[Update 2] How/why are console gamers satisfied with 30 fps?

[The Lunatic]

It's easy to undersell the importance of visual fidelity in enjoyment of a game. When people talk about a game not needing to look good to be enjoyable so long as the gameplay is fun they assume that means the game looks passable, or generic, as opposed to the game looking like garbage. Trust me when I say you probably wouldn't have enjoyed games like Okami if they didn't look as stunning as they did. Sure if it looked passable it would have had SOME cult following, but if it had looked like arse it would probably never have been noticed.

I think there's another element to it.

It's easy to undersell frame rate, because nobody can just show you an image of the game running smoother.

Graphics, I can show you a low-resolution picture from a console compared to the high resolutions of the PC, and you can see the difference outright.

Frame rate?

Not so much. It actually has to be experienced.

People like myself can sit here and go on about the visual fluidity, the responsiveness and all that stuff.

But, it's utterly meaningless to somebody who hasn't experienced it and thus can be dismissed outright.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

 

[Something Amyss]

It's a couple of things that layer on top of each other:
- their screen is 10 feet away
- the camera angles are tight
- all sorts of effects are added to muddy up the moving images
- their controls are real slow comparatively
- and games are designed to compensate for inherit imprecision
This makes it hard to tell there is a stutter.

Sweet. Why don't I notice the difference between playing on my PC at 3 feet and playing on my TV at 10 feet then?

Seriously.

 

[SerithVC]

to end this discussion. it is because console gamers are not PC MASTER RACE types who cannot seem to understand that specs are not everything. Just because a game is [insert resolution above 1080p] and is running at 60fps doesn't mean it's a good game. Seriously this entire thread seems to be "Why aren't console gamers PC MASTER RACE?" where in my experience games run smoother on consoles unless you have the money and/or know how to make your own computer.

 

[Belaam]

Exact same reason no one cares about movies being in 24 of 48 fps. It's not a big enough difference to make or break enjoyment of the medium, particularly if the viewer is used to the lower speed.

 

[RedDeadFred]

Because I quite simply don't care. Graphics come in dead last when it comes to making a game enjoyable. FPS fall into that category for me. I don't care what the FPS are on a game so long as its fun to play.

Yup. Graphics not only come last fore me, but FPS is probably the thing I care about least when it comes to them.

So ya, literally the last thing I care about when playing a game.

 

[Pseudonym]

I mostly play PC but I just don't notice the difference. If I stare intently at those 60vs30 comparison websites I can tell the difference after a while. I occasionally, depending on the specific example, need to look at what the website tells me is 60 and what is 30. For most games I've played I haven't a clue what framerate they are. I don't start noticing until it dips well under 30. I understand it might be a problem for really fast paced games but even with that said, I just don't know the framerate of my fastpaced console games. I'm reading Halo is at 30. I didn't experience any trouble with that. And while that isn't a twitch game it's still reasonably fastpaced. Maybe it becomes more of a problem if you have faster reflexes than I do. (which most people seem to have)

I agree that 1080p is better than 720p and that 60fps is better than 30fps. I like playing something like crysis that looks good. That said I have older games that run at 240p that I quite like the look of and I recently played through Robin hood: legend of sherlock again and because it wouldn't work well for whatever reason the framerate was well below 30 most of the time. To me that is slightly annoying but I still played 30 hours of it with that problem. If you don't want to play anything below 60 that's your prerogative but some people, and I imagine most console users, don't care in the slightest if they are even aware of what FPS is. (which I wasn't untill I encountered threaths like these and video's on the internet about it)

To me a long draw distance matters much more. Pop-in is clearly immersion-breaking and sometimes even harmful to gameplay. When I go exploring in minecraft it annoys me I can't see further. If I need to adjust the route I am taking to a certain point in a game because I couldn't see a large structure that was in the way because of poor draw distance, that is much more harmful to the experience for me than any framerate or resolution. Similarly there is only so much that high fidelity can do when the artwork isn't pretty enough. Crysis doesn't have the visual appeal to me that Rayman forever or metroid fusion have. Obviously Crysis has vastly higher pixelbits and frameresolutions per kilometer but all I'm looking at are very well rendered trees. I just see a sea of green most of the time anyway. And that's not even mentioning all the other things that go into whether a game is good or not like the gameplay mechanics and the story and all those kind of things. With all those things considered FPS is just about the last thing that concerns me if it can stay above 30. The amount of space it takes from the Terabyte of memory on my PC is a larger consideration for me.

 

[Erttheking]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

Pardon me? I'm ignorant about fps? I know the difference very well. I just. Don't. Care.

 

[Cheesy Goodness]

These PC vs Console - or the tired GamerGate or equality threads for that matter - discussions crop up far too often, but I will bite. I've been a PC gamer since the 90s and have steadily moved away from consoles. That information is probably not relevant, but it may show my bias towards the platform.

In my opinion, anybody that says they can't tell the difference between 30 or 60 is a liar, has cataracts or uses a toaster as their display monitor. The links below are visibly noticeable by a mile. You may not notice if 30 FPS is all you're used to, but you'd know it if you had to regress from 60 to 30. Even some experiences, like many fighting games and shooters, would suffer at 30. If that still doesn't matter to you, more power to ya. I wish 60 would be the industry standard, but I applaud any developer that sets out to do that.

Try this then.
http://30vs60.com/formula1.php
Or this
http://www.30vs60fps.com/
Or this
http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

It should be easy to see how framerate effects gameplay with these sources.

 

[Evonisia]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

Pardon me? I'm ignorant about fps? I know the difference very well. I just. Don't. Care.

No what it is is that you just haven't played enough games at 60fps or above, therefore you haven't lost the ability to tolerate 30fps yet, it's such a terrible shame.

 

[Erttheking]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

Pardon me? I'm ignorant about fps? I know the difference very well. I just. Don't. Care.

No what it is is that you just haven't played enough games at 60fps or above, therefore you haven't lost the ability to tolerate 30fps yet, it's such a terrible shame.

Call me crazy, but I think I'll live with 30 fps. I've been doing it my whole gaming life.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

Pardon me? I'm ignorant about fps? I know the difference very well. I just. Don't. Care.

No what it is is that you just haven't played enough games at 60fps or above, therefore you haven't lost the ability to tolerate 30fps yet, it's such a terrible shame.

Call me crazy, but I think I'll live with 30 fps. I've been doing it my whole gaming life.

That's fine. But once every game you play is 60 FPS and above, then you WILL care.

If you really wanna prove my point, spend about a month playing games you know for a fact our 60FPS ( Perferably with a mouse and keyboard).

I never realized how much 60FPS spoiled me when I go back to play games such a Resident Evil 4 and the Ty the Tasmanian Tiger series.

 

[Erttheking]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

Pardon me? I'm ignorant about fps? I know the difference very well. I just. Don't. Care.

No what it is is that you just haven't played enough games at 60fps or above, therefore you haven't lost the ability to tolerate 30fps yet, it's such a terrible shame.

Call me crazy, but I think I'll live with 30 fps. I've been doing it my whole gaming life.

That's fine. But once every game you play is 60 FPS and above, then you WILL care.

If you really wanna prove my point, spend about a month playing games you know for a fact our 60FPS ( Perferably with a mouse and keyboard).

I never realized how much 60FPS spoiled me when I go back to play games such a Resident Evil 4 and the Ty the Tasmanian Tiger series.

Don't tell me what i will and will not think.

And I've been playing League of Legends for months now. It runs at 60 fps on my computer. I only know this because it says so in the corner. 30 fps games on my 360 and old PS2 do not bother me despite the hours of gameplay I've poured into it. I. Do. Not. Care. About. Frames. Per. Second.

 

[Bad Jim]

Because I quite simply don't care. Graphics come in dead last when it comes to making a game enjoyable. FPS fall into that category for me. I don't care what the FPS are on a game so long as its fun to play.

Graphics and FPS are opposites. The better the graphics, the worse the FPS, and vice versa.

If you care about neither, you should logically default to preferring FPS, since fancy graphics require the developer to spend the GDP of a small country making them, while FPS has no ridiculous costs attached. 60fps would be cheaper if nothing else.

 

[Erttheking]

Because I quite simply don't care. Graphics come in dead last when it comes to making a game enjoyable. FPS fall into that category for me. I don't care what the FPS are on a game so long as its fun to play.

Graphics and FPS are opposites. The better the graphics, the worse the FPS, and vice versa.

If you care about neither, you should logically default to preferring FPS, since fancy graphics require the developer to spend the GDP of a small country making them, while FPS has no ridiculous costs attached. 60fps would be cheaper if nothing else.

My mistake. However, so long as the FPS is smooth enough not to affect gameplay, I'm good with it. And I find 30 fps to be enough. That is all I'm saying.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

Pardon me? I'm ignorant about fps? I know the difference very well. I just. Don't. Care.

No what it is is that you just haven't played enough games at 60fps or above, therefore you haven't lost the ability to tolerate 30fps yet, it's such a terrible shame.

Call me crazy, but I think I'll live with 30 fps. I've been doing it my whole gaming life.

That's fine. But once every game you play is 60 FPS and above, then you WILL care.

If you really wanna prove my point, spend about a month playing games you know for a fact our 60FPS ( Perferably with a mouse and keyboard).

I never realized how much 60FPS spoiled me when I go back to play games such a Resident Evil 4 and the Ty the Tasmanian Tiger series.

Don't tell me what i will and will not think.

And I've been playing League of Legends for months now. It runs at 60 fps on my computer. I only know this because it says so in the corner. 30 fps games on my 360 and old PS2 do not bother me despite the hours of gameplay I've poured into it. I. Do. Not. Care. About. Frames. Per. Second.

I don't care if you don't care. lol. It's just I'm 100% sure if you only played games with 60 FPS, then you would care.

But you don't care. So whatever.

 

[Aesir23]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

Ignorance? As has been stated many times in this thread there are people that just don't care. Is it really so inconceivable that FPS just might not be on their list of priorities?

 

[Erttheking]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

Pardon me? I'm ignorant about fps? I know the difference very well. I just. Don't. Care.

No what it is is that you just haven't played enough games at 60fps or above, therefore you haven't lost the ability to tolerate 30fps yet, it's such a terrible shame.

Call me crazy, but I think I'll live with 30 fps. I've been doing it my whole gaming life.

That's fine. But once every game you play is 60 FPS and above, then you WILL care.

If you really wanna prove my point, spend about a month playing games you know for a fact our 60FPS ( Perferably with a mouse and keyboard).

I never realized how much 60FPS spoiled me when I go back to play games such a Resident Evil 4 and the Ty the Tasmanian Tiger series.

Don't tell me what i will and will not think.

And I've been playing League of Legends for months now. It runs at 60 fps on my computer. I only know this because it says so in the corner. 30 fps games on my 360 and old PS2 do not bother me despite the hours of gameplay I've poured into it. I. Do. Not. Care. About. Frames. Per. Second.

I don't care if you don't care. lol. It's just I'm 100% sure if you only played games with 60 FPS, then you would care.

But you don't care. So whatever.

I would want something if every single game I played had it? Not exactly a ground breaking statement. That's like saying I'd want guns in all of my games if I only ever played games with guns.

Yes. I don't care. So don't call me ignorant.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

Pardon me? I'm ignorant about fps? I know the difference very well. I just. Don't. Care.

No what it is is that you just haven't played enough games at 60fps or above, therefore you haven't lost the ability to tolerate 30fps yet, it's such a terrible shame.

Call me crazy, but I think I'll live with 30 fps. I've been doing it my whole gaming life.

That's fine. But once every game you play is 60 FPS and above, then you WILL care.

If you really wanna prove my point, spend about a month playing games you know for a fact our 60FPS ( Perferably with a mouse and keyboard).

I never realized how much 60FPS spoiled me when I go back to play games such a Resident Evil 4 and the Ty the Tasmanian Tiger series.

Don't tell me what i will and will not think.

And I've been playing League of Legends for months now. It runs at 60 fps on my computer. I only know this because it says so in the corner. 30 fps games on my 360 and old PS2 do not bother me despite the hours of gameplay I've poured into it. I. Do. Not. Care. About. Frames. Per. Second.

I don't care if you don't care. lol. It's just I'm 100% sure if you only played games with 60 FPS, then you would care.

But you don't care. So whatever.

I would want something if every single game I played had it? Not exactly a ground breaking statement. That's like saying I'd want guns in all of my games if I only ever played games with guns.

Yes. I don't care. So don't call me ignorant.

Wow. Talk about False Equivalence.

Fine. Let's just say in the dark.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

It's clear most people aren't used to 60FPS. Once they have played games at that frame-rate, they will notice.

So mostly it's just ignorance.

Ignorance? As has been stated many times in this thread there are people that just don't care. Is it really so inconceivable that FPS just might not be on their list of priorities?

It's because they most likely havn't exposed themselves to too many 60 FPS games. It's like the difference between 480p and 1080p. You wouldn't care if that's all you knew, but give you a month and 480p will hurt your eyes.

And whats wrong with being ignorant? I'm ignorant of stuff? As are you and Erth? lol.