like the first amendment this really could happen.
What is more sinister is he is conflating this with child and illegal porn to silence opposition, and basically threatened google into doing something they already do.
I doubt it will happen, the ISPs will likely kick up a fuss or just install the active choice system they were working on anyway.
But since we don't have things like the first amendment this really could happen.
What is more sinister is he is conflating this with child and illegal porn to silence opposition, and basically threatened google into doing something they already do.
I know it's against the TOU to self link, but I feel that this will save me a lot of typing:
This is about control and nothing more, this will escalate if it is allowed to go unchecked. Pornography today, then tomorrow bloggers and their "terroist" propaganda, unfavourable reviews of consumer products that infringe on intellectual property.
A slippery slope indeed.
This is about control and nothing more, this will escalate if it is allowed to go unchecked. Pornography today, then tomorrow bloggers and their "terroist" propaganda, unfavourable reviews of consumer products that infringe on intellectual property.
A slippery slope indeed.
So he's only just noticed that there are bad things on the internet? Did he just discover the internet? Does he think it's a new thing? Yes there's bad stuff on the internet, that's why you use easily found parental blocking software, or better yet, parents teach their children that they aren't old enough to look at it and block it.
Funny how better parenting and basic common sense is apparently never an option when things like this arise.
It's like letting a 5 year old walk through the streets by themselves, and they see a homeless man begging for change, or they nearly get mugged. Yes it's a shame there are bad things in the world, but the more sensible option is to accompany them and steer them around things rather than giving them freedom and then immediately wrestling it away.
Funny how better parenting and basic common sense is apparently never an option when things like this arise.
It's like letting a 5 year old walk through the streets by themselves, and they see a homeless man begging for change, or they nearly get mugged. Yes it's a shame there are bad things in the world, but the more sensible option is to accompany them and steer them around things rather than giving them freedom and then immediately wrestling it away.
Agreed.Sixcess said:
Though I find it distasteful, personally, 'rape porn' is a scary sounding headline well picked for political weight, but in practice, it is 99% consenting adults performing BDSM scenes, their success with the audience reliant on a convincing illusion of it being non-consensual. It's an edgy, taboo fantasy affair, for the most part.
Real instances of it have been called out by both the victims and the ethical participants of the audience that consume such material, with video evidence ready for court. Commerical porno sites are a business and hosting illegal material is an express invitation to getting shut down, or worse, having their assests frozen and arrested for criminal conspirarcy. They police themselves.
PORN IS THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD! HIDE YO' WIFE, HIDE YO' KIDS!
They're probably going to slip some sneaky law in while this and the royal baby thing is distracting us. ;~;
It should be up to the households to get their own adult block with their internet. Most providers ask you when you set up with them! You probably shouldn't get Internet if you have young kids and are completely ignorant to the horrors online...
Banning illegal porn I definitely agree with. I don't see what this will achieve because I don't know what's so terrible about porn. ;_;
They're probably going to slip some sneaky law in while this and the royal baby thing is distracting us. ;~;
It should be up to the households to get their own adult block with their internet. Most providers ask you when you set up with them! You probably shouldn't get Internet if you have young kids and are completely ignorant to the horrors online...
Banning illegal porn I definitely agree with. I don't see what this will achieve because I don't know what's so terrible about porn. ;_;
Seems to me that politicians seem to go after the things they think about or fear the most. For example, that U.S. Republican who railed against homosexuality and was then found soliciting a homosexual prostitute in an airport bathroom. I would not be the least bit surprised if those politicians supporting this bill were the most voracious consumers of the same pornography they claim to abhor so thoroughly.
There needs to be a memetic law for this sort of thing, like Godwin's Law.
OT: This idea is just dumb in every sense. Putting aside all the obvious censorship and infringement of personal liberty, it's just a very poor way of addressing the 'problem'. The amount of money and effort to put this filter into place (properly) would be much better spent in various education programs and law enforcement initiatives to address the problems directly. Cameron's justification of targeting illegal child or 'rape porn' is blatantly false, if this was the aim there would be no opt-out of the filter. This whole exercise is a transparent political ploy.
P.S. Still waiting for a politician that campaigns for the rights of singles to save us from the oppressive yoke of those evil children and families. I want a law that classifies un-immunized children as biological weapons!
There needs to be a memetic law for this sort of thing, like Godwin's Law.
OT: This idea is just dumb in every sense. Putting aside all the obvious censorship and infringement of personal liberty, it's just a very poor way of addressing the 'problem'. The amount of money and effort to put this filter into place (properly) would be much better spent in various education programs and law enforcement initiatives to address the problems directly. Cameron's justification of targeting illegal child or 'rape porn' is blatantly false, if this was the aim there would be no opt-out of the filter. This whole exercise is a transparent political ploy.
P.S. Still waiting for a politician that campaigns for the rights of singles to save us from the oppressive yoke of those evil children and families. I want a law that classifies un-immunized children as biological weapons!
Not possible, the parents this shit is aimed at are too busy picking up the latest edition of the Daily Mail, or sitting down the job center waiting their turn to sign on, where are they possibly going to find the spare time to raise the little welfare earners?wooty said:
Except neither of those are true. The NHS hasn't suffered any budget cuts under this government (On the contrary actually) and the Education Secretary is working on reforming the school system to allow for more parent choice as well as removing money from bureaucrats and giving it directly to the schools themselves.Irridium said:
On this though Cameron is utterly and completely barking mad.
US conservative =/= UK conservative. Also he's in coalition with the Lib Dems who are as far from being liberal and democratic as can possibly be (unless you agree with their every opinion).Matt Dellar said:
Yes it is a bad thing, no it didn't change my perspective and if you're the type of person that accepts censorship because of one video series, you're a very, very silly fellow.Adam Jensen said:
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I would thank something or other that I don't live in the UK, but I know this type of crap will start spreading. Hopefully the UK will realize just how pointless it is and give up before really enforcing it.
And to think, not less than 70 years Britain was the last bastion against Fascism in Europe...
I like how many people are saying the conservatives are supposed to be for small government... newsflash people, the only things the big 3 parties stand for lying to get votes and lining their own pockets once their in power. You can bet your arse some lobbyist group is behind this bullshit. It's exactly the same shit they're trying to pull in the US with "won't someone think about the children" plastered over the front of it.
I like how many people are saying the conservatives are supposed to be for small government... newsflash people, the only things the big 3 parties stand for lying to get votes and lining their own pockets once their in power. You can bet your arse some lobbyist group is behind this bullshit. It's exactly the same shit they're trying to pull in the US with "won't someone think about the children" plastered over the front of it.
This is really a token gesture to appease conservative soccer moms. It won't do anything more then just embarass some adults and inconvenience some kids who want porn.
I don't like the idea behind it though, in two ways.
The idea that the government should do parents' jobs for them and the puritan bullshit that motivates this hatred towards porn. Our society has this revulsion towards sex, seeing it as a bad thing we should protect our kids from.
You can't just shove a child in a bubble until he is eighteen years old, shutting them off from their own and everyone else's sexuality.
Sexual repression is harmfull and doesnt work.
I don't like the idea behind it though, in two ways.
The idea that the government should do parents' jobs for them and the puritan bullshit that motivates this hatred towards porn. Our society has this revulsion towards sex, seeing it as a bad thing we should protect our kids from.
You can't just shove a child in a bubble until he is eighteen years old, shutting them off from their own and everyone else's sexuality.
Sexual repression is harmfull and doesnt work.
UK conservatives are like weedy ineffectual, polite, republicans but without the constitution holding them back. Except in UK, republican means you want to get rid of the monarchy and UK conservatives are usually pro-monarchy. Conservatives tend not to be keen on the European union, although some are bitterly divided on this.vallorn said:
Labour was rather hardcore socialist before Blair moderated it in the 90s. Now it's fairly centrist at least by UK standards.
The liberal democrats are rather hard to describe as they haven't had real power before and tend to be more of mix of protest votes. Typically very pro Europe, somewhat moderate individualist on economic issues and socially liberal.
Not all that much different between them really.
Know what I'm for in this stupid country? People actually having a say in anything that fucking happens here.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
This, basically. That said, maybe him and Piers Morgan wouldn't be such massive wankers if they'd just realize they'd have so much fun sucking each other off instead.Daystar Clarion said: