Update: Fez Dev Tells Media Member To Kill Himself
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Why can everyone else deal with it and he can't? Why doesn't he keep the Twitter feed but get a PR person to keep it updated, like so many other devs do. If he really liked the other aspects of developing games I think he would have ignored this stuff or sequestered himself from social networking services.
I wonder if Fez II hit some developmental hurdles.
Can anyone point out any other developer who quit for this reason?
I wonder if Fez II hit some developmental hurdles.
Can anyone point out any other developer who quit for this reason?
Mr. Fish decided to become a media professional when he went for the role of a personality rather than just a developer.
He is clearly not able to handle that role. Sorry mate, but it's not the industry - it's you.
He is clearly not able to handle that role. Sorry mate, but it's not the industry - it's you.
"I've heard worse in real life" isn't really a proper excuse. So long as I live and breath, I will never let "go kill yourself" become an acceptable form of insult in any conversation, twitter or not.PH3NOmenon said:
More on-topic: I would would say Fish is the greater of the two evils in this little debacle, his personality-type is just not suitable for extended contact with human beings, let alone internet-fame.
People really ought to know by now to keep their childish outbursts off social media. I don't think ill lose much sleep over this new development and not only because he is so obviously a prick without the social graces to know when to keep his mouth shut.
I wonder if he will struggle with his future career with such an inflated sense of self importance and volatile reactions to some fairly mild criticism. Id like him to be forced to change his ways and becomes a better person through extended financial trouble but that would be too much to hope for.
I wonder if he will struggle with his future career with such an inflated sense of self importance and volatile reactions to some fairly mild criticism. Id like him to be forced to change his ways and becomes a better person through extended financial trouble but that would be too much to hope for.
Well considering Fish at best can be described as 'outspoken' and at worst 'a massive dick whose arsehole dribbles out a vile mixture of slurry that he considers his opinion' I'm not surprised someone else tore into him.
You reap what you sow Fish.
But his cancellation hissy fit was a new one even for him, I already considered him a prick but this just makes him look like a childish prick.
Good Riddance.
You reap what you sow Fish.
But his cancellation hissy fit was a new one even for him, I already considered him a prick but this just makes him look like a childish prick.
Good Riddance.
As someone with experience with mental health disorders, i can completely understand Fish's response. That doesn't make it right, but its understandable. With mental health, namely depression, if you feel theirs so much muck and fog around you that you get trapped in a corner with only negativity around you, you'll do anything in that mental state to get out of the corner, including lashing out. Hence why i understand Phils response. Furthermore, as indicated by previous posts, it doesn't seem the Escapist has presented both sides of the argument, just the line that ended it. If Beer had indeed been throwing the alleged 3 minutes of insults, interrupting his co-stars to add further offense to Phil, etc... how can Phil not take that so to heart and lash out in such a way? Given that Beer sounds like he had it out for him.
As someone also mentioned above, we seem to shun the mentally unstable, but the mentally unstable are responsible for a lot of our artistic progression over the years. Its only natural to see such people appear in our medium and i for one support them. However, as a general point, i think more should be being done to raise mental health awareness. It is a clinical illness, just like cancer is. You don't tell someone with cancer to get over it, grow up or stop thinking about it, which are some of the most common slag thrown at people with depression or anxiety disorders.
It sounds like both parties were in the wrong, i'd like to see another update to this article with a more full rounded story. Some people are claiming their was more to Beers comments than the Blowfish remark? I would like to see these added for balance?
At the end of the day, telling someone to kill themselves is a horrible, unthinkable thing that should never be said because you know nothing of the other persons life, state or well being. they might actually do it for reasons you know nothing about! But for our entertainment to say it (Bender, Futurama), its only natural we will come to include it in our day to day conversation (See peoples references to the CoD community). Fish was in the wrong, but so was Beer. Both parties need to calm down and talk it out. I feel the cancellation of Fez II is an overreaction and the Radio Silence we've gotten from Beer is just unprofessional and only fueling the fire.
As someone also mentioned above, we seem to shun the mentally unstable, but the mentally unstable are responsible for a lot of our artistic progression over the years. Its only natural to see such people appear in our medium and i for one support them. However, as a general point, i think more should be being done to raise mental health awareness. It is a clinical illness, just like cancer is. You don't tell someone with cancer to get over it, grow up or stop thinking about it, which are some of the most common slag thrown at people with depression or anxiety disorders.
It sounds like both parties were in the wrong, i'd like to see another update to this article with a more full rounded story. Some people are claiming their was more to Beers comments than the Blowfish remark? I would like to see these added for balance?
At the end of the day, telling someone to kill themselves is a horrible, unthinkable thing that should never be said because you know nothing of the other persons life, state or well being. they might actually do it for reasons you know nothing about! But for our entertainment to say it (Bender, Futurama), its only natural we will come to include it in our day to day conversation (See peoples references to the CoD community). Fish was in the wrong, but so was Beer. Both parties need to calm down and talk it out. I feel the cancellation of Fez II is an overreaction and the Radio Silence we've gotten from Beer is just unprofessional and only fueling the fire.
Ahhhhhh Twitter, Devour of Souls and Destroyer of Careers. Seriously, I wonder what the tally is up to for people that have thrown away their careers because of stupid remarks made on Twitter. Not just celebrities and game developers and such either. The exact same crap happens to every-day random people all the time as well. That's one of the reason I avoid it (and Facebook, for that matter) like the plague...it just seems absolutely idiotic to me.
More to the point of this guy's story: if you're going to be in any industry that invites criticism on every project that you do, you've GOT to be more thick-skinned than this. I don't care if you've been having hundreds of people on the internet shouting "YOU SUCK!" in various ways every day for the past couple years. You're getting a paycheck, right? Who cares what Random Internet Jackass has to say? Even if said jackass has a website and does some show...that doesn't change the fact that they're still just Random Internet Jackass #8573849037.
But I guess on the other hand it's as the saying goes: if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck off the internet...or out of the kitchen...or something like that, I forget how it goes. :3
More to the point of this guy's story: if you're going to be in any industry that invites criticism on every project that you do, you've GOT to be more thick-skinned than this. I don't care if you've been having hundreds of people on the internet shouting "YOU SUCK!" in various ways every day for the past couple years. You're getting a paycheck, right? Who cares what Random Internet Jackass has to say? Even if said jackass has a website and does some show...that doesn't change the fact that they're still just Random Internet Jackass #8573849037.
But I guess on the other hand it's as the saying goes: if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck off the internet...or out of the kitchen...or something like that, I forget how it goes. :3
So basically what he's saying is that he hasn't quit the industry because some "boorish fuck" swore at him a little, but he's quitting the industry because someone swore at him a little.
The irony that he mentions 'some boorish fuck [who] said something stupid'. That describes himself perfectly.
He's getting out of games because of this? Good, screw him. He deserves everything he gets.
I had always heard about this incident, but it's only recently that I actually saw it:
Had I actually seen this, I wouldn't have bought fez and supported him. I don't care that he doesn't like japanese games, that's fine. But you do not act this fucking rude to someone in front of a crowd, and you sure as HELL don't do it to someone who can barley understand and speak your language... especially someone who just complimented you. He's the definition of human shit.
The whole "I'm too kool for school because I'm a massive dick" persona thing isn't cute when you use it against foreigners who don't understand the joke.
I had always heard about this incident, but it's only recently that I actually saw it:
Had I actually seen this, I wouldn't have bought fez and supported him. I don't care that he doesn't like japanese games, that's fine. But you do not act this fucking rude to someone in front of a crowd, and you sure as HELL don't do it to someone who can barley understand and speak your language... especially someone who just complimented you. He's the definition of human shit.
The whole "I'm too kool for school because I'm a massive dick" persona thing isn't cute when you use it against foreigners who don't understand the joke.
Fez wasn't even that good to begin with.
Yeah, the beginning was kinda neat, and the mechanic was something "new", though I would argue it was more or less Time Fcuk in a different coat of paint, at least that's what it felt like. But other then that, it was nothing too special, and it lost steam halfway through.
Good riddance, Phil Fish. I won't miss you.
Yeah, the beginning was kinda neat, and the mechanic was something "new", though I would argue it was more or less Time Fcuk in a different coat of paint, at least that's what it felt like. But other then that, it was nothing too special, and it lost steam halfway through.
Good riddance, Phil Fish. I won't miss you.
Because, as seen in the video in the post just above yours, he's the platonic ideal of someone who can dish it out, but can't take it. He'll insult anyone he feels like, to their face, in groups, whenever, but acts like you've murdered his kids when you criticise him in any way. Basically he's a diva, he thinks he's above criticism from anyone, but any insults or criticism from him to others has the weight of holy writ.llagrok said:Why do people keep saying he's childish for calling out people who keep insulting him?
If you think kids are the ones that go off on other people the most, use the worst words and so on, then clearly you don't know a lot of adults
No-one's saying you can't act like an asshole on the internet, but you can't act like an asshole and then squeal and take your ball home when people dish out the same back to you.
He's also the reason Judas in Binding of Isaac wears a fez, due to a past dust up with Edward McMillan, IIRC.
Also, it doesn't matter a damn if what he said was a Futurama quote. What matters is the fact he seems to have meant it, as per his later actions.
K.
"To be clear, I'm not cancelling Fez II because some boorish fuck said something stupid..."
No you're a boorish fuck who said something stupid and then cancelled Fez 2. Some guy called you out about your actions and you say "OH I'M ALWAYS BEING ABUSED." Seriously I hadn't even heard of this guy before this article but anyone who publicly tells someone to kill themselves over some criticism is a bit of a dick.
No you're a boorish fuck who said something stupid and then cancelled Fez 2. Some guy called you out about your actions and you say "OH I'M ALWAYS BEING ABUSED." Seriously I hadn't even heard of this guy before this article but anyone who publicly tells someone to kill themselves over some criticism is a bit of a dick.