"Compare your life to mine and then kill yourself."
Its a god damn Bender from Futurama line! Chill out people!
Its a god damn Bender from Futurama line! Chill out people!
Update: Fez Dev Tells Media Member To Kill Himself
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I say good on him and fuck the police. The amount of shit this guy gets regularly is astounding. Some of it is deserved (anti-semitism) and the rest is unnecessary provocation. While I probably wouldn't recommend someone else kill themselves, let's be honest, neither did Fish. "Kill yourself" is a pretty mundane sentiment these days, especially when it comes from Futurama. This was understandable.
He then quit. As a "hipster," I'm sure he appreciates the "irony."
"quotes!"
You know what? I wouldn't be in this situation. I can be a bit of a dick sometimes, but Phil Fish is a dick on a whole 'nother level. And he lacks the self-awareness to understand WHY he attracts this sort of drama. Probably because he emits drama like most people exhale CO2.
Anyone else noticing a pattern here? People who say stupid things are the ones who have a rough time on Twitter?
He apparently suffers from depression, which I've now learned (from others' reactions to this story) is apparently free reign to be a douche. So if I offend anyone with this post, keep in mind I suffer from depression[footnote]This is not a joke or a misrepresentation, before anyone accuses me of being tasteless. I have been diagnosed with severe depression and have struggled with it for over a decade now. I understand what people with depressive disorders go through; I merely disagree with the notion that it's free reign to act like a childish asshole[/footnote].Ishal said:
Especially since it was the start of his problem, too.Ghonzor said:
Depends. He reminds me of guys in high school that used to pick fights and complain when they got their asses kicked. This seems like a verbal case--dude talks shit frequently, then someone ridicules him and he's all "I'M QUITTING THE INDUSTRY 4EVER!!!!!!!!!" and "KILL YOURSELF!"Senare said:
Whether or not I hold it against someone to "lash out" if they're being attacked depends greatly on the context. someone known for being a blowhard and a jerk in the first place isn't going to get my sympathy like someone who's being dogged for no good reason or someone having a bad day. Emphasis on a. When someone fairly routinely acts like an out-of-control-child, I don't feel bad for them.
I expect no moral high ground from Phil Fish. But nor do I offer him sympathy for hostility he's been breeding since he arrived on the scene.
Well, Marcus Beer doesn't really mince his words and I respect him for that, but I could see how overly sensitive types like Fish could take offense to being called names by a journalist.
The problem is I can't defend Fish either, as even the most crippling bout of depression ever to be imagined wouldn't give you licence to act like a dick in a public space. Like it or not, Twitter is *very much* a public space.
I just think it's sad, really. One of the best designers in recent years has the petulance and thickness of skin of a five year-old. I'd stack that with when I learned that Doug TenNapel was a severely convinced right-winger. Politics aside, that disappointed me. I grew up on Earthworm Jim and I absolutely freaking loved his "Ratfist" comic.
The problem is I can't defend Fish either, as even the most crippling bout of depression ever to be imagined wouldn't give you licence to act like a dick in a public space. Like it or not, Twitter is *very much* a public space.
I just think it's sad, really. One of the best designers in recent years has the petulance and thickness of skin of a five year-old. I'd stack that with when I learned that Doug TenNapel was a severely convinced right-winger. Politics aside, that disappointed me. I grew up on Earthworm Jim and I absolutely freaking loved his "Ratfist" comic.
When under stress, remember there are two words you can use that get the point across and are pretty uncontroversial: "Fuck Off". Bam! Sure you'll take a bit of heat; but it's a pretty baseline response.
Two working brain cells and a knowledge of a show that's been cancelled more than once, that is.Necrofudge said:
Two working brain cells, a knowledge of a show that's been canceled more than once, and the ability to completely ignore the context of his tirade, actually.
Also, I'm not sure "Kill yourself" is taken as a "death threat," but maybe that's because I'm not trying to make excuses for a man on a histrionic rampage. I mean, you're arguing against something that (far as I can tell) literally nobody here is saying.
More to the point, the fact that you're quoting someone doesn't mean something isn't sincere. This goes back to the "context" thing.
You mean "why did nobody react the same to a comedy show as to a man known for some serious and hateful tirades directed at a real person?"Orange Lazarus said:
Why is this question even being asked?
Fuck Marcus Beer, fuck this clickbait headline, and fuck Gamers for celebrating the fact that someone was so jaded by our shitty awful community that it made him quit.
I give him credit for sticking it out this long though, since being under constant scrutiny from the gaming community of all places would drive me fucking insane.
I give him credit for sticking it out this long though, since being under constant scrutiny from the gaming community of all places would drive me fucking insane.
I dunno, normal people just don't say stuff like that. When all is said and done, all I can really feel is sorry for Fish, he seriously is not a people person. An ass, yes, but I look on him like you look at that kid at school who tries to make fun of others but only ends up looking more pathetic himself. With a talent for video games.
Personally I think he needs a big hug, and then his twitter permanently removed.
Personally I think he needs a big hug, and then his twitter permanently removed.
See I hate this crap, if I were to lash out at my job about someone angry about my work because someone else(or him) screwed up setting it up(Or didn't read the help guide we made to use it) I would get fired (And yes this crap does happen). He lashes out and people think he is in the right, screw that. He is a professional and needs to act like it.
The clickbait headline is a very valid point, no doubt it adds fuel to the fire to boot. Third time in very recent history that I've really disliked and/or disagreed with an Escapist article that is very reminiscent of red top rags that plague the UK.Dr Pussymagnet said:
I'm going to go with the problem is not Marcus Beer or our otherwise godawful community. Somewhere somehow someone failed to teach Mr. Fish and many of his peers that there is the voice inside your head, and there is the voice you use in public. And the internet does not get to use the one from inside your head. Appearence counts. Speech counts. Professionalism counts. I don't care how good a game developer you are. Being a good game developer who keeps the voices inside ones head, INSIDE ONES HEAD, makes you an even better game developer. I've been a gamer for almost 40 years now. I have seen followed and listened to a lot of devs. The absolute best of them always carry and present themselves with an amazing degree of professionalism, and respect for others and the world in general. Can anyone here even imagine someone like Sid Meier suggesting that a fan or journalist go kill himself? Raph Koester? Shigeru Miyamoto? (Well ok if he did it would be in a very hard to decypher haiku.) Gabe Newell? Richard Gariott? Some may be sane, some may be completely bonkers. Some may be great guys, some may be total assholes. But they all at least understand the basic rules of how to present yourself to the public, to their customers and to the general world. And their products and their fans are far far the better for it.
Quite frankly somebody simply needs to teach Fez boy some manners for real. (and no I don't mean an ass kicking. I mean really teach him what manners and impulse control are.) He's a spoiled child at best and mentally unhinged at worst.
Quite frankly somebody simply needs to teach Fez boy some manners for real. (and no I don't mean an ass kicking. I mean really teach him what manners and impulse control are.) He's a spoiled child at best and mentally unhinged at worst.
I guess I'm the only one who has no problem with this. I've done that to people too. Go kill yourself is the same as go fuck yourself. If anyone can't handle that then they need thicker skin.
I agree with Fish... if you're gonna dish it out then expect it back 10 fold.
I agree with Fish... if you're gonna dish it out then expect it back 10 fold.
And fuck Phil for being a hateful, arrogant, self important, little asshole. The industry doesn't need someone who responds to criticism with "eat a dick and choke on it".Dr Pussymagnet said:
OT: This made my day. phil fish ragequitting the industry is wonderful news. Now if Blow can just follow suit the two most toxic, arrogant blowhards in the industry will be gone. BTW, a word to Mr. Fish:
You mean like every other game developor/producer on the planet? When ever you make content and put it on the internet, your going to be microscoped and dissected which will make two camps. People who like your work and people that don't. Fish couldn't handle this what so ever, constantly throwing tantrums like a child. What I find hilarious about the whole damn thing is ever since his game came out, he acted like hot shit. Beer had every right to call him out, sure he could of been more tactful but it is what it is.Dr Pussymagnet said:Fuck Marcus Beer, fuck this clickbait headline, and fuck Gamers for celebrating the fact that someone was so jaded by our shitty awful community that it made him quit.
I give him credit for sticking it out this long though, since being under constant scrutiny from the gaming community of all places would drive me fucking insane.
However, Throwing a fit, fake-canceling a game along with the rest of his tirade is not excusable. Being Bi-polar is not an excuse. Fish is no victim here as there is none, it was a "Dick" calling out a "Dick" and instead of dealing with it privately, decided it to share it with everyone.
Exactly, it seems like Fish is just sick and tired of being unjustifiably attacked from all sides and when he reacts to it, everyone else in turn reacts by attacking him some more. It doesn't make any fucking sense.Dr Pussymagnet said:Fuck Marcus Beer, fuck this clickbait headline, and fuck Gamers for celebrating the fact that someone was so jaded by our shitty awful community that it made him quit.
I give him credit for sticking it out this long though, since being under constant scrutiny from the gaming community of all places would drive me fucking insane.
I heard worse things said about Phil Fish than said by Phil Fish and at a much larger scale.
From his perspective, the only way to make it stop is to get out of video games. Honestly, considering that he is a bit on the unstable side (according to not only the things he's said/done but comments from his fellow indie developers, namely Edmond McMillan and Tommy Refenes from Team Meat who know him very well) I wouldn't put past him if decided just to end it and actually kill himself. What then? Earlier in this post some said that if that happened, nothing of value would be lost. Which I find way more bothersome than Fish quoting a line from Futurama.
If that were to happen I think people would be singing a different tune.
Damn dude............a TF2 vid..............damn talk about Owned.........you really Owned that philfish dude hard......Damn...major_chaos said:
Also thanks for helping prove my point.