Update: Fez Dev Tells Media Member To Kill Himself
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It's not so much a lack of humor as the reference being just obscure enough that people who aren't avid followers of the show wouldn't get it; I should know, I missed it myself.Vigormortis said:
And given the way the guy has reacted to other subjects in the past, it's not beyond reasonable to assume he meant something like that seriously.
This just in, Phil Fish acts like a total asshole, acts like he is above people, and then tries to justify his dickish behavior by claiming he is the victim.
Oh, it seems we have another breaking scoop. It turns out Oxygen exists.
I know Phil is in an industry where people are gonna say nasty things over the internet about him on a weirdly personal level over just a game, and I can sympathize with that to a degree. But guess what Philly-boy (dunno why I'm typing this as if he's going to read it...) You aren't special there. Anyone with even a modicum of fame is going to get their share of internet backlash just like you, in fact a lot of them probably get it way worse because you're mostly just known in gaming circles. Heck, I've been gaming my whole life and I probably wouldn't even know who Phil Fish was if he wasn't known for being such an asshole. Literally how I heard about him and his game was one of many articles where he insulted someone over some criticism.
Imagine if one of the Kardashians (Kim? Is one of them Kim? Lets go with Kim) told people to fuck off and kill themselves and then demand an apology every time someone said a negative thing about her? She wouldn't even have time to breathe or stare in one of her reality TV programs.
You put yourself in a position where you offer a product to the world, and guess what? That means you also opened yourself up to criticism of both the product and of yourself. If you can't handle that, maybe you should just try another career where it's illegal for people to criticize your work and your behavior.
I hear Mars needs someone to dust rocks. Maybe you could try that.
Oh, it seems we have another breaking scoop. It turns out Oxygen exists.
I know Phil is in an industry where people are gonna say nasty things over the internet about him on a weirdly personal level over just a game, and I can sympathize with that to a degree. But guess what Philly-boy (dunno why I'm typing this as if he's going to read it...) You aren't special there. Anyone with even a modicum of fame is going to get their share of internet backlash just like you, in fact a lot of them probably get it way worse because you're mostly just known in gaming circles. Heck, I've been gaming my whole life and I probably wouldn't even know who Phil Fish was if he wasn't known for being such an asshole. Literally how I heard about him and his game was one of many articles where he insulted someone over some criticism.
Imagine if one of the Kardashians (Kim? Is one of them Kim? Lets go with Kim) told people to fuck off and kill themselves and then demand an apology every time someone said a negative thing about her? She wouldn't even have time to breathe or stare in one of her reality TV programs.
You put yourself in a position where you offer a product to the world, and guess what? That means you also opened yourself up to criticism of both the product and of yourself. If you can't handle that, maybe you should just try another career where it's illegal for people to criticize your work and your behavior.
I hear Mars needs someone to dust rocks. Maybe you could try that.
What is it about Indie devs and turning out to be colossal twats?
Man, you're right, you really revolutionised the industry with your quirky puzzle platformer with retro-esque graphics and subversive undertones, I'm sure nobody else in the indie scene has even thought of doing such a thing.
Row row fight da powah ¬_¬
Man, you're right, you really revolutionised the industry with your quirky puzzle platformer with retro-esque graphics and subversive undertones, I'm sure nobody else in the indie scene has even thought of doing such a thing.
Row row fight da powah ¬_¬
You have to attempt to look at it from his prospective, which almost none of the posts I've read so far have tried to do (it's mostly people instinctively calling him a man-child or likewise, without much hesitation). Because of the success of Fez, I don't believe that Fish is really all that obligated to make more games if he doesn't want to. After all, he does't really need money from making games to get by anymore. So if he continues making Fez II it's purely out of want. He can easily go on and pursue other things.
So, if he finds himself getting verbally abused by the same people who plan to play his game and then has the gaming media take his words way out of context (like the comment he made about Japanese games being twisted to being a hate speech about Japanese culture as a whole) with the expressed purpose of making him look like a terrible person. Why the hell would he put himself through the stress of making a game (video game development is an extremely stressful job with or without people saying shit about you) if all you will get in return is news headline about how he's an asshole. having his public image being thrashed by people he doesn't know (and sure as hell really don't know him) without being able to do anything because if he retaliates, he only gets more flack.
If you had a job that you did not need to make ends meet and hated most of the people you worked with, wouldn't you quit?
If you had a girlfriend you hated and didn't really need her to be happy, wouldn't you just dump her?
It's not childish, it just makes sense, you'd be stupid not to.
If I was in his shoes, I would probably would do the same (minus the Futurama reference, solid as it was).
P.S. even though most famous developers (like most public figures) get shit thrown there way all the time, Phil (like Jon Blow) tends to have his public image be twisted to something that most likely doesn't resemble who he actually is in a very negative way more than others. People's ability to tolerate it varies. It's not like the quantity of the negativity is trivial.
So, if he finds himself getting verbally abused by the same people who plan to play his game and then has the gaming media take his words way out of context (like the comment he made about Japanese games being twisted to being a hate speech about Japanese culture as a whole) with the expressed purpose of making him look like a terrible person. Why the hell would he put himself through the stress of making a game (video game development is an extremely stressful job with or without people saying shit about you) if all you will get in return is news headline about how he's an asshole. having his public image being thrashed by people he doesn't know (and sure as hell really don't know him) without being able to do anything because if he retaliates, he only gets more flack.
If you had a job that you did not need to make ends meet and hated most of the people you worked with, wouldn't you quit?
If you had a girlfriend you hated and didn't really need her to be happy, wouldn't you just dump her?
It's not childish, it just makes sense, you'd be stupid not to.
If I was in his shoes, I would probably would do the same (minus the Futurama reference, solid as it was).
P.S. even though most famous developers (like most public figures) get shit thrown there way all the time, Phil (like Jon Blow) tends to have his public image be twisted to something that most likely doesn't resemble who he actually is in a very negative way more than others. People's ability to tolerate it varies. It's not like the quantity of the negativity is trivial.
WHOA! Are you telling me that being a douchebag will get you bitched at by other douchebags!? Who knew!?
I caught the reference, but that doesn't mean he didn't mean it (maybe he didn't. I dunno. But based on what I've seen of Phil Fish in the past, I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here) I use quotes from TV, Movies, and Comics to illustrate real points all the time. Just because you're using a reference doesn't automatically mean you're just being facetious.Benpasko said:
A few months ago a woman who said she loved me for three years broke my heart through a text message (didn't even apologize) and then about a month later called and asked me for a pretty big favor and acting like nothing happened. My response was a quote from Hellsing Ultimate Abridged.
"Here's what you do. Go down to the local pharmacy. Ask for something called viagra, and it'll help you GO FUCK YOURSELF!"
Sure it was an over-reaction on my part, and yeah, it was a quote, but I still meant every word of it.
A reference isn't always just a joke used in jest. Sometimes it's just the best way to say what you wanna say.
Never got to play Fez, too busy playing Japanese games and triple A games to have a chance.
Oh hey, he's said something stupid again, oh and he canceled a game he was making I was never going to play, truly an uneventful day overall.
On the other hand Tales of Xillia is coming out soon, can't wait to play the shit out of that.
Oh hey, he's said something stupid again, oh and he canceled a game he was making I was never going to play, truly an uneventful day overall.
On the other hand Tales of Xillia is coming out soon, can't wait to play the shit out of that.
Phil fish is an asshole on Twitter, in other news the sky is blue and Fox News is conservative. More at Eleven.
Oh Phil, we can always rely on you to be a total asshat for our entertainment.
Oh and in response to that update, what a fuckface, what a whiney crybaby asshat. And to people defending this twat.... [HEADING=1]it's not relevant that it's a futurama reference[/HEADING]The fact that he has mental problems is also irrelevant, it's twitter, think before you post because that's your fucking job.
Oh and in response to that update, what a fuckface, what a whiney crybaby asshat. And to people defending this twat.... [HEADING=1]it's not relevant that it's a futurama reference[/HEADING]The fact that he has mental problems is also irrelevant, it's twitter, think before you post because that's your fucking job.
Fish: Obviously troubled young man. most likely suffering from some sort of social anxiety disorder. Can't handle criticism or stress. Lashes out at friends and critics alike. Possibly bi-polar.
Beer: Self-important games critic and sometimes-PR douche for industry companies. Stereotypical British "holier than thou" attitude. No obvious psychological conditions. Very big mouth.
One has mental issues, the other is just an asshole. I know where my sympathies lie.
Beer: Self-important games critic and sometimes-PR douche for industry companies. Stereotypical British "holier than thou" attitude. No obvious psychological conditions. Very big mouth.
One has mental issues, the other is just an asshole. I know where my sympathies lie.
Yeaahhh.....this whole thing is just a mess ain't it. Granted, I never actually cared about Phil Fish(Dat name) or his game, but that attitude is just not making want to play it. Ever. Also that Markus Beer guy, probably shouldnt have aimed his joke at an indie developer that was known for having outbursts on Twitter....Unless he intended too(Golly Gee, WE GOT A MYSTERY ON OUR HAND), which is still a dick move btw.
Might as well just keep on gaming guys. So what about those Japanese games that are supposed to come out?
Amen, random person in the internet that I agree with! Am-fucking-en!
Might as well just keep on gaming guys. So what about those Japanese games that are supposed to come out?
NiPah said:
Amen, random person in the internet that I agree with! Am-fucking-en!
The more I hear about this guy, the more I dislike him. So what if he developed Fez. Sure, it was an OK game, nothing to herald as the end-all-be-all of indie games, but that doesn't give him the right to act like a total bag of dicks. Seems like everything I see about Fez developers is nothing but complain, complain, complain. How about be less of an asshat, Phil Fish