Update: Fez Dev Tells Media Member To Kill Himself
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Is his depression incredibly accurate or did you mean to say acute? I am with you though, I would hope he wouldn't follow his own advice here.Andy of Comix Inc said:
OT: When you tend to overreact and do so publicly, why would you not expect rude comments designed to illicit such reactions? I can understand that he isn't the one starting it, and that being called out for his comment when nobody was calling out the ones who were "attacking" him, but this is effectively career suicide when you give in to these urges to respond like this. I hope he learns a valuable lesson from this experience, but somehow I doubt it.
Finally, you're the first person I saw to recognize it. I just spent 10 minutes looking for a video of Bender saying it, sadly this best of bender video doesn't have it.Ralfarius said:
OT: Having seen the guy's previous tweets he's beyond arrogant so this doesn't surprise me as much as when I first read it.
To be fair he did start it with that comment on japanese games, then when people tried to prove him wrong, he responded very harshly and disapropriate.Dogstile said:
Go watch that Jimquisition about Phil Fish, there's one on there where some guy says that hes talking smack about games yet hasn't released one(this was before FEZ was released) and he responds with "suck my dick. choke on it" because he won an award based off of his game.
EDIT: Found the tweet.
This _cannot_ be the reason Fez 2 is cancelled.
I mean, not that I care, but isn't polytron interactive independently published?
It's not like anyone important would care about this guy saying some shitty thing on twitter and cancel the partnership, right? Because that would be the real story, imo.
I mean, not that I care, but isn't polytron interactive independently published?
It's not like anyone important would care about this guy saying some shitty thing on twitter and cancel the partnership, right? Because that would be the real story, imo.
Having watched Indie Game The Movie, it is fairly clear that Fish is quite a troubled man. He's been placed (or perhaps, has placed himself) in a very stressful position and he doesn't cope with stress well. Fez was a brilliant game, and Fish is an amazing developer. He would do well to get someone else to do all his PR so he doesn't need to speak at or listen to all the bullshit he (undeservedly) receives. Beer has shown a very unprofessional attitude by getting personal in the first place. He had the gall to call for a boycott of coverage of games by Fish and Jonathan Blow because they neglect answering media questions. Sounds like another completely useless journalist - exactly what the industry doesn't need!
To talk of "career ending blunders" sounds a little too, ahem, hopeful on the part of the author?
Lashing out like this is surely not classy. Demanding an apology after lashing out suggests a lack of self-reflection that borders on mental illness. But he does have a point that it doesn't paint anyone in glory to suggest that their status as a "critic" or "satirist" renders them above criticism or blowback for their own comments, however badly Fish might have said so.
If the target of his ire wants to get outraged, he's welcome to it. I'm not interested in joining a torch-bearing mob over this one; the indignation seems badly misplaced.
Lashing out like this is surely not classy. Demanding an apology after lashing out suggests a lack of self-reflection that borders on mental illness. But he does have a point that it doesn't paint anyone in glory to suggest that their status as a "critic" or "satirist" renders them above criticism or blowback for their own comments, however badly Fish might have said so.
If the target of his ire wants to get outraged, he's welcome to it. I'm not interested in joining a torch-bearing mob over this one; the indignation seems badly misplaced.
Not going to defend Mr. Fishs comments, even though I think people are blowing it WAAAAAY out of proportion. Especially when one realizes that the latter part of his tweet was a Futurama reference and therefore a joke.
But this is the internet, after all. And the only sense of humor people have 'round here is one that involves either lol-cats or picking on people and being cruel. So...oh well.
Anyway, while I'm not defending Fishs tweet, I am going to agree with him and a few others in saying that Mr. Beer can fuck right off. His remarks towards Phil Fish and Johnathan Blow were unwarranted, needlessly confrontational, unceremoniously personal, and completely tasteless. The guy is a colossal prick and deserves as equal a level of ire and ridicule as Phil Fish is receiving.
Seriously....fuck Marcus Beer. What a twat.
But this is the internet, after all. And the only sense of humor people have 'round here is one that involves either lol-cats or picking on people and being cruel. So...oh well.
Anyway, while I'm not defending Fishs tweet, I am going to agree with him and a few others in saying that Mr. Beer can fuck right off. His remarks towards Phil Fish and Johnathan Blow were unwarranted, needlessly confrontational, unceremoniously personal, and completely tasteless. The guy is a colossal prick and deserves as equal a level of ire and ridicule as Phil Fish is receiving.
Seriously....fuck Marcus Beer. What a twat.
Again, throw this onto the list of why nobody should use Twitter.
You know, I can kind-of get why Phil Fish would be this upset. He wanted to make a calm, lively, and pretty puzzle game but ended up going through difficult legal hoops and near-constant criticism that still persists to this day. However, he REALLY needs to take some stress management classes. Not only was the first offense going onto the internet, but believing and justifying his statements about telling people to kill themselves was one of the worst things he could have done. I hope that Phil Fish will be able to get his head in a more stable place before he continues using Twitter again.
You know, I can kind-of get why Phil Fish would be this upset. He wanted to make a calm, lively, and pretty puzzle game but ended up going through difficult legal hoops and near-constant criticism that still persists to this day. However, he REALLY needs to take some stress management classes. Not only was the first offense going onto the internet, but believing and justifying his statements about telling people to kill themselves was one of the worst things he could have done. I hope that Phil Fish will be able to get his head in a more stable place before he continues using Twitter again.
If someone called me a tosspot I'd be pretty pissed off too. And in public? In front of an audience? Phil Fish was not only scrutinised, he was ridiculed and personally attacked verbally.
Of course, the article doesn't show that very well because the writer is clearly biased.
I'm not saying Phil Fish is a stand up guy, not even close. And maybe he did cross the line? But that line was crossed beforehand. He had ample motivation for what he said through no fault of his own as far as I can tell.
Of course, the article doesn't show that very well because the writer is clearly biased.
I'm not saying Phil Fish is a stand up guy, not even close. And maybe he did cross the line? But that line was crossed beforehand. He had ample motivation for what he said through no fault of his own as far as I can tell.
It's not so much a lack of humor as the reference being just obscure enough that people who aren't avid followers of the show wouldn't get it; I should know, I missed it myself.Vigormortis said:
And given the way the guy has reacted to other subjects in the past, it's not beyond reasonable to assume he meant something like that seriously.
This just in, Phil Fish acts like a total asshole, acts like he is above people, and then tries to justify his dickish behavior by claiming he is the victim.
Oh, it seems we have another breaking scoop. It turns out Oxygen exists.
I know Phil is in an industry where people are gonna say nasty things over the internet about him on a weirdly personal level over just a game, and I can sympathize with that to a degree. But guess what Philly-boy (dunno why I'm typing this as if he's going to read it...) You aren't special there. Anyone with even a modicum of fame is going to get their share of internet backlash just like you, in fact a lot of them probably get it way worse because you're mostly just known in gaming circles. Heck, I've been gaming my whole life and I probably wouldn't even know who Phil Fish was if he wasn't known for being such an asshole. Literally how I heard about him and his game was one of many articles where he insulted someone over some criticism.
Imagine if one of the Kardashians (Kim? Is one of them Kim? Lets go with Kim) told people to fuck off and kill themselves and then demand an apology every time someone said a negative thing about her? She wouldn't even have time to breathe or stare in one of her reality TV programs.
You put yourself in a position where you offer a product to the world, and guess what? That means you also opened yourself up to criticism of both the product and of yourself. If you can't handle that, maybe you should just try another career where it's illegal for people to criticize your work and your behavior.
I hear Mars needs someone to dust rocks. Maybe you could try that.
Oh, it seems we have another breaking scoop. It turns out Oxygen exists.
I know Phil is in an industry where people are gonna say nasty things over the internet about him on a weirdly personal level over just a game, and I can sympathize with that to a degree. But guess what Philly-boy (dunno why I'm typing this as if he's going to read it...) You aren't special there. Anyone with even a modicum of fame is going to get their share of internet backlash just like you, in fact a lot of them probably get it way worse because you're mostly just known in gaming circles. Heck, I've been gaming my whole life and I probably wouldn't even know who Phil Fish was if he wasn't known for being such an asshole. Literally how I heard about him and his game was one of many articles where he insulted someone over some criticism.
Imagine if one of the Kardashians (Kim? Is one of them Kim? Lets go with Kim) told people to fuck off and kill themselves and then demand an apology every time someone said a negative thing about her? She wouldn't even have time to breathe or stare in one of her reality TV programs.
You put yourself in a position where you offer a product to the world, and guess what? That means you also opened yourself up to criticism of both the product and of yourself. If you can't handle that, maybe you should just try another career where it's illegal for people to criticize your work and your behavior.
I hear Mars needs someone to dust rocks. Maybe you could try that.
What is it about Indie devs and turning out to be colossal twats?
Man, you're right, you really revolutionised the industry with your quirky puzzle platformer with retro-esque graphics and subversive undertones, I'm sure nobody else in the indie scene has even thought of doing such a thing.
Row row fight da powah ¬_¬
Man, you're right, you really revolutionised the industry with your quirky puzzle platformer with retro-esque graphics and subversive undertones, I'm sure nobody else in the indie scene has even thought of doing such a thing.
Row row fight da powah ¬_¬
You have to attempt to look at it from his prospective, which almost none of the posts I've read so far have tried to do (it's mostly people instinctively calling him a man-child or likewise, without much hesitation). Because of the success of Fez, I don't believe that Fish is really all that obligated to make more games if he doesn't want to. After all, he does't really need money from making games to get by anymore. So if he continues making Fez II it's purely out of want. He can easily go on and pursue other things.
So, if he finds himself getting verbally abused by the same people who plan to play his game and then has the gaming media take his words way out of context (like the comment he made about Japanese games being twisted to being a hate speech about Japanese culture as a whole) with the expressed purpose of making him look like a terrible person. Why the hell would he put himself through the stress of making a game (video game development is an extremely stressful job with or without people saying shit about you) if all you will get in return is news headline about how he's an asshole. having his public image being thrashed by people he doesn't know (and sure as hell really don't know him) without being able to do anything because if he retaliates, he only gets more flack.
If you had a job that you did not need to make ends meet and hated most of the people you worked with, wouldn't you quit?
If you had a girlfriend you hated and didn't really need her to be happy, wouldn't you just dump her?
It's not childish, it just makes sense, you'd be stupid not to.
If I was in his shoes, I would probably would do the same (minus the Futurama reference, solid as it was).
P.S. even though most famous developers (like most public figures) get shit thrown there way all the time, Phil (like Jon Blow) tends to have his public image be twisted to something that most likely doesn't resemble who he actually is in a very negative way more than others. People's ability to tolerate it varies. It's not like the quantity of the negativity is trivial.
So, if he finds himself getting verbally abused by the same people who plan to play his game and then has the gaming media take his words way out of context (like the comment he made about Japanese games being twisted to being a hate speech about Japanese culture as a whole) with the expressed purpose of making him look like a terrible person. Why the hell would he put himself through the stress of making a game (video game development is an extremely stressful job with or without people saying shit about you) if all you will get in return is news headline about how he's an asshole. having his public image being thrashed by people he doesn't know (and sure as hell really don't know him) without being able to do anything because if he retaliates, he only gets more flack.
If you had a job that you did not need to make ends meet and hated most of the people you worked with, wouldn't you quit?
If you had a girlfriend you hated and didn't really need her to be happy, wouldn't you just dump her?
It's not childish, it just makes sense, you'd be stupid not to.
If I was in his shoes, I would probably would do the same (minus the Futurama reference, solid as it was).
P.S. even though most famous developers (like most public figures) get shit thrown there way all the time, Phil (like Jon Blow) tends to have his public image be twisted to something that most likely doesn't resemble who he actually is in a very negative way more than others. People's ability to tolerate it varies. It's not like the quantity of the negativity is trivial.
WHOA! Are you telling me that being a douchebag will get you bitched at by other douchebags!? Who knew!?
I caught the reference, but that doesn't mean he didn't mean it (maybe he didn't. I dunno. But based on what I've seen of Phil Fish in the past, I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here) I use quotes from TV, Movies, and Comics to illustrate real points all the time. Just because you're using a reference doesn't automatically mean you're just being facetious.Benpasko said:
A few months ago a woman who said she loved me for three years broke my heart through a text message (didn't even apologize) and then about a month later called and asked me for a pretty big favor and acting like nothing happened. My response was a quote from Hellsing Ultimate Abridged.
"Here's what you do. Go down to the local pharmacy. Ask for something called viagra, and it'll help you GO FUCK YOURSELF!"
Sure it was an over-reaction on my part, and yeah, it was a quote, but I still meant every word of it.
A reference isn't always just a joke used in jest. Sometimes it's just the best way to say what you wanna say.
Never got to play Fez, too busy playing Japanese games and triple A games to have a chance.
Oh hey, he's said something stupid again, oh and he canceled a game he was making I was never going to play, truly an uneventful day overall.
On the other hand Tales of Xillia is coming out soon, can't wait to play the shit out of that.
Oh hey, he's said something stupid again, oh and he canceled a game he was making I was never going to play, truly an uneventful day overall.
On the other hand Tales of Xillia is coming out soon, can't wait to play the shit out of that.
Phil fish is an asshole on Twitter, in other news the sky is blue and Fox News is conservative. More at Eleven.